Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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If that is true in any way then he can get fecked quite frankly. He used Moyes' weakness to grab himself a fat new contract, but Van Gaal won't be manipulated and he knows it.

Wayne Rooney is used to getting his own way with Manchester United. When he doesn't he turns into a bit of a mardy arse and plays like one. I for one will be interested to see how he gets on. I don't expect any surprises.
 
SolidState said:
Whether Van Gaal wants to or can work with Rooney is not down to him, Hes here for another 4 years unless someone comes in with stupid money in the region of 60-70m.

Lets not forget Rooney is one of the best passes of the ball in our team and one of the top strikers in europe (mostly by reputation) LvG wont ignore that. I imagine hell play Rooney on the left of a 4-3-3 system cutting in or hell simply tell the board we dont need a deep lying playmaker because Rooney can do that role, toys will be thrown and the circus continues.
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Playing Rooney from the left would be the best solution in my opinion. In theory we'd have a very technically gifted spine to the team with the likes of Mata, RVP, Carrick, Kagawa and hopefully another technical midfielder, with powerful/tricky/quick players on either side in the form of Rooney, Nani, Valencia, Januzaj, Welbeck.

The only issue is that he's stated before that he no longer wants to play anywhere except centre forward for more than "the last 10 minutes". I just can't see him accepting this role without kicking up a huge fuss. But if this happens he is welcome to find a new club as far as I'm concerned.
 
Hopefully, Chelsea are stupid enough to give us big money for Rooney and pay him 300 k a week. Won't happen though. Mourinho may be arrogant, but stupid he ain't. Anyway, LVG is strong enough to deal properly wth Rooney.
 
If he kicks up a fuss, who the hell would fork out the money to buy him, AND pay his huge salary?
 
Maybe we're interested in Cavani with the hope of offloading Rooney to them.
 
kps88 said:
Maybe we're interested in Cavani with the hope of offloading Rooney to them.
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Ya maybe.. Didn't the Psg owner threaten Barca that if they submitted a bid for Thiago Silva he would retaliate with a huge bid for Messi.. So maybe we are just tempting him to take Rooney of our hands..
 
Amar__ said:
I proved you last time that he wasn't even in top5 in the league, and again, simple math proves he didn't have better ratio than van Persie:

Van Persie played 3123 minutes in 2012/13, scored 26(3 from penalties), therefore 23 in 3123 minutes = goal every 136 minutes.

Rooney played 2014 minutes, scored 12(1 from penalty), therefore 11 in 2014 minutes = goal every 180 minutes . It's not even close. :wenger:
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It's goals + assists per minute or 'scoring rate'. From open play.
 
A good season from Rooney but it wasn't anything special in the end. 300k... what were we thinking. Not looking forward to seeing how much money we are wasting in three or four years time.
 
Amar__ said:
Erm, it says best scoring ratio in the league.
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"49 NPG plus .45 assist works out to .94 goals per 90 minutes on the pitch."
"So Rooney’s scoring contribution is now [...]"

Did you not read the article? It all checks out

You should withdraw your comment about lying.
 
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r0x0rwolfo said:
"49 NPG plus .45 assist works out to .94 goals per 90 minutes on the pitch."
"So Rooney’s scoring contribution is now [...]"

Did you not read the article? It all checks out

You should withdraw your comment about lying.
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NessunDorma said Rooney was ahead of van Persie on goalscoring ratio from open play, it wasn't me who said that.

And I highly doubt that's true either.
 
Amar__ said:
NessunDorma said Rooney was ahead of van Persie on goalscoring ratio from open play, it wasn't me who said that.

And I highly doubt that's true either.
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I am referring to this.
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He repeated twice how Rooney had the best ratio in the league, it's really not that hard to get what he was trying to say.

You can call it how you want, but he presents fake stats, and shares it with people, therefore he lies, intentionally or not, I don't care.
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Ted Knutsons stats are legitimate. He's not lied. You have both misinterpreted 'scoring contribution' or 'scoring rate' for goalscoring ratio (a term he doesn't use). Scoring contribution is defined as NPG (none penalty goals) + assists per 90 minutes. He makes this quite clear in the article:

"182 shots, spread across 30 full games made for Rooney’s highest Shots per 90 in his career. 22 non-penalty goals coupled with 3 assists made for a scoring contribution of .82 per 90, an excellent total."

There's charts and everything.

Next time something looks wrong, actually read the article instead of calling the author a liar.



@NessunDorma Best you fully comprehend the stats you post. To avoid someone erroneously slating your source.
 
markhrad said:
Read that Rooney asked club officials not to hire LVG. Not sure of its validity.
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Are people really so niave to believe what is written papers etc. as if Wayne Rooney has any say as to who the next manager is, this is exactly the same as the rumours regarding him having a say being told who was being added to the team/transfers he will have none.
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
@NessunDorma Best you fully comprehend the stats you post. To avoid someone erroneously slating your source.
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Aye, thanks for the clarification. As I said, I thought the sentence was pretty ambiguous, and open to misinterpretation. Mainly because he moves straight from talking about RvP having won the golden boot (which is awarded to the highest scorer), to then saying 'but when you strip out penalties… the best scoring rate in the league belonged to Wayne'. So it does sound like he's referring to goals alone, or could certainly be read that way.
 
NessunDorma said:
Aye, thanks for the clarification. As I said, I thought the sentence was pretty ambiguous, and open to misinterpretation. Mainly because he moves straight from talking about RvP having won the golden boot (which is awarded to the highest scorer), to then saying 'but when you strip out penalties… the best scoring rate in the league belonged to Wayne'. So it does sound like he's referring to goals alone, or could certainly be read that way.
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I think it's ambiguous if you only look at that paragraph for sure, because it's decontextualised and we have a different expection of the meaning of 'scoring rate'. I see where the ambiguity has come from. However, reading more of the article and you see the term 'scoring rate' and 'scoring contribution' used interchangeably:

"So Rooney’s scoring contribution is now 1.05, and likely the highest in his career. If Luis Suarez, Sergio Aguero, and Daniel Sturridge also weren’t playing completely out of their minds (and they totally are), Rooney would be an easy favourite to again lead the league in scoring rate. Instead, he’s 4th in a year where all sorts of guys have gone completely bananas."

Also in his 'what have we learned section' he reitterates his 'best scoring rate in the league' comment:

"I did not realize that Rooney lead the league in normalized scoring contribution last season."

I hope this helps.
 
This thread really is a proper disgrace. Someone will come in and randomly say "I've read somewhere that..." or post some rubbish Daily Mail link with just more speculation and then some others pick that up and start calling him a disgrace and selling him off.
 
wr8_utd said:
This thread really is a proper disgrace. Someone will come in and randomly say "I've read somewhere that..." or post some rubbish Daily Mail link with just more speculation and then some others pick that up and start calling him a disgrace and selling him off.
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Top managers and world class players rate Rooney as one of best players in the world, yet Caf experts have almost totally opposite opinion on him.

This place really changed over the years, and not in a good way, shame about that.
 
wr8_utd said:
This thread really is a proper disgrace. Someone will come in and randomly say "I've read somewhere that..." or post some rubbish Daily Mail link with just more speculation and then some others pick that up and start calling him a disgrace and selling him off.
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There are plenty of myths floating around about him at the moment.

Things like him demanding a say in our transfer targets. Complete nonsense, as Daniel Taylor, the journalist who broke the story that the myth is based on, has clarified. All Rooney wanted was some guarantees that good players were going to be brought in, and an overview of the clubs vision in general.

Or him getting a pay rise to £300'000 a week. When Jason Burt of The Telegraph has reported that in fact the 'new contract does not place him on a higher basic salary such as the £300,000-a-week that has been claimed. Indeed there is understood to actually be a small drop in the £240,000-a-week he was being paid'. Any extra money he gets will instead come from his cut off the commercial deals that the club will now negotiate on his behalf - deals which the club itself will in turn take their cut from, making both parties money.

Now we have this pish about him being scared for his future under Van Gaal, and even whispers that he's asked the club not to appoint him. Even if the former claim is true - and it's not based on anything much at all - does anything think the latter is even 0.1% likely?

Some people have clearly just got it in for him, and will jump on any old rumour, misapprehension or misrepresentation - no matter how implausible - if it gives them the chance to stick the boot in.
 
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r0x0rwolfo said:
It's goals + assists per minute or 'scoring rate'. From open play.
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Is it really though? Does it take out Rooney's assists from set pieces? I'd highly doubt it. You can't pick and choose what to include and come out with a balanced appraisal.
 
Black Adder said:
Top managers and world class players rate Rooney as one of best players in the world, yet Caf experts have almost totally opposite opinion on him.

This place really changed over the years, and not in a good way, shame about that.
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Those managers and players that 'rate him' don't watch him every week like we do. He's getting shit for performances against Bayern and alike, which is well justified because he played like a pub player.

He's been throwing his toys out of the pram numerous times as well and is our highest earner.
 
Kostur said:
Those managers and players that 'rate him' don't watch him every week like we do. He's getting shit for performances against Bayern and alike, which is well justified because he played like a pub player.

He's been throwing his toys out of the pram numerous times as well and is our highest earner.
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Yep, I'm sure you would know better about his football abilites than the players actually playing against him on the pitch, glad that's been cleared.
 
wr8_utd said:
This thread really is a proper disgrace. Someone will come in and randomly say "I've read somewhere that..." or post some rubbish Daily Mail link with just more speculation and then some others pick that up and start calling him a disgrace and selling him off.
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I often look at the News Now website. It is a story they are running. This being a discussion thread why can I not draw it to the attention of others. Rumours are exactly that. Why should we be selective in what we discuss? We have threads based on LVG becoming or next manager is that not a rumour as well?
Do not be so vitriolic because someone does not share your opinion on a given topic or player.
Why discuss anything at all? We can simply wait for events to unfold.
 
Black Adder said:
Yep, I'm sure you would know better about his football abilites than the players actually playing against him on the pitch, glad that's been cleared.
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Have you ever expressed a negative opinion on a player that professionals rate?
 
acnumber9 said:
Is it really though? Does it take out Rooney's assists from set pieces? I'd highly doubt it. You can't pick and choose what to include and come out with a balanced appraisal.
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Actually, you're totally right to pull me up there.

His method is non penalty goals + assists per 90. My use of the term 'open play' was vague at best.

The article mainly focuses on Rooney's statistics versus previous seasons and how his statistics have radically altered as he has been asked to play different roles, whilst this normalised scoring contribution has remained 'eerily consistent'.
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
Actually, you're totally right to pull me up there.

His method is non penalty goals + assists per 90. My use of the term 'open play' was vague at best.

The article mainly focuses on Rooney's statistics versus previous seasons and how his statistics have radically altered whilst this normalised scoring contribution has stayed stable and even increased.
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It's a biased study and as such cannot be taken seriously. Rooney's a good player but people are still right to question why his performances can fluctuate so much. He's developed into a very good set piece taker which can account for his uptake in assists but when you think of the player he could've become then I think he has disappointed a little. His professionalism at times can also be questioned. When you couple that with his behaviour when he wants a pay rise then it's difficult for human beings to separate the heart from the head.
 
acnumber9 said:
It's a biased study and as such cannot be taken seriously. Rooney's a good player but people are still right to question why his performances can fluctuate so much. He's developed into a very good set piece taker which can account for his uptake in assists but when you think of the player he could've become then I think he has disappointed a little. His professionalism at times can also be questioned. When you couple that with his behaviour when he wants a pay rise then it's difficult for human beings to separate the heart from the head.
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Biased against whom? Rooney of a year ago?

I'm not surprised that he's adapted yet again and kept a high scoring contribution in a team that were playing poor and negative football. When it's all one way traffic like against City, Rooney is going to have much less opportunities, it's not a bad thing that he can score a world class freekick, we have seen it be the difference in some games. I don't see people holding it against Van Persie, Mata or Ronaldo when they score a free kick.
 
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NessunDorma said:
As an AMC this season, he's played 25 games, scoring 11 goals, and getting 10 assists (the 'much better' Kagawa has played 5 games there, with no goals and no assists from that specific position)

As an out and out forward, he's played 11 games, scoring 8 goals, and getting 3 assists.

This is according to WhoScored.

So straight away, there's an example of him producing great numbers in two different positions.

He can also do a job in midfield, and has on numerous occasions, under both Ferguson and Moyes. Not an elite midfielder by any stretch, but better there than many other strikes would be.

So no, I don't think his versatility is a 'myth' at all. He's an excellent striker, a more than adequate No.10, and a passable midfielder under certain conditions.
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Good post.
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
Biased against whom? Rooney of a year ago?

I'm not surprised that he's adapted yet again and kept a high scoring contribution in a team that were playing poor and negative football. When it's all one way traffic like against City, Rooney is going to have much less opportunities, it's not a bad thing that he can score a world class freekick, we have seen it be the difference in some games. I don't see people holding it against Van Persie, Mata or Ronaldo when they score a free kick.
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Biased toward Rooney.

Of course it's not a bad thing but when collating stats to prove a point you cannot discount one form of set piece and include another.
 
Black Adder said:
Yep, I'm sure you would know better about his football abilites than the players actually playing against him on the pitch, glad that's been cleared.
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Yup, because that's what I'm implying.

And yea, it's absolutely astonishing that none of his fellow players dares to criticise him in the media. I'm sure that everybody is loving him throwing toys out of the pram all the time, his constant whining and shit attitude.
 
acnumber9 said:
Biased toward Rooney.

Of course it's not a bad thing but when collating stats to prove a point you cannot discount one form of set piece and include another.
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How is it biased towards Rooney, when it is comparing Rooney to Rooney? It's using fixed criteria, if they don't want to include penalty goals then that works. Rooney would still do fine with or without

Weird how penalty shootouts don't go towards goals scored either, that must enrage you.
 
Kostur said:
Yup, because that's what I'm implying.

And yea, it's absolutely astonishing that none of his fellow players dares to criticise him in the media. I'm sure that everybody is loving him throwing toys out of the pram all the time, his constant whining and shit attitude.
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I don't know what going on behind scenes, with him and his agent, no one does, yet people like to refer to gossip links or take guesses to prove their negative opinon on Rooney and it's being tolerated.

Rooney performed for United since he came to the club, even this year when everyone else forgot how to play footy yet people still act like butthurt because it's Rooney, fans favorite when it comes to bashing and then put aside his overall contribution to United success over the years, pathetic.

acnumber9 said:
We all have our moments. Some more often than others which is why yours was so easy to point out.
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I recently wrote that Vidić should't be playing for United again since he looked like he's mentally already in Milan.

2 matches later he's back to playing Vida way and it's me who was clearly wrong about him.

So what can I do, admit I was wrong, or try to find some stat about him having 0,02 tackles less won with his left foot and go on with that just to act like that wrong presumption never happend?

I'll admit I was wrong, but Rooney bashers won't give up on him being shit no matter what he does on the pitch since they'll always find something to whine about just because they need to.
 
Black Adder said:
I don't know what going on behind scenes, with him and his agent, no one does, yet people like to refer to gossip links or take guesses to prove their negative opinon on Rooney and it's being tolerated.

Rooney performed for United since he came to the club, even this year when everyone else forgot how to play footy yet people still act like butthurt because it's Rooney, fans favorite when it comes to bashing and then put aside his overall contribution to United success over the years, pathetic.
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So now what, SAF was fecking around saying that Rooney wanted to leave last season ? :confused: He didn't do it for the second time now ?
 
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