This seems to be the favourite line for a lot of United fans this season. Suggests anything remotely non positive about our chances and it means you want the club to lose.
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This seems to be the favourite line for a lot of United fans this season. Suggests anything remotely non positive about our chances and it means you want the club to lose.
I disagree, it perhaps back up my point, but it wouldn't quantify who misses more? Also, you are missing huge points here such as opposition, importance of the game, importance of the goal.
For example, I can recall many a goal Rooney has missed when we're 2 up, but Hernandez will be crucified for missing the goal in the game that ended 0-0, hence why I say it's pointless, there are too many variables, perhaps If I'm more specific..
In a big game, out of the 3, if you had to set up the scenario and replay it and could choose which striker took it, same position, same defenders, everything, what would your ordering be?
No, it is a response to those hoping than an expected thrashing by Bayern would result in their wish of Moyes being sacked coming true. I spoke to fans who were betting on Bayern to reach double-figures over two legs.
We gave them a very good game, and had better chances than them. I stand by my assertions. We could, and probably should have won. However, this isn't playstation and I couldn't control Rooney/Welbeck's shooting.
I believe many people realise that was actually a very winnable tie in the end. I'm guessing this is what is making you pissed off, the fact that for a period, you thought of my posts while watching the game and thought 'he's right' - only to then be disappointed. If you say you did not leave that tie with real disappointment at going out, you are a liar. To go to Munich and score first, and be in a position with 30mins left in the tie and Bayern needing to score twice in that period to knock us out is proof we had a very good chance of winning.
If you're such a Mr. Right, I guess you stuck some money on Bayern to qualify after Evra scored, seeing as that was the only possible outcome anyway. Would have made you a good chunk.
Anyway, as I said, well done you.
The answer to that last question is obvious, based on my recent posts in this thread.
I used to have Hernandez down as an OGS-style lethal predator in front of goal. The last 18-24 months have me a lot less convinced, on the basis he's missed some real sitters. Similar situation with RvP. Remember him almost never missing chances for Arsenal but I don't feel 100% confident with him in front of goal in a United shirt.
Meanwhile, Rooney has improved in front of goal to a point where that miss against Bayern is probably the easiest chance he's missed in the last couple of seasons. Unless you can remind me of other chances I've forgotten about?
While you are right, but seeing as everyone wants to have a go at Persie missing a chance against Real, I seem to recall Rooney missing an easy chance against them too in the second leg, putting it over from in the 6 yard box.
I think Rooney is a top finisher though, especially on one-on-ones. That said, I think one-on-ones is the only area he's superior to Persie in front of goal though.
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I'd like to see Welbecks equivalent figures added to the comparison.
I was just thinking this myself.
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we only have a remote chance of getting to 4th. Rooney needs to get fit and have a great WC. give Wilson a run out as well as Chicho. hopefully RVP gets fit soon too.
So has he fecked his toe by being overplayed?
I love how you take a high ground on criticism but when it comes to defending your favourite you will happily denigrate the ability of other players in the squad.
Whereas you - unlike everyone else on here - are scrupulously fair. Well done. What's the weather like on that moral highground?
Only slight difference between van Persie's performance against Madrid and Rooney's against Bayern is that Robin was still one of our best players at Bernabeu(if not the best), and Rooney was pretty much one of our worst in both games.
I never claimed to be but then I don't spend half my time here posturing like I am. By the way Rooney missed an open net in the same game you posted a video of Van Persie missing a sitter.
Nah, RvP wasn't great against Madrid at all. Miss aside. Welbeck was the pick of our attacking players.
Anyway, I know you love slagging off Rooney so can't really be arsed getting into this with you. Just making the point that it's actually quite out of character for him to miss easy opportunities and there's no guarantee anyone else would have buried those chances.
I certainly haven't tried to argue the overall performance was anything other than poor.
great work @NessunDorma
The stats seem to suggest we should be playing Mata in behind either Rooney or Welbeck with Januzaj and either Welbeck or Kagawa on the wings.
The stats seem to suggest we should be playing Mata in behind either Rooney or Welbeck with Januzaj and either Welbeck or Kagawa on the wings.
Talking about slagging some players off...
Some comments after the game:
his hold up skill is ridiculous
That was just on the first page after the game, and his form wasn't even good around those games.
In fairness streams are normally decent, but i could only find this one that I couldn't maximise, and had American commentators with stupid phrases like "shoot the pass".
Certainly couldn't see a bobble, did look a ridiculously pathetic shot though.
RvP has many fans on here and opinions in matchday threads are a shite way to judge anything. In other news...
These days there's loads of crystal clear HD Streams. I can usually get a better picture watching it on a stream than on TV.
You're better than that.
Well done you. Yer man I was replying to obviously can't.
I struggle too with non-televised games fwiw. Often watch crap streams. Curse of owning a mac.
I'm really not!
Anyway, I'm being pedantic. RvP did play better than Rooney when you compare the two performances. My only point was that it's foolish to assume he wouldn't have missed those chances.
Anyway, I'm being pedantic. RvP did play better than Rooney when you compare the two performances. My only point was that it's foolish to assume he wouldn't have missed those chances.
Rooney was really really bad against Bayern. That performance must be among the worst from a United striker in an European game. Ever. Feel free to remind me of worse performances than that. Rooney touched the ball several times in and around the penalty box and virtually every touch was pathetic.
He was a great player and will undoubtedly have some brilliant weeks and months in the remaining years of his career. But he has declined since the end of 2011. Personally, I'd be surprised if he ever plays again as well as he did in 2011.
He was a great player and will undoubtedly have some brilliant weeks and months in the remaining years of his career. But he has declined since the end of 2011. Personally, I'd be surprised if he ever plays again as well as he did in 2011.
That's a ludicrous claim. At the beginning of this very season he was playing some of the best football of his career.
I thought he worked very hard but his end product was more just at the pretty good level.
Strongly disagree with Pogue's claim. Statistically seen, in terms of assists, Rooney was quite good in the first half of this season, but not as good as he was in 2011. Rewatch Rooney's performances against Chelsea and Barcelona in the CL games (2011) and tell me he had such games this season.
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Productivity won't have been helped by almost everyone else around him being fairly dire.
He was great against Barcelona in the CL final in 2011 even though the rest of the team were poor. He was able to stand out. This year he was poor in most games against top sides excluding the game vs City away.
Was he? He scored a good goal but mostly I remember us getting dumped on for 80 minutes without touching the ball much.
Well yeah, but I think so often with Rooney his work rate masks a lack of real quality end product especially if the creative department when he's played as a number 10.
I think he was easily our best player in that game and created problems for Barca. The other United players weren't even remotely as good as Rooney. He stood out, IMO.
Bayern was a simple reflection on the fact that he's undroppable because of who he is, not based on what he can do.
We all know that unless he's completely 100% fit and on it, he's diabolically bad. He has many games a year like this but when he's injured even slightly he's miles worse than normal, always has been since day one of his United career. If you could put a quantifiable bet on at the bookies that he'd have a terrible game then you'd be rolling in the dough.
Should never have played and we all know it. Moyes should've too.
We all know that unless he's completely 100% fit and on it, he's diabolically bad. He has many games a year like this but when he's injured even slightly he's miles worse than normal, always has been since day one of his United career. If you could put a quantifiable bet on at the bookies that he'd have a terrible game then you'd be rolling in the dough.
Should never have played and we all know it. Moyes should've too.
I'm not a 'Persie hater', however, I think people are forgetting the chances RVP missed against Madrid last season.
I've no idea why Rooney is being blamed here unless the assumption is he forced Moyes to pick him. He wasn't fit and was in no condition to play a critical match at the Allianz where chances would be at a premium. We should have started with Welbeck on top and Kagawa as the No. 10 in behind him with Nani and Valencia on the wings. Instead Moyes chose to play Rooney struggling for fitness the full 90 because he's a big name. If Rooney demanded to play and Moyes acquiesced it looks bad and if Moyes started him because he thought he was fit and ready to go he looks bad. To me all of this comes back to Moyes and his stupidity in picking a big name over trusting his eyes and seeing that Rooney wasn't ready. He even had the chance to rectify the mistake at halftime or early in the second half and he failed to do so.
Not having that. Rooney should be held accountable for his missing of sitters, not his manager.
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