It doesn't seem to me like that. Even if he does, he is talking about his game all around, and I don't see how Welbeck who played 20 minutes IIRC and blocked his one shot could be described as someone who is running into his positions in that game. There was still 70 minutes before Welbeck was brought on.
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It doesn't seem to me like that. Even if he does, he is talking about his game all around, and I don't see how Welbeck who played 20 minutes IIRC and blocked his one shot could be described as someone who is running into his positions in that game. There was still 70 minutes before Welbeck was brought on.
I think there's a good player in there still, but he has to be properly managed and he just hasn't been this season.
Firstly someone needs to put their foot down, he's not undroppable, he plays when he's medically declared fit and not when he decides he is, he plays as a number 9 and he does not roam around to get the ball. Oh and he is OUTRIGHT FORBIDDEN FROM PLAYING THAT INFURIATING LOFTED THROUGH BALL THATS ABSOLUTE SHITE TO THE RIGHT WING.
Pure number 9, no getting involved in the game, and he's good enough I think. Its his all round game thats turned to shite.
Firstly someone needs to put their foot down, he's not undroppable, he plays when he's medically declared fit and not when he decides he is, he plays as a number 9 and he does not roam around to get the ball. Oh and he is OUTRIGHT FORBIDDEN FROM PLAYING THAT INFURIATING LOFTED THROUGH BALL THATS ABSOLUTE SHITE TO THE RIGHT WING.
Pure number 9, no getting involved in the game, and he's good enough I think. Its his all round game thats turned to shite.
What happened to the Rooney who spent his life heading in Antonio Valencia crosses?
What happened to the Antonio Valencia who spent his life kicking balls at Wayne Rooney's head?
We played shit football then but it was pretty effective.
I don't know, I really don't their twin decline is baffling.
There's nothing in that interview that indicates he was talking about anything other than the game up to that point. I saw a lot of misquotes around the time (some with an agenda before it got translated more widely) and a lot were left under the impression he was singling out players or talking about something he wasn't.
Welbeck and Van Persie clashed and misread eachother a couple of times in that short stint. I don't think it was Welbeck's fault or anything, these things happen and I think RVP was talking after a disappointing game and just expressed a minor frustration. No big deal.
One of those was the pass where he should have given it to Nani but tried another of his stupid chips to nobody wasn't it? He was awful today. So many hollywood passes that even if they got to the player they were intended for the winger still has to beat the full back. It's a totally pointless pass to make and when he hits them the percentage for success is never very good.
When he persists with them when they are clearly not working it makes me wonder is he a bit simple or what's going in his head? Stoke away in Febuary when we were against the wind was amazing to watch. And why is Moyes not telling him to cut it out?
He was on fire during that period when he didn't actually want to be here, at the start of the season.
In fact, the whole situation was a little bizzare. He never apologised nor brought up the fact he wanted to leave. He just played some outstanding football, then eventually as the season progressed and things settled down we got the same old Rooney. Spectacular at times, but most of the time nowhere near his best.
In fact, the whole situation was a little bizzare. He never apologised nor brought up the fact he wanted to leave. He just played some outstanding football, then eventually as the season progressed and things settled down we got the same old Rooney. Spectacular at times, but most of the time nowhere near his best.
OK, how about indications that Rooney and van Persie barely pass to each other when played together and that they actually make awful pairing(this season), and that when van Persie and Welbeck play together they actually both played very good. I know you are not accusing Welbeck, but it's quite obvious that van Persie and Rooney aren't the best pair, and I am quite sure van Persie was talking about him.
My memory has him down as brilliant from Swansea to around the end of September. Then quiet until the end of November through December. Then not a lot happened between then and March and now he's back in a slump, obviously because of injury/fitness more than anything.
I've seen good from Rooney and Welbeck before too. The passing rate from Rooney to Van Persie is bizzarre but I always felt they played too far apart than anything else oddly enough, they're never close enough to initiate 'link up play' :P. I think it's an assumption, and especially if you look at the particular game, I'd really struggle to find an example of Rooney getting in Van Persie's way. Do you remember one? (I'm not asking you to go through the entire game though, I accept your opinion).
I am not saying Rooney and Welbeck don't make good pair, this is about van Persie and his partner. I remember lot of those, pretty much every game Rooney and van Persie they played together, van Persie is barely involved. Van Persie's best game after the injury was his first game(vs Palace) after the 2 month injury and it was with Mata playing behind him. In the next few games when he should be much better considering Palace game was his first game after the injury - he was poor and invisible, and you guess - he was paired with Rooney.
If he's to captain us next season then he'll need to mature alot during the Summer.
He's still lashing out in frustration when things aren't going our way. You need your captain to lead, not thow strops at referees and put in dangerous tackles.
He's still lashing out in frustration when things aren't going our way. You need your captain to lead, not thow strops at referees and put in dangerous tackles.
He was the definition of terrible today. Absolutely awful. He makes double what he should and he is nowhere near being captain of Utd. Todays performance was one of the worst I've seen from a player in A United Jersey.
It wasn't long ago we were talking about that stat: 22 wins out of 28 games Rooney and RVP started together. Obviously a lot has changed since the start of the year...
He needs to go, imo. He's a drain on the club, and on the way we play. We can get someone else to take our corners.
Ill quite happily kick balls at rooneys head all day every day.
Well, I say balls, rocks, bottles of piss, severed scouse heads, cow pats, anything really.
I can supply the severed scouse heads.
And I'll do it for just 1% of 300000 a week, that's a bargain in any language!
Even earlier in this season, when he was contributing, I think selling last summer would have been the shrewd "moneyball" option. A more ruthless and decisive manager would have seen that the tradeoff required to keep him happy and well paid, and the sacrifice in tactics & positioning to accomodate him, are not worth the cost to the club and other players. Everything had been set up to ship him out, and then Moyes decided to write his own script.
Now just imagine the situation three years from now... an aging Rooney, slowed by injuries, lack of positional discipline, captain, club legend, etc. It may get much worse.
That's a great summary. I would agree that motivation is key. He was playing for a new contract for a time, then he was playing to save the season, and now he's just playing out the slack. Maybe he'll find some new motivation next season.
I still can't help but think that we could replace him with another less "talented" player on a fraction of the wages, who plays in an actual position within our tactics, and get better results as a team. I wish we would at least try it...
Three years from now, will you look back and thank your lucky stars we kept him?
He's finished. His pace has deserted him and he's trying to make up for it by playing like a number 10, rather than a Striker.
We should have fecking punted him to Chelsea at the beginning of the season and built a new team around a younger core.
We should have fecking punted him to Chelsea at the beginning of the season and built a new team around a younger core.
He's been utter shite since he signed that contract to be honest, before that this season he was easily our best outfield player. Funny thing is most of you only remember the post-contract moments.
As good as he is, I think it would've been best if we didn't sign him up to a new contract and instead let him go. Fergie hung him out to dry last season and made it easier for Moyes to get rid. I only see him regressing from here on; which makes the massive contract a misjudgement. It just stunk of the club/Moyes being too unsure of the future at a difficult time and so they've reacted by making a statement with regards to keeping our best players.
I'm not doubting his ability, he's a terrific player and has been in his time here but I just feel he has too much influence and restricts the flexibility of the team and has peaked. There's been games where playing Rooney on the wing would probably be the best option, just as Fergie did in the Bernebeu last year but that's not going to happen. Similarly playing the likes of Hernandez in a game like today.
People will bring up the fact that he's our best player and we'd be nowhere without him this season but I feel we'd be moving towards playing a different way and it's not as if we don't have any impressive replacements. You also need to factor in that there's more players elsewhere that can be attracted here - especially on the giant wages that Rooney is on.
My opinion is obviously hugely influenced by Moyes and the current situation so it could change under a different manager or if RvP's future becomes more bleak.
I'm not doubting his ability, he's a terrific player and has been in his time here but I just feel he has too much influence and restricts the flexibility of the team and has peaked. There's been games where playing Rooney on the wing would probably be the best option, just as Fergie did in the Bernebeu last year but that's not going to happen. Similarly playing the likes of Hernandez in a game like today.
People will bring up the fact that he's our best player and we'd be nowhere without him this season but I feel we'd be moving towards playing a different way and it's not as if we don't have any impressive replacements. You also need to factor in that there's more players elsewhere that can be attracted here - especially on the giant wages that Rooney is on.
My opinion is obviously hugely influenced by Moyes and the current situation so it could change under a different manager or if RvP's future becomes more bleak.
He was awful. Awful. The amount of times I screamed at the TV because of a Rooney error was ridiculous. He was all over the place. Kept going wide, coming deep, missing passes and of course going to old reliable. That stupid lofted pass out wide that Baines knew was going to happen. He's a good player, and we should keep him. Moyes needs to grow a set though. DROP HIM. He is out of form. Welbeck, or Hernandez, deserve to start. Won't happen though.
Yeah but that's the hilarious thing. He's a world class player who ALWAYS takes three games after an injury to get back into form, so you can't drop him because then you'll just be extending his period of playing like shit.
I still say his contract will go down as one of the worst United have ever made.
Let him get his form back through the U/21s. Or through sub appearances. He shouldn't be playing the full 90 minutes like he did against Bayern and Everton anyway. I'm starting to agree with you about the contract.
If that happens, I'll stop watching us till we change a new captain. It's a fecking joke how a cnut like him can waltz into being our captain after blackmailing the club twice.
I only watched the first half but he ruined every single move. Every single one.
He wasnt talking about a single game he was talking about the season. He's not as knee jerk as you are
Wished we got him rid of him in the summer.
I think Rooney will be a problem for England too.
I think Rooney will be a problem for England too.
Giving him 300k / week , and not only that, for 5 fecking years is the most stupid things Moyes have ever done.
Now we can't sell him - No team in their right mind would want to pay 300k for him. Not many teams can afford him, and those that can afford him would probably have better and more reliable players. Rooney won't take a paycut to join lower ranking club.
He had nothing to gain from playing well - 5 Years contract 300k/week (excluding bonus) he'll be well in his 32 after this contract, he can practically retire wealthy.
He doesn't care about forms / dropped - Why should he? He knows we can't sell him, we can't bench him, he'll probably play and sulk all day knowing full well no teams will be stupid enough to pay him that much, let along buying him in the first place.
He doesn't care a bloody thing about United - He just did what he did best, playing football. He could have improved, but it was not necessary, he got the contract he wants, now that SAF is not around, Moyes is just his bitch
300K/week for 260 weeks = 78M Excluding Bonus, we're literally paying him a fecking fortune to stroll around pretending to be the heartbeat of the club running around like a headless chicken not trusting his teammates to do their job. And that 78M is guaranteed his if he's smart enough to just come to the training and pretend like he gives a feck.
feck him, Nice one Moyo!
Now we can't sell him - No team in their right mind would want to pay 300k for him. Not many teams can afford him, and those that can afford him would probably have better and more reliable players. Rooney won't take a paycut to join lower ranking club.
He had nothing to gain from playing well - 5 Years contract 300k/week (excluding bonus) he'll be well in his 32 after this contract, he can practically retire wealthy.
He doesn't care about forms / dropped - Why should he? He knows we can't sell him, we can't bench him, he'll probably play and sulk all day knowing full well no teams will be stupid enough to pay him that much, let along buying him in the first place.
He doesn't care a bloody thing about United - He just did what he did best, playing football. He could have improved, but it was not necessary, he got the contract he wants, now that SAF is not around, Moyes is just his bitch
300K/week for 260 weeks = 78M Excluding Bonus, we're literally paying him a fecking fortune to stroll around pretending to be the heartbeat of the club running around like a headless chicken not trusting his teammates to do their job. And that 78M is guaranteed his if he's smart enough to just come to the training and pretend like he gives a feck.
feck him, Nice one Moyo!
Totally agree with this.
Depressing stuff, but spot on. Even if we accept that it is not the fan's money, but the clubs, the fact is, under the current regime, no matter how badly he plays, he is virtually going to be un-droppable. He is a great brand for the club but not a great a footballer. The worry is that the apparent current malaise and lack of confidence in the team is not only because of Moyes mismanagement, but the contract he was rewarded with on the back of decent performances against mostly average to poor sides.
He doesn't deserve it, and no manager would be crazy enough to give him that. The thing is that Moyes is so under pressure that he prioritise his job (on anything he can get : Overpriced players, happier Rooney, creating diversion, etc) that he foregone what is good for United in the long run (i.e. not giving him financial jackpot and tell him to feck off for the sake of our pride and integrity)
Hope he doesn't get captaincy.
Hint: that was last season.
I think a few of the reactions here are knee jerk. Only a few weeks back against West Ham/Villa people were talking him up, how he's better than RVP. Rooney as a #9 is generally a 30 goals a season player. He's always been shite coming back from injury though and the Everton atmosphere always gets to his game. No need to read too much into it. And those who wanted rid of him, he'd end up at Chelsea and be pretty fecking good for them and his contract was rolling down too and look how much Mata/Ozil cost if you want a ball park figure of getting a replacement.
The big issue is that Moyes needs to grow a set of balls. We have four strikers, it should be horses for courses but he refuses to start anyone but RVP/Rooney unless there is an injury. You can see why Hernandez is pissed off. SAF would play him in games where his strengths would be used (e.g. against Chelsea) but Moyes only has faith in him when we're 2-0 down.
The big issue is that Moyes needs to grow a set of balls. We have four strikers, it should be horses for courses but he refuses to start anyone but RVP/Rooney unless there is an injury. You can see why Hernandez is pissed off. SAF would play him in games where his strengths would be used (e.g. against Chelsea) but Moyes only has faith in him when we're 2-0 down.
When the feck does he ever scores 30 goals a season?
I prefer to keep both Welbeck and Hernandez and sell Rooney. What's the point waste 250k per week for a striker who are very inconsistent and only scored 15 goals in 26 starters. While we have Welbeck who scored 10 goals in 13 league starters and Hernandez who scored 4 goals in 5 league starters. We got number 10 role Mata and Kagawa. We got Mata and Januzaj who can take set pieces. We even still have RVP.
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