Rooney's carried us to 7th 
Oh we are lucky to have him aren't we.
Oh we are lucky to have him aren't we.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I agree with most of what you said. If Rooney is our main man I do not expect to win anything. We need a better, more skillful player to lead us but that being said Rooney can be an important piece in the puzzle. Jordan-Pippen? How about Batman-Robin?
Rooney had a good first few months, certainly. Since he signed his contract he's been distinctly underwhelming, however.
Rooney's carried us to 7th
Oh we are lucky to have him aren't we.
But he was only great in the first half of the season tbf. If it was the whole season, he might've carried us to 5th.
Any news on his fitness today?
He should have been sold had it not been for the ass licking by david moyes. Fergie's mostly right when he decides its time for these big players to leave and he would have been right again.
Who the hell are Jordan and pippen?
RVP is our best player followed by Mata, and considering last season, I would say that RVP is probably our most important player. Go further back, and I would say that VDS and Vidic were more important than Rooney. Currently, I would say that DDG is more important. Rooney is much, much too inconsistent to be considered either our best player or our most important player. An important player is someone who consistently elevates the team. At his worst, which is much too frequent, Rooney impairs our play drastically. Consider Rooney carrying our team this season to RVP carrying our team last season...
You are right too.
Cheers
Michael Jordan and Scottie Peppen. NBA.
Right. I will tell you why a lot of these things are off.
Transfermarkt (great site I love it). Does not use the same system of assists as the premier league uses. If you have a look around for the season you will see that Suarez has around 10 more assists than he does on most other stats sites. This is not 'wrong' so much as it's different, they simply have a broader definition of assists than we do.
If you want to reproduce the statistics they are generating then I am fairly sure who scored.com uses the same database. Now a lot of these players may have been bumped up more than Rooney by this different accounting of assists, which Rooney didn't get any 'extra' assists from. (although Rooney has benefited a lot from the different method this season). Your actual calculations are bang on btw.
When I made a list of scoring contribution before, I used the same database as the guy I quoted to make sure that things were matching up correctly. The transfrmarket stats might have benefitted rooney (not versus suarez though). This is also a problem when comparing modern player stats to stats as little as five years old, the way assists have been counted has changed, so there's no point comparing Gerrard's assists with most of Scholes' career for example. (Btw. Scholes wins on the goal per minute metric and one penalty goals are taken out, it widens the gap considerably).
This of course opens the question "what is the best definiton on an assist" which is a fair one, I might post a thread asking what people think.
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Exhibit A of anti-Rooney hyperbole.
What about in 2011/12, when Rooney carried us to within a whisker of the title by scoring 27 league goals? This against a City side that was 11 points better than the one we saw in 2012/13.
I could also point out that in 2012/13, RvP had a quality player like Rooney backing him up. Who did Rooney have backing him up in 2011/12? Danny Welbeck, Chicarito, Young and Park? Not really in the same league, are they?
I could point out that in the second half of 2010/11, it was largely Rooney's form that helped fire us to our 19th title and 5th Champions League final. The hat-trick against West Ham, the overhead volley against City, the goals away to Chelsea and Schalke . . .
That in 2009/10, he was once again our main man, and there's good reason to believe we would have won the league if he hadn't got injured in that Bayern game, given the scintillating form he was in at the time.
As the StatsBomb article points out, 'inconsistent' Rooney has actually been remarkably consistent over the last 5 years, in terms of the number of goals he contributes to. Some bad games, yes, but he has won us far more points than he's lost us.
If you had read any of my posts about Rooney, I have agreed time and time again that even when he plays a bit crap, or a lot crap, he has a tendency to score a goal or make an assist. In those matches, he still impairs our game greatly, and I think that we would benefit from a manager having the balls to substitute him when he's playing crap, something Moyes seemed inept at.
So yes, his stats are very good. I also agree that he has been pivotal to our success some seasons, but he was a better player back then than he is now.
That is not an anti-Rooney hyperbole - although the phrase is cool. It's about realizing that he isn't indispensable, or do you disagree that RVP was better last season than any season Rooney has had? Last season, Rooney was awful btw, so not sure how that helps your argument
Wow, just wow.
It's like Moyes' never existed. It's feck all to do with who's 'carrying the team', but if anyone's carrying the team its DDG, he's been phenomenal. I'm not blaming DDG for 7th place because I don't have some stupid bias against him. A team with just Welbeck and Chicharito would do better under SAF than 7th place.
That is not an anti-Rooney hyperbole - although the phrase is cool. It's about realizing that he isn't indispensable, or do you disagree that RVP was better last season than any season Rooney has had? Last season, Rooney was awful btw, so not sure how that helps your argument
I think the season Rooney had in 2009/10 was every bit as good as what RvP did last season, if not better. He destroyed A.C. Milan over two legs in the CL, scored away to Bayern, scored the winner Vs City in the League Cup semi-final, the winner in the final, destroyed Arsenal at the Emirates . . .
He then got that injury against Bayern, meaning he missed what were essentially title deciding games against Chelsea at home and Blackburn away, in which we dropped 5 points. We'd only have needed to win one of those games to have been named champions.
Given Rooney had scored 19 goals in the preceding 15 games, it's safe to say our chances of winning one of them would have been greatly increased if he was available.
I don't think he was 'awful' last season either, by the way. Two goals away to City, winners against West Ham, Fulham and Reading, numerous assists, and so on. He played second fiddle to RvP undoubtedly, but contributed more than some people care to remember or will admit.
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Premier League (5): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Community Shield (3): 2007, 2010, 2011,
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
That's a good medal haul. No complaints, he's done his job and thats winning trophies with manchester united. He's never not been a first team player for all of these, our talismatic player for a lot of them. We've been poor this year, but that doesn't mean only our best player takes responsibility for that? What kind of logic is that. No one is criticising DDG for still doing the business and leading the way when the whole team is poor because that's just retarded. "Omg David carrying us down 7th place, he's so bad!"
Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Community Shield (3): 2007, 2010, 2011,
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
That's a good medal haul. No complaints, he's done his job and thats winning trophies with manchester united. He's never not been a first team player for all of these, our talismatic player for a lot of them. We've been poor this year, but that doesn't mean only our best player takes responsibility for that? What kind of logic is that. No one is criticising DDG for still doing the business and leading the way when the whole team is poor because that's just retarded. "Omg David carrying us down 7th place, he's so bad!"
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That was 4 years ago, Rooney is not the same player anymore. IMO, he has declined since then. The last time he was truly outstanding was in the first months of 11/12 season. After that he has been from average to very good but nothing special really. The quality of his performances in the first half of this season has been exaggerated by his fans. In how many games was he world class? I'd say in 4-5 games at best: both games vs Leverkusen, Hull away, Spurs away ( at a push)...Besides, the stats don't tell the truth about the quality of his performances. I remember a game vs Villa two seasons ago when Rooney scored 2 goals but Fergie substituted him because Rooney was really crap in the second half. Statistically seen, he had a great game. In fact, he was quite poor.
... All comes down to 'us versus them'.
'His deluded fans' and us logical people or us 'logical people and the haters'.
I forget we support the same club at times.
However besides this, its the best negative opinion I've read today. The most honest.
I remember the game in question. Didn't Fergie say afterwards that Rooney needs to be playing on the edge, and when a game is essentially dead and buried in United's favour, he can get sloppy? Okay, it's a legitimate criticism I suppose. But then you could say the reason he was able to cruise in the first place is because he'd already helped put the game beyond Villa via two goals. And goals are pretty important, even if the all around performance accompanying them left something to be desired.
Neither blocked the cross that led to goal, neither closed down Larrson, arrogant prick!
He's been like the invisible man so far. Needs to be benched for Hernandez.
'Sorry Wazza, but you're just not good enough to play for United anymore . . . '.
On my way to bump Fellaini thread making retarded comments.
My fecking word.
Wondering if you were as funny when he played like utter pile of shit against Bayern or Everton.
My fecking word.
Wondering if you were as funny when he played like utter pile of shit against Bayern or Everton.
Say what you like about Rooney...no, really, go on.
If he was playing and we lost you'd be straight on this thread.
Meh. His critics are constantly making shitty, knee jerk, ill informed posts in response to his supposed bad games. So maybe you can forgive his fans for having a little nibble back every now and then . . .
No, actually last time I jumped into this thread was somewhat midweek because I couldn't stand the utter drivel that was being spouted here about him being second coming of Jesus Christ. I'm not obsessed with jumping into his thread claiming that he's shit every time he has a shit game. I, however, knew that this thread would be bumped after this match.
You're right actually, I apologize. You guys should have your time now.
The Kagawa thread also got bumped too. That's the most common one to get a lot of hits after a loss without him in the side. To be fair I just posted asking why he didn't play either.
Think it was bumped because nobody knows why he's missing, whereas we know that Rooney's injured.
Edit: just noticed that you posted there asking that question
Well Kagawa hasn't been injured this season so I presume this is always the case. I could go through and pull up all the posts saying 'we would have won if he started' but I'm not going to. I am curious why he was missing myself though.
Wonder why he took Nani off so early in the second half?
Who, Rooney?
If Rooney was manager he would have played himself... in crutches.
Who else?
He's in complete charge at the club, can't wait to see who'll he pick as new manager!
Who else?
He's in complete charge at the club, can't wait to see who'll he pick as new manager!
Probably himself.
He'd sign Ronaldo.
Probably himself.
Does anybody else have a feeling we might sell him this summer?
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