If Van Gaal comes to United I don't see Rooney getting thrown onto the bench. In fact I see Rooney having a manager at the club who can get his head set and he could achieve greatness, someone who can shrink the ego and get great results out of him on the pitch.
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Really don't see that happening. Rooney's ego has been inflated since he was in his mid-teens. I suspect Rooney would rather rebel with a sense of entitlement than take the mature approach, however, if you are right then its a win-win situation
Rooney could operate as a midfielder if the system accommodated it. Not in a 4-4-2.
Would it be worth it? Probably not.
Trouble with Rooney is I really don't know where to play him. Up front? OK, but his tendency to drop deep is detrimental there because he invades the space that the Kagawas and Matas want to operate in, and allows the opponents back line to push up.
Play him as #10? Sure, but that means shunting our other, more technical players out to the wings. Plus Rooney isn't a particularly technical #10 himself nowadays.
Play him out wide? Maybe. Still not his best position and would starve the likes of Januzaj and Nani (if he stays) of gametime.
I struggle to fit him into a team without it displacing others. I would sooner have RVP, Welbeck or Hernandez as a lone striker because they play off the last man and create space for the rest of our attack to work in, and make intelligent runs.
I would sooner see Mata or Kagawa as a #10, and rather see Januzaj or Nani out wide.
Would it be worth it? Probably not.
Trouble with Rooney is I really don't know where to play him. Up front? OK, but his tendency to drop deep is detrimental there because he invades the space that the Kagawas and Matas want to operate in, and allows the opponents back line to push up.
Play him as #10? Sure, but that means shunting our other, more technical players out to the wings. Plus Rooney isn't a particularly technical #10 himself nowadays.
Play him out wide? Maybe. Still not his best position and would starve the likes of Januzaj and Nani (if he stays) of gametime.
I struggle to fit him into a team without it displacing others. I would sooner have RVP, Welbeck or Hernandez as a lone striker because they play off the last man and create space for the rest of our attack to work in, and make intelligent runs.
I would sooner see Mata or Kagawa as a #10, and rather see Januzaj or Nani out wide.
Rooney and LvG's relationship can go one of two ways. LvG can turn him into a beast of a player getting him to lethally thrive in our new system, or he'll most likely fall out with him and be overlooked for van Gaals compatriot. I don't think there'll be a middle ground.
Realistically, he is not going anywhere anyway. On the contract he has now he won't look for a transfer and the club will more than likely have no intention of shifting him. On his wages nobody would take him. He has been one of the standouts in a dire season and put in some solid performances. So the only option really is to try and get the very best we can out of him. I think Van Gaal would be the best man to do that.
I think he should be convinced to move in central midfield, à la Scholes to accommodate all three of Mata, RVP and him. Add pacey wingers to the mix..
Its true he is not going anywhere but I just don't see, with everyone fit, where he can have a starting position.
We cannot sacrifice the team chemistry just to accommodate him.
Plus with Rooney shackled I believe Nani, if he is still here, could become a force again. The interplay between Nani, RVP and Mata has great potential.
I've been a fan of this notion for years, but i am starting to lose faith in it, and honestly i don't think Rooney has the tools necessary to become a top CM, never mind a world class one. He does have a terrific engine, a good range of passing, is a decent tackler and does possess the ability to take long range shots, but those alone are imo not enough to be a good CM
First of all, his technique, first touch, spacial awareness and general play in tight areas is often way to sloppy for a good CM. Secondly i don't think he has the tactical discipline necessary to be a full blooded CM, since he tends to move all over the pitch. A good quality, but can be very dangerous for a CM when playing good sides and you need to maintain your shape.
This makes me sad. I don't mind Ferguson retiring. But the timing of it was all wrong. If he'd retire a year later, Kagawa would probably be a mainstay in the team, and we'd have moved on to the continental approach. (which isn't really a good name for it now, considering City and Arsenal have been doing it for years.)
I hope that it all works out in the end, I know a lot of fans have hatred towards Rooney but I prefer to see him in the team than out of it, especially an on form Rooney, that is just a personal feeling though. I like him as a player so hopefully he can get in the right head set and get down and graft. Its true his ego has been inflating since his teens, maybe he will show some maturity now he is in his late 20's? I hope so anyway, it would be the best for all sides if he just knuckles down and doesn't kick up a stink.
I have a feeling Nani might be heading for the door this summer though, don't know why but I just feel he won't be here next year which is a shame.
Can someone actually explain logically to me why freezing out Rooney and Welbeck to accomodate an older and rarely fit Van Persie isn't in reality a really terrible idea?
I mean, that's ignoring the fact there's zero evidence LVG would even do this, and zero evidence that Rooney is actually concerned about it.
I mean, that's ignoring the fact there's zero evidence LVG would even do this, and zero evidence that Rooney is actually concerned about it.
We dont have to freeze out Rooney to accommodate RVP. A good manager should be able to play them both in a system. But, if Van Gaal feels there's place for only one, I'd rather it be Rooney even though I believe RVP is the better striker but its more likely be RVP that becomes Van Gaal's striker of choice.
Welbeck doesnt really come into the equation as far as am concerned. He'l get plenty of games. Its Chicha that's more or less cert to be gone.
^ Hehe at noodlehair's post.. that post stands out in this thread. It's almost as if common sense was used in writing it. This thread is so retarded sometimes.
I think he should be convinced to move in central midfield, à la Scholes to accommodate all three of Mata, RVP and him. Add pacey wingers to the mix..
Scholes "IS" or "WAS" a midfielder
Will Rooney still be made captain if LVG comes in? Or will he favour RVP?
Can see Rooney getting disgruntled at this, which we all know doesn't work with his performances, but maybe LVG will kick this out of him.
Can see Rooney getting disgruntled at this, which we all know doesn't work with his performances, but maybe LVG will kick this out of him.
No point playing him for the sake of it. But RVP won't be around for a long time so worth keeping Rooney happy til then? But then by that time Rooney is going to be older too.
So maybe getting rid and getting some money is the best option? Get our quality midfielders now and look for a decent striker when the time comes? Or get a new striker now as well? It's already been rumoured. What a headache. I hate this thread already. Why did I write this?
So maybe getting rid and getting some money is the best option? Get our quality midfielders now and look for a decent striker when the time comes? Or get a new striker now as well? It's already been rumoured. What a headache. I hate this thread already. Why did I write this?
Too much time at work?
I really hope Van Gaal kicks him out of this football club (if the report is true). Would absolutely snap anyone's hands off for £30m.
Are you my boss?
Even i'm getting a bit a sick of Rooney's attitude now.
The way he might potentially react to a decision that hasn't been made yet by a guy who isn't even our manager is yet more proof that he's an egotist who's only out for himself.
Sell the fecker to Chelsea. It's not like players of his quality are difficult to come by anyway.
The way he might potentially react to a decision that hasn't been made yet by a guy who isn't even our manager is yet more proof that he's an egotist who's only out for himself.
Sell the fecker to Chelsea. It's not like players of his quality are difficult to come by anyway.
I don't know, are you my employee?
We have one who got paid 180k / week , it's just that he doesn't run around looking like Rambo
Rooney and RVP don't seem to like each other with Rooney against Van Gaal coming in and RVP saying that players were in his positions earlier in the season.....I have a feeling Van Gaal would give Rooney the boot if he comes in unless he can turn him into a top CM which would be awesome and save us millions but it's unlikely any other super club that has money will be interested or offer Rooney even close to what Moyes gave him with the new contract here apart from Monaco maybe
All of this based on a Daily Mail article that is pure wind.
The Rooney haterz live in hope.
The Rooney haterz live in hope.
I have a bad feeling for Rooney
Van Gaal is a tactical grandmaster, he won't accept a loose cannon like Rooney running around like a headless chicken and disrupt his formations. FWIW he's the kind of guy that really set teams up, and total football being a delicate tactics won't allow a brainless chicken to simply wandering on his own.
Back in his Ajax days, his player's movement is very precise, and although confusing for the common eyes, i believe in reality it's a very intricate interchanging of positions, something that's not Rooney's forte (and tbf, probably not everyone's forte)
Van Gaal is a tactical grandmaster, he won't accept a loose cannon like Rooney running around like a headless chicken and disrupt his formations. FWIW he's the kind of guy that really set teams up, and total football being a delicate tactics won't allow a brainless chicken to simply wandering on his own.
Back in his Ajax days, his player's movement is very precise, and although confusing for the common eyes, i believe in reality it's a very intricate interchanging of positions, something that's not Rooney's forte (and tbf, probably not everyone's forte)
Although I dislike Rooney more than even Moyes, this part of your post makes me quite sad. Once I and many others harboured great expectations for this wonderkid, but nowadays even his staunchest supporters have no choice but to suffer the humiliation and easily admit that young players like Bale (who everyone agreed a few years ago was still clearly behind Rooney) are far better.
ESPN on Val Gaal's tactics:
http://www.espnfc.com/manager/_/id/99/louis-van-gaal?cc=5739
Given that Wayne Rooney:
1. Is one of the more versatile players around at the moment (and therefore can be easily 'juggled')
2. Is more than willing to press opposition defenders, as we have seen this season
3. Loves to get the ball out wide
4. Is fantastic on the counter-attack, as numerous examples show
Why are people just assuming that Van Gaal won't fancy him or find a role for him?
http://www.espnfc.com/manager/_/id/99/louis-van-gaal?cc=5739
Given that Wayne Rooney:
1. Is one of the more versatile players around at the moment (and therefore can be easily 'juggled')
2. Is more than willing to press opposition defenders, as we have seen this season
3. Loves to get the ball out wide
4. Is fantastic on the counter-attack, as numerous examples show
Why are people just assuming that Van Gaal won't fancy him or find a role for him?
Ultimately it will depend on what precise role LvG will have for Rooney. Because leading the line, RvP is a far better player and Kagawa/Mata are far far better number tens. Will be interesting to see how LvG manages our forward heavy squad.
Van Gaal will love Rooney, in my opinion. Most managers do. That said, I'd love for us to turn into a fantastic team, to cope without his presence, and then shaft him. The evil part of me, anyway.
Shaft Rooney or van Gaal???
Rooney. If we are in a position to shaft him then I'd like to see it happen. Couldn't happen to a better bloke.
Those assertions are a matter of opinion, of course.
Is RvP really 'far' better than Rooney as an out and out striker? You can make a case that he's better (just as you can make a case that Rooney is better), but 'far' better? Not for me.
Is Kagawa a 'far, far' better No.10? If he is, he's yet to demonstrate that in a United shirt.
Can any of RvP, Kagawa and Mata perform in the No.9 role *and* the No.10 role as well as Wayne Rooney can? Short answer: no.
Which is why he's very useful to have around.
Whether Van Gaal wants to or can work with Rooney is not down to him, Hes here for another 4 years unless someone comes in with stupid money in the region of 60-70m.
Lets not forget Rooney is one of the best passes of the ball in our team and one of the top strikers in europe (mostly by reputation) LvG wont ignore that. I imagine hell play Rooney on the left of a 4-3-3 system cutting in or hell simply tell the board we dont need a deep lying playmaker because Rooney can do that role, toys will be thrown and the circus continues.
Lets not forget Rooney is one of the best passes of the ball in our team and one of the top strikers in europe (mostly by reputation) LvG wont ignore that. I imagine hell play Rooney on the left of a 4-3-3 system cutting in or hell simply tell the board we dont need a deep lying playmaker because Rooney can do that role, toys will be thrown and the circus continues.
We don't really need someone who's good/ok playing at #9 and #10 as far as first team 11 goes, we need an excellent #9 and an excellent #10.
Do we 'need' it? I suppose not.
Is such a player an extremely useful addition to any squad? I would say so - again, given that the players who are being presented here as 'far' or 'far, far' better than Rooney in their allotted roles aren't necessarily so.
Oh yeah, you need flexible players in the squad, not necessarily in the first team though. For what it's worth I think Rooney is a very good striker, he's rubbish in the #10 role though. His passing and control are bizarrely overrated at times, but he's good at getting in goalscoring positions.
I would say his abilities as a No.10 are bizarrely underrated. Fergie deemed him good enough to play in the role for years, after all, and he generally averages a goal/assist per game there, while contributing more defensively than a lot of other high profile 10s do.
People will say that while he is productive, he doesn't have the passing abilities or vision to properly orchestrate attacks. And while there are certainly others who do have better short passing and a better touch than Rooney, there is more than one way to skin a cat, and if Rooney's way leads to as many if not more goals/assists as (say) Kagawa's way, why is it necessarily inferior?
Jonathan Wilson wrote probably the best article on what Rooney offers as a No.10 - and why some insist on comparing him unfavourably with his peers - a couple of years ago, and much of it still holds true today.
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Ah but that same Fergie was apparently going to get rid of him. I am of the opinion there is no starting role for Rooney if everyone is fit not because of his overall ability but because for each specific position we have someone better. Due to his versatility he is a good option of the bench.
It is clear if he is the main man with everything going through him we are not going to win anything.
I doubt if his well-stated ego will allow him to play second fiddle to anyone let alone be a benchwarmer.
Even Rooney's staunchest supporters know that RVP is a better no9 that is why they bring up RVP's age and his proneness to injury.
I've always had the impression that when Rooney is in the "no.10" he's just effectively played as a second striker. Not the furthest player forward on the pitch but at the same time not as a deep as your traditional no.10. Similar to how Aguero is used at times for City. He's played there more like a deep-lying forward rather than as an attacking/advanced midfielder.
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