I think a lot of people are going to be surprised if LvG does indeed come in. I'm 100% positive Rooney will be a regular starter, one of the first on the team sheet, just like he has been for ages.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Exactly. This idea that he won't be able to adapt to a modern tactically based system is absurd, despite it more likely than not actually benefiting him, along with other players.
I think it's more what people on here hope rather than expect. There will be tonnes of disappointed United fans if LVG comes in and doesn't drop Rooney. This sort of attitude from our own fans towards one of our best players is a bit sad to witness really.
On a side note to all of this, have any of you seen this video from FTD? I am sure that is Wayne in disguise at (0:23) there.....
He's posing as an Everton fan though.
He's posing as an Everton fan though.
Is he on 20 for the season now?
If he gets up to 25 that's it, I'll really want him out. See him slip when he scored the second.....like he owned the place
If he gets up to 25 that's it, I'll really want him out. See him slip when he scored the second.....like he owned the place
Its not that I don't value him as a player but I just find it annoying that he is considered better than he actually is. World class etc. There must be players in the squad who are fed up with his prima donna status.
The way everyone makes excuses for him when he plays crap must upset some. How would you feel if you trained hard everyday and a favoured son who is out of form or injured still plays in front of you and rarely gets subbed?
Hernandez must be saying to himself about Rooney " they must think the sun shines out of your a.. ". To quote Monthy Python.
The way everyone makes excuses for him when he plays crap must upset some. How would you feel if you trained hard everyday and a favoured son who is out of form or injured still plays in front of you and rarely gets subbed?
Hernandez must be saying to himself about Rooney " they must think the sun shines out of your a.. ". To quote Monthy Python.
That's a bogus argument. You never hear Wayne Rooney and 'world class' in a sentence unless that sentence is "LOL @ people who think Wayne Rooney is world class".
People set up these false arguments to argue against.
Surely you jest.
What?
99% of mentions of Wayne Rooney with 'world class' will be people insisting how Rooney isn't world class. It's the default attack, it's either 'but he isn't world class' or it's the Messi or the Ronaldo card. He's one of the few players who is constantly compared unfavourably to either someone else or a subjective concept. I don't see that happen with other players nearly as much.
You obviously know that's a load of rubbish and just a stupid statistic that makes no sense, but it works well to exaggerate a point. Rooney works in equal extremes on here. Come on here after a really good match, you will see a ton of people posting stuff like "Where are the rooney haters now etc" and using that game as an example of his world class - equally after a bad game - it's used to show he is shite and what not. You're being naive if you think that it's only one way. You can just go back to the start of the season or any good match he has had and see it for yourself.
Well I didn't expect people to take the 99% figure as a scientific measurement, if that's what you mean.
He's scored 19 goals and assisted 20+ this season. That's absolutely ridiculous considering how badly we have played this season and that he has played in numerous different positions. He has been directly involved in nearly 50% of our goals. Now imagine how many goals he could score and set up in a team with a better midfield. Surprised people actually want him to leave for footballing reasons.
Kind of goes along with the "you never hear" part from the earlier post. Either way it basically makes your response to the post you quoted irrelevant.
Please don't dwell on that "World class" reference. My point is that his favour with some fans and most of the British media may piss off other players.
But, has their even been an inclement of growing discontent from teammates when it comes to Rooney? Even with all the mudslinging and dirt that has not been much that has landed on Rooney. It seems to be people projecting more than anything that actually exists.
100% spot on. Agree with every word...
Okay then
I don't think that's a danger. Every team (note, I haven't surveyed this assumption, YouGov may disagree) has at least one 'superstar' player. We've had it over the years with Cantona and Keane and Ronaldo over recent years. I don't think that's a big problem by itself.
I always assumed that there was discontent and that Moyes favouring him contributed to the apparent dislike some players had for Moyes.
I must confess when I heard that Giggs was going to make Rooney the captain for the last 4 games it messed up my theory. It, however, proved false.
Human nature being as it is one can safely assume there must be some resentment if not jealousy towards Rooney's exalted position.
If people rate this performance against 17th team in the league as good/MOTM performance then we are really screwed. Ignore the goals, and it was very poor performance once again.
I know. My mates and I said the same thing; we were all facepalming when the NBC guys (namely Lee Dixon
) gave the MOTM award.I know. My mates and I said the same thing; we were all facepalming when the NBC guys (namely Lee Dixon
If a player scores multiple goals he will probably be named man of the match. Even in our MOTM thread it seems like Rooney received more votes than anyone.
If he could stop running around the pitch and start adopting a hell lot more positional discipline to let his teammates work in their assigned areas, we wouldn't be complaining that much. TBH, he should just stop trying to be a number 10 because he will never be a good one; he should just think about playing as a number 9, which means keeping himself UP FRONT.
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It's a good thing for Rooney that goals are a key part of football although in fairness he could also fall back on two chances he created (scooped pass out to Tony and best cross of the game). I'm no Rooney fanboy but some people really do fall over themselves to give him a kicking. He lost the ball a few times sure but he was playing in arguably the most difficult position to keep the ball. That hardly cancels out what he contributed.
Without wanting to get into a huge debate on Rooney per se... this whole performance thing is so subjective. at the end of the day he scored two goals, which as a striker is his job. I accept his touch was loose and he was sloppy in possession, but i saw him giving options, making runs, get in space which all help the team.
in seasons back, I've seen hernandez, van Nistelrooy, andrew cole all have quiet matches yet grab a few goals and get rightly lauded, why is rooney the striker expected to perform to a much higher standard. Against olympiacos, rvp, didn't do much other than score a hatrick, but we rightly celebrated his clinical marksmanship.
As an a side, I though hernandez's runs were excellent today, the way he pulled the defence for mata's goal was excellent.
in seasons back, I've seen hernandez, van Nistelrooy, andrew cole all have quiet matches yet grab a few goals and get rightly lauded, why is rooney the striker expected to perform to a much higher standard. Against olympiacos, rvp, didn't do much other than score a hatrick, but we rightly celebrated his clinical marksmanship.
As an a side, I though hernandez's runs were excellent today, the way he pulled the defence for mata's goal was excellent.
Because Rooney has played in midfield in the past and because some still think he will eventually become a midfielder I think sometimes people judge him on midfielder standards not striker standards. Personally I just want to see Rooney score and create goals that is what his role is here.
I do agree you point about being a midfielder, or playing midfield, and this why I accept that there is some validity to the various arguments, though today, he was a striker for most of the game, scored two in a four nil win, whilst he could have gone more, he had a couple of other decent chances, Id say today was a good enough strikers performance.
Rooney in typical Rooney performance shock!
Two goals which relaxed the side and allowed them to play with some freedom and confidence, coupled with sloppy touch and poor ball retention. 7.5/10
Would be better off staying up front and playing like a traditional no.9 and showing a little faith in his team mates
Two goals which relaxed the side and allowed them to play with some freedom and confidence, coupled with sloppy touch and poor ball retention. 7.5/10
Would be better off staying up front and playing like a traditional no.9 and showing a little faith in his team mates
That's not really fair though because he only played as a number 9 for the few minutes between Wekbeck coming off and Chicharito coming on (when he moved into midfield). For 60 minutes he was a number 10 so had every right to be involved and not just stay up front.
Kept loosing his footing and slipping for some weird reason but I thought he played well overall. Very little to criticise. Gets Gerrarditis and starts hollywooding it up when he moves into midfield though but I have a sneaky feeling that midfield could be where LvG uses him.
I don't just mean today, he should stay upfront most of the time as we have at least two better number tens in the squad and is much rather we bring in specialised midfielders rather than attempt to convert a forward with little to no positional discipline
He doesn't play as a number 9 often though tbf.
Not his biggest fan, but what a goal that second one was. That's the frustrating thing about Rooney. He is capable of things like that, but his general all round play can be quite bad, and when he is off, he is so terrible you can't help but be pissed off at him.
Yep sorry about that, glad you understand. I agree he does have much more offer and of course he should be open to critisism or beeing dropped just like any other player. You know he might have been negatively affected just like our other players by Moyes's new coaching team, his first touch and passing might not be as good because of this years new training/trainers, you never know.
It was a classic Rooney performance. Plays a bit shit, but scored a couple.
It could well be the case, it will be interesting to see him under a new manager.
Rooney is a unique player in that he doesn't fit into any position/category perfectly...
Like has been mentioned a few times, yesterday was a typical performance form him, some poor touches, gave the ball away frequently, won the ball back frequently, created a few chances and scored 2 goals! He burnt a lot of bridges with his contract talks and most will never be repaired but his winning mentality on the pitch is becoming more and more under appreciated.
They are silkier players in the squad with better close control, but none of them have won United as many points as Rooney has and none would run the full length of the pitch to win the ball back or keep believing the team could win a match whilst losing 2-0.
I hope the next manager loves Rooney! because the team needs winners like Rooney if United are going to win the title back next season.
Like has been mentioned a few times, yesterday was a typical performance form him, some poor touches, gave the ball away frequently, won the ball back frequently, created a few chances and scored 2 goals! He burnt a lot of bridges with his contract talks and most will never be repaired but his winning mentality on the pitch is becoming more and more under appreciated.
They are silkier players in the squad with better close control, but none of them have won United as many points as Rooney has and none would run the full length of the pitch to win the ball back or keep believing the team could win a match whilst losing 2-0.
I hope the next manager loves Rooney! because the team needs winners like Rooney if United are going to win the title back next season.
If the manager wants Rooney to drop deep and be involved more then how can you blame him? It is the manager's responsibility to instruct him and if he wants Rooney to be rigid up front then he can demand that. But it seems not many managers who have worked with Rooney have wanted him to stay rigid up front. Believe it or not, he has scored the most goals for us this season and he has set up the most goals for us this season and maybe our managers have wanted him to do this by dropping deep (scoring and setting up goals... not such a bad thing to do, right?). Directly involved in almost half of our bloody goals, not such a bad thing right? Some of you make him out to be useless in the number 10 role, how does he score and set up so many then? You'd think he's barely set up a team mate the way some people have been talking.
Rooney is a fantastic tactical option for any manager, why do you think someone like Jose wanted him? He can play up front and stay there if told to do so, he can start behind the striker or he can start up top and drop deep (this can be effective when you have runners to take advantage of this like Welbeck). Any team would love a player who can score 20 and set up 20 in 40 games but apparently that isn't good enough for some on here. Also, can you blame him for not trusting his team mates this season and trying to take up more responsibility? If he stands up front, receives no service and does nothing then you will still criticise him. At least he gets involved and tries to influence the game rather than hiding.
Watching Euro 04 clips just now and my word, what a talent this guy was. I am actually disappointed with what he's become as he could've been so much better. I'd trade that Rooney for current Rooney any day of the week. The fact that it's debatable whether he's world class or not at the moment says it all.
I blame the English media. As soon as a talented youngster with great potential comes along they build him up as the next great thing before he realizes said potential. An immature brain gets overwhelmed by the adulation and buys into it. Agents come along fighting for the cash cow. Telling him how great he is and how much money he can make. Girls flock around him like never before. He has hit the big time but what suffers is his growth.
If left alone he would mature, gain self-discipline and listen to sage advice, then he would have a chance to achieve maximum potential.
Of course it depends on the individual. Beckham handled it pretty well.
I think Rooney loves the adulation and believes he is actually better than he is. How can you blame him when from an early age he was dubbed the
" White Pele ".
If left alone he would mature, gain self-discipline and listen to sage advice, then he would have a chance to achieve maximum potential.
Of course it depends on the individual. Beckham handled it pretty well.
I think Rooney loves the adulation and believes he is actually better than he is. How can you blame him when from an early age he was dubbed the
" White Pele ".
Thought he was average against Norwich. Scored two so people think he played but I really wasn't that impressed. His overall game (like ball control and first touch) was still sloppy.
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