He had a lot more to his game back then than 'base productivity', isolated numbers like that are about as meaningful as YouTube videos when using them to justify who's better than who.
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He had a lot more to his game back then than 'base productivity', isolated numbers like that are about as meaningful as YouTube videos when using them to justify who's better than who.
And as I said, I reckon many of the memories of his 'game back then' are based on 1) Highlight reels, which omit all the humdrum stuff and 2) The fact it was more superficially exciting, but actually less effective.
If you classify 'effective' as goals/assists per 90 mins, yeah of course, but there's lots of other stuff going on in a game of football don't you know
Rooney, the good boy.
http://talksport.com/football/van-g...eash-claims-dutch-football-expert-14051891740
I'm sure this won't make good reading for Wayne.
Just a small segment from the interview.
Sounds like Fergie
So you'd rather they fecked the club over constantly all in the name of money?
Not really.
I just don't see him as an asshole if he wants to leave for whatever reason. Gonne are the times of loyalty, exec aren't, players' aren't either, nor fans are.
I just don't see him as an asshole if he wants to leave for whatever reason. Gonne are the times of loyalty, exec aren't, players' aren't either, nor fans are.
Rooney plays for the top team in England so of course he will have more opportunities to score and provide assists than players for less dominant teams.
Place any good player in his position and they will perform equally if not better.
Over the years he has been surrounded by top players that were performing well.
The one year that he was not he was unable to carry us. If he was truly a great player he would have picked up the slack or inspired those around him to at least ensure we maintained a top 4 position.
Yes Moyes' tactics were poor but we were still a champion team with relatively few injuries.
Moyes' biggest blunder was centering the team around a good but not great Rooney.
Place any good player in his position and they will perform equally if not better.
Over the years he has been surrounded by top players that were performing well.
The one year that he was not he was unable to carry us. If he was truly a great player he would have picked up the slack or inspired those around him to at least ensure we maintained a top 4 position.
Yes Moyes' tactics were poor but we were still a champion team with relatively few injuries.
Moyes' biggest blunder was centering the team around a good but not great Rooney.
You could argue that we were not the best team when Tevez and Ronaldo left. Rooney helped us attain top four several times playing with average players. The difference this last year, was not the team (that strengthened) but the manager.
Nice.
Very good.
Ok I withdraw the " or better ". However, a different good player may stay in position more often.Very good.
We were severely weakened, but Fletcher was still playing well, Valencia wasn't shit, Nani was performing at a high level, Carrick was in or around his prime, we still had VDS, Vidic and Rio performing at a very high level. Not to mention Evra was the best LB in Europe then.
We still had plenty of quality.
Yeah. We really just lacked a top 10, and unlike most top teams, we could really have accomodated one. If we'd signed one with some of the Ronaldo money immediately upon selling him, such as Ozil, Fabregas, Sneijder this team would have been tough to beat:
--------Rooney-------
Nani----Ozil-----Valencia
---Fletcher-Carrick--
Evra-Vidic-Rio-Rafael
That's a nice team that could play well on the counter or impose themselves in games. Not perfect, but real interesting.
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Jesus christ.
.........yeah.......it sounded funnier in my head.
68 pounds is a bit much!
Anyone else think his days as United's (and England's) #10 should be numbered? Mata is so much better there, it's not even funny anymore.
He also doesn't need a few games or a few weeks to get up to speed either.
He also doesn't need a few games or a few weeks to get up to speed either.
England are in serious trouble if Wayne Rooney is their star player. 
How uninspiring and sluggish is his play.
How uninspiring and sluggish is his play.
I genuinely think he should be dropped and Barkley should be playing instead.
I think what Paul Scholes recently said about him is bang on the money. This Rooney is no way near the Rooney of old! He should be in his peak years now and be playing his best football.
I'm just glad we have a manager again that has the balls to drop him. He can be one of the best in the country at times but nowadays unfortuantely it's more often than not that he just under performs.
To think this time last year we were concerned that selling him to Chelsea would give them enough to win the league and put us out of the running. If we knew how things would have played out in terms of our respective league finishes (especially with the rumours of Mata being offered in exchange, which seems even more believable with Luiz also out of the door), are we mugs for not taking them up on it?
To think this time last year we were concerned that selling him to Chelsea would give them enough to win the league and put us out of the running. If we knew how things would have played out in terms of our respective league finishes (especially with the rumours of Mata being offered in exchange, which seems even more believable with Luiz also out of the door), are we mugs for not taking them up on it?
I think Chelsea would definitely win the League, Rooney is easily head and shoulders better than all of their strikers, combined and multiplied by two even. And given season RVP had we would have been even worse.
They would be 1st and we would be 10th. It would be even more disastrous.
Looks badly out of shape (what else is new).
He was generally okay today, very raw, need match fitness, some heavy touches and some great one time passes. The way he released Baines in first time was just great. All in all dedicated performance.
The contract we gave him will prove to be an absolutely ridiculous decision. Should've sold him when we could and bought in someone younger and fresher.
Chelsea winning it would have been much more desirable then City winning it, and the difference between 7th an 10th place in the league is negligible considering United are out of the top 4.
First game in a month, hopefully get his sharpness back before the WC starts.
Or better yet, Premier League.
He did look horrid but as many have stated it was his first game back. How many more friendlies are there?
Still a very good player but I think I'd agree with the notion that he's past his peak.
He certainly shouldn't have a guaranteed place in either the England or United teams any more, he's not someone you can actually depend on to lift and inspire your team (though obviously he is still capable of that level on occasion). He's also far better as a striker than a number 10, which is a bit of a problem when that's the position he's likely to be played in...
As for the contract we gave him, obviously there's no way he's worth that lucrative a deal in playing terms but considering the questions that were hanging over the club when we agreed to it....
To be honest I don't care how much he's on as long as a) he is fully committed to the club and b) it doesn't mean we can't drop or sell him if LVG thinks it's the right move.
Would selling him to Chelsea have been a smart move? Obviously not in the short term, we'd have struggled far more without him. In the long term? Impossible to answer atm as we don't know how LVG plans to use him. He's obviously still a very good player but he certainly isn't irreplaceable anymore, so if he doesn't fit into LVG's plans as well as another player might...
He certainly shouldn't have a guaranteed place in either the England or United teams any more, he's not someone you can actually depend on to lift and inspire your team (though obviously he is still capable of that level on occasion). He's also far better as a striker than a number 10, which is a bit of a problem when that's the position he's likely to be played in...
As for the contract we gave him, obviously there's no way he's worth that lucrative a deal in playing terms but considering the questions that were hanging over the club when we agreed to it....
To be honest I don't care how much he's on as long as a) he is fully committed to the club and b) it doesn't mean we can't drop or sell him if LVG thinks it's the right move.
Would selling him to Chelsea have been a smart move? Obviously not in the short term, we'd have struggled far more without him. In the long term? Impossible to answer atm as we don't know how LVG plans to use him. He's obviously still a very good player but he certainly isn't irreplaceable anymore, so if he doesn't fit into LVG's plans as well as another player might...
Whilst I completely agree - why did you guys give him such a massive contract recently?
Cheers.
Hopefully he's fit and flying buy then. Lethargic post-national tournament Rooney's are the worst.
To award his massive contributions.
My guess is as good as yours.
Well, I hope it's so we can recoup more money off him when we sell him off to PSG or someone for £££ rather than be forced to sell him on the cheap due to his contract running out.
My England team:
--Sterling----Sturridge-----Ox--
-------Henderson-----wilshere-----
-----------------Gerrard-------------
Yup, drop Wayne Rooney. Can't see another option. He needs to earn his start for England. He's simply not good enough atm. His season was worse than sterling and Sturridge, and Ox is more exciting than him. Play Rooney off the bench perhaps.
--Sterling----Sturridge-----Ox--
-------Henderson-----wilshere-----
-----------------Gerrard-------------
Yup, drop Wayne Rooney. Can't see another option. He needs to earn his start for England. He's simply not good enough atm. His season was worse than sterling and Sturridge, and Ox is more exciting than him. Play Rooney off the bench perhaps.
Interesting stat:
Rooney's record for England in World Cup years:
21 apps, 2 goals
Non-World Cup Years:
69 apps, 36 goals
He never hits form at the right time. Hopefully he can change this in the next few weeks
Rooney's record for England in World Cup years:
21 apps, 2 goals
Non-World Cup Years:
69 apps, 36 goals
He never hits form at the right time. Hopefully he can change this in the next few weeks
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