but he is not an attacking midfielder. He is a striker albeit more commonly a No10.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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the real question is what runners?
Hence why he has little horizontal movement (i.e. moving out wide into the channels). His movement behind the striker is mainly vertical i.e. drop deep and go forward within the central areas. Rarely does he drift out wide.
The player behind Rooney and those out wide. However, in a rigid setup, Rooney would often pass the ball out wide and run into the box for a cross.
That said, I do remember some good moments between Berbatov, Rooney, Valencia, and Nani during the 2009/10 season. Rooney was excellent at dragging opposition defenders around, and the likes of Berbatov, Valencia, and Nani would make the most of them.
The issue isn't that he moves out of position, it is how he does it and more importantly his inability to move back in to position. A natural AM already knows the pass is coming when he starts moving out to the pocket of space. When they make the move wide, the play will nearly always be there with few exceptions.
If they don't receive the ball because the team chooses another route, they run faster to get back in centrally than they did to move out to the pocket.
This means they are nearly always involved in the game, whether the team plays on the left, right or central.
Rooney usually makes runs more like a striker would, much less smooth and calculated and more opportunistic. If he gets the ball it is usually a clear-cut chance, but Rooney doesn't really take in to account how hard and likely the pass will be. The natural AM's considers how high percentage the pass will be for his team mate to decide if he should initiate it or not.
It is different roles, Mata/Kagawa can't play Rooney's role and he can't play theirs. It is just unfortunate for Rooney that our team lacks cohesion, fluidity and have a weak central midfield - the exact reasons why you play a playmaker instead of a 2nd striker.
In another team Rooney may have been exactly what was needed and Mata would get the wrong side of the stick.
It seems as if you've described Rooney under Moyes. This is exactly how he's played under Moyes, and I'd definitely agree that Rooney's movement wasn't that good under Moyes given how difficult it was for midfielders to pass to him.However, under Sir Alex, he played somewhat differently when played with a forward partner.
Under Sir Alex, when our midfielders had possession in midfield, Rooney normally dropped back into to link play, move the ball forward, and free up his strike partner. Then, once the ball has moved forward, he would get into goalscoring positions and get into the end of a final pass.
Whenever Rooney plays up front as the main striker, though, his movement is more restricted and not as free as it would be when he's with a forward partner.
I know you've been on an anti Rooney crusade since you signed up and that's ok, but what exactly is disrespectful about him saying he's not interested in Scholes's comments and is only interested in his current managers?
At the end of the day Scholes is now a blogger for PaddyPower. He doesn't have to say Yes Sir Mr Scholes just because he used to play for United
Wilshere called up Scholes, Rooney doesnt care? Difference in reaction there is interesting. One player thinks he has nothing to learn the other does.
Scholes was still a united player last season wasnt he? So what is Rooney talking about that he has been around for a long time. And even then Scholes was coach in the last 2 months too.
Scholes was still a united player last season wasnt he? So what is Rooney talking about that he has been around for a long time. And even then Scholes was coach in the last 2 months too.
Rooney was supposed to call him and ask him how can he not be over the hill?
A simple "Scholes has his opinion and I respect that/him, but as far as I am concerned I am now totally focused on the WC" would have been more than enough, instead of having a dig at Scholes. Plus Scholes doesn't need to be 2 metres next to him in order to be able to pass a judgement.
Oh Rooney, he will be in proper trouble under LvG if he doesn't learn very quickly to deal with criticism.
Oh Rooney, he will be in proper trouble under LvG if he doesn't learn very quickly to deal with criticism.
Source please.
This. Will be a rude awakening after The Moyes Cuddle.
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the moyes cuddle sounds like a sex position where nothing works as it should, it's over far too soon and everyone is left disappointed
Not from last season. That's currently the most direct comparison. You're talking about a season that was 4 years ago. Lot can change in that space of time
So now he tells the media that he can play wherever on his pitch, and that he has proven that in the past - it's not about him but about the team. What a retarded comment considering his disagreement with Ferguson for playing him "out of position". That's Wayne in a nutshell for me; says that he plays for the team, but once things go against him, it's all about him again.
Says he wants us to sign top players in 2010. We sign RVP and he cries like a baby.
Would it kill Wayne Rooney to acknowledge that - at times - he has underperformed/not played well? He seems like one of the most sensitive footballers we have... which is hardly good for constructive criticism (though I suppose there is an argument as to whether or not Scholes' criticism was constructive...)
History repeats itself. When he isn't in the spotlight, he goes sour. I geniunly think he's bad for the club. There's too much focus on one player, and that one player isn't even that good, which means that the focus isn't necessarily on his game. With Suarez, there will always be the argument that he's a cnut, but at least he is brilliant on the pitch, so you have a two way street. With Rooney, when he acts a cnut, it is usually accompanied with mediocre football. When he's happy, he plays well, but no longer world class.
True that, has Rooney ever admitted to playing below average? Most players can say they are disappointed with their play, but Rooney still says that there was nothing wrong with his game in Ferguson's last season, which is ridiculous!
Would it kill you guys to not really care about all that other crap?
... I don't understand what you're saying? I'm not meant to care about Wayne Rooney's form/performances? Or what he or Paul Scholes have to say?
We should probably close the forum in that case.
@Rossa I know many will disagree but still feel awarding him that new contract may turn out to be a mistake. Hopefully LVG can find a role for him to thrive in though.
Comments like these will just put more pressure on Rooney and we already know he plays shite when the pressure is on.
Seriously, players should always show willingness to learn and improve, but if you are prepared to dismiss criticism, then at least you have to show Messi or Ronaldo level performances, otherwise it just looks ridiculous.
Now with comments like these I care even less how he performs for England! Enjoy your short WC trip with Woy, Wayne!
Seriously, players should always show willingness to learn and improve, but if you are prepared to dismiss criticism, then at least you have to show Messi or Ronaldo level performances, otherwise it just looks ridiculous.
Now with comments like these I care even less how he performs for England! Enjoy your short WC trip with Woy, Wayne!
The constant moaning about form and performances. I mean he says one thing here and everyone leaps on him about it. Basically 'keep doing what your good at Scholes and stay quiet' and everyone has a bit hissy fit over it like they know the ins and outs of the player in relation to his peers/staff.
It's silly.
I'm looking forward to the fireworks when LVG is here. I wonder how long it is before Stretford starts leaking stories...
So Scholes was wrong to say what he said then? Or you don't agree with what he said?
It's silly to expect people to NOT talk about this - considering it directly involves two Manchester United players. Again, what do you think this forum is for?
True.
To be honest though, if what Rooney said is a dig at Scholes then what Scholes said was an even bigger dig/swipe at Rooney at a time when in honesty he didn't need it (going into a world cup)
Scholes can say whatever he likes, Rooney is then entitled to say 'yeah thats nice mate, thanks'. By all means talk about it, but don't talk as if you know whats going on ie. "Fireworks with LVG", "stretford ganna leak dem storiez", "what a sensitive footballer the most sensitive we have". I mean grown men.. Come on. Put away the newspaper and get some fresh air.
They write this inflammatory shit just so the gimps in this thread can mash their fingers on the keyboard in outrage a few times a day.
Err... have a listen to yourself mate.
How is this "inflammatory shit"? Rooney has long wanted to be the "big dog" at United. He practically demands it. Yet it's too much to ask for Rooney not to have a whinge every time someone says anything bad about him. You never saw Scholes have a whinge, nor Giggs either if the press said anything.
And you don't think there's going to be fireworks with LVG? Or that Stretford will start leaking stories against United/LVG when things inevitably turn pear-shaped, like he did when they wanted to put pressure on Fergie?
Right, and where did I say any of those things? Or even allude to any of those things?
I agree with you, and I know a lot of others do to. Rooney certain divides opinions though, so there are many who disagree with us - a lot of people say that was one of the few good things Moyes did. I think it was one of the bad ones.
He does come off as either a little arrogant or a little thick, doesn't he? As if he doesn't quite know how to answer in a respectful and intelligent manner. I don't have a Times subscription, but there's an article in September 2013 where he blames his poor form for the 12/13 season on Ferguson. Nothing is ever his fault, is it?
I think scholes of recent is talking too much. I said a while back that the class of 92 were too vocal. If they want to do united a favor, keep quite.
I might be wrong but didn't Ferguson say Rooney hated change? he'd always revert back to old ways rather than adapt and learn. Andy Mitten wrote an article on Kagawa and he mentioned Rooney was against the signing.
Ah yes, because implying that one of our best players needs to up his game/perform at the World Cup if he wants to prove himself as one of the worlds best is of terrible detriment to United...
Same. I think some just saw the Rooney contract as a positive for Moyes which is fair. They didnt like all the negativity towards him and so the Rooney contract seemed to suffice as a good reason to say "moysie aint doing that bad"
you still have a link to the article? I dont have a times subscription either but Mel showed me how to get around the "full access" block thingy for the Times column during the week. Not sure if there is one for the Sunday Times.
yes you're right on that. Rio and Rooney were the two players Mitten said didn want kagawa to come.
he can tell him in private. No need to tell the whole world. you dont wash your dirty linen in public.
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