Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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German papers and some bundesliga footballers on twitter making bad jokes about Rooney's performances in those two games.

Not surprised, last year he left Madrid players baffled as well with what this big man with his big reputation served up.

I can think of 20 players more deserving of that 300k. Probably more.
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
I don't see it like this. ALL players are keen to play. I'm sure Lindegaard wanted to play too but it doesn't mean that Moyes selects him. It's not a case of 'Raise your hand if you want to play tomorrow'. Moyes' comments are demonstrating that he's not forcing Rooney to play on a injury, he's not pressuring him and infact Wayne was happy to take the injection.

If players can't be bothered playing a champions league quarter final they wouldn't be playing for Manchester United. Criticise his performance but don't criticise him for wanting to play every game, that's Rooney, he's never going to say 'nah don't fancy it boss'. That's just the way it is.
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That's pretty much my point, I am not blaming Rooney for wanting to play.
 
Amar__ said:
You quoted a guy who said that he wanted to play answering that he was asked to play. Seems to me that you are implying that he was pretty much forced to play.

And he didn't look injured from what I have saw. Players who struggle to kick a ball don't take set pieces and don't stay on the pitch for 90 minutes.
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I responded to someone saying I was trying to turn him into a martyr, which I wasn't.

Also, it was abundantly clear he was injured. You don't have an injection for the hell of it.

Surely if you've watched United for any period of time you can recognise what an injured Rooney performance looks like. Heavy legs, poor touch, sloppy on the ball and zero goal threat. Tonight was a textbook injured Rooney performance.
 
Carl said:
I responded to someone saying I was trying to turn him into a martyr, which I wasn't.

Also, it was abundantly clear he was injured. You don't have an injection for the hell of it.

Surely if you've watched United for any period of time you can recognise what an injured Rooney performance looks like. Heavy legs, poor touch, sloppy on the ball and zero goal threat. Tonight was a textbook injured Rooney performance.
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So he was injured at Old Trafford too?
 
Amar__ said:
So he was injured at Old Trafford too?
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I see what you did there.

However, whilst he wasn't great at OT he was alright. Nothing like tonight's completely apalling display.
 
Carl said:
Weird comment. That's not what I'm doing at all. I'm stating fact.

He's injured. Was asked to play. Did so.
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You said, "he has played through the pain for us"... I said, he played through the pain for himself. I don't see that as a weird comment at all, I'm stating fact.

Not slating Rooney at all here by the way, it's great that players want to play.
 
He was pants, you could argue he cost us the game tonight. But he was clearly not fit, probably shouldn't have started in the first place, but I doubt Moyes will dislodge his pet from the side.
 
I think this 300k/ week contract will prove to be an albatross that will ultimately cost Moyes his job.

United need to move beyond Rooney, and there will be little glory here until we do.
 
Fletcher and Rooney should have been subbed on the 60 min mark or when it went 1-1 but for some reason it never happened. Moyes also waited on Pep changing it then reacted it was there for him to take the initiative and he didn't.
 
What a joke of a performance from our best player of the season, no one saw this turd performance coming. Fans might complain about starting him when he wasn't fit but such a bad performance from wayne seemed totally out of the blue.
 
Just watched the highlights again and now I'm annoyed, again. He wasted two great chances. One he should've passed to Kagawa and the second he should've taken a fecking shot. Any half-decent shot from that distance would've likely resulted in a goal.

Oh well.
 
Moyes has been so busy sucking off Rooney the entire season that he's now too afraid to take him off when he's absolutely shit. Every single press conference we hear about Rooney this Rooney that with his grin.
 
Freak said:
Moyes has been so busy sucking off Rooney the entire season that he's now too afraid to take him off when he's absolutely shit. Every single press conference we hear about Rooney this Rooney that with his grin.
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Pretty much, and this has been going on from the start of the season. I really think that Moyes is pandering a bit too much to Rooney, and it is costing the team.

He was very poor, and should not have played the whole 90 minutes.
 
Shouldn't have played. I raise the concern over his fitness beforehand and he tends to play badly when he's not completely fit anyway. I don't see how Moyes can sit there seeing him struggle so much and still keep him on. Heck he even moved into midfield which was laughabl. This "heartbeat" bullshit has gone too far. A player who looks horribly out of touch for whatever reason is not "vital" on the night. He's a hindrance. Poor management.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Shouldn't have played. I raise the concern over his fitness beforehand and he tends to play badly when he's not completely fit anyway. I don't see how Moyes can sit there seeing him struggle so much and still keep him on. Heck he even moved into midfield which was laughabl. This "heartbeat" bullshit has gone too far. A player who looks horribly out of touch for whatever reason is not "vital" on the night. He's a hindrance. Poor management.
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In another words, he bottled it. Simple as that.
 
He shouldn't have played. Moyes has to ultimately be accountable for picking him and not subbing him off. Wayne has to be accountable for his performance too though. He was poor (over both legs really).
 
Hindsight. People would have freaked if he wouldnt have been in the starting line up. Should have gone off yes, but Moyes wanted him in midfield
 
Lets be honest Rooney was poor in the first leg aswell when he was fully fit playing at the top of his game. Every single person knows that when Rooney isnt 100% he is poor its ok against small team but when you come against the big boys you cant have any passengers yet he was exactly that all game. Moyes should have realised this.
 
I cant remember who said it but last night someone wrote that he is turning into our Terry. I must say, given everything that has happened since he was dropped for that Madrid game till now, that comment hit me like a slap in the face. Not necessarily from looking at last night's game in isolation, but in the context of the RVP situation as well, the arrival of Mata, how we fit all our players into the team. Rooney is one of our best players and he should play as much as possible but it is frightening to think we have a player who the manager may be afraid to drop when circumstances demand it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Has nobody watched the replay? There was a huge bobble as he was about to hit it. He probably thought Welbeck messed up the pass. He was wrong but the frustration was understandable.
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I didn't know that. However, I disagree that the frustration is understandable. People say that he's captain material; if so, don't let your anger/frustration out on a player who did exactly what he should have done. Rooney was rubbish, and when he is rubbish he tends to sulk and whine - that's not captain material to me. Lead by example, not by him and Moyes talking him up in the media.
 
Adebesi said:
I cant remember who said it but last night someone wrote that he is turning into our Terry. I must say, given everything that has happened since he was dropped for that Madrid game till now, that comment hit me like a slap in the face. Not necessarily from looking at last night's game in isolation, but in the context of the RVP situation as well, the arrival of Mata, how we fit all our players into the team. Rooney is one of our best players and he should play as much as possible but it is frightening to think we have a player who the manager may be afraid to drop when circumstances demand it.
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Hence why Ferguson was not a good, but a brilliant manager. Nobody is bigger than the club, but I'm afraid Moyes has made Rooney bigger than himself.
 
Rossa said:
Hence why Ferguson was not a good, but a brilliant manager. Nobody is bigger than the club, but I'm afraid Moyes has made Rooney bigger than himself.
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Not being funny but most of our players are 'bigger' than Moyes from a footballing viewpoint. He's just in awe of what he's come into and knows deep down that he shouldn't be here.
 
Sixpence said:
Not being funny but most of our players are 'bigger' than Moyes from a footballing viewpoint. He's just in awe of what he's come into and knows deep down that he shouldn't be here.
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I know, and unfortunately you are right. However, that's Moyes' problem. He should have the ball to dictate the team; it's not a democracy, is it? He needs to make difficult choices and stand by them - not say shit like "he desperately wanted to play".
 
Not defending him because he was rubbish but his main screw ups equate to Welbeck's miss in the 1st leg and to RVP's miss last year. We can blame individuals to an extent but until we develop a squad that can stand toe to toe with the top sides we are always going to end up rueing the 2 or 3 chances we create in a game while we get utterly dominated for the majority of it. Our forwards don't get the service they deserve in the big games and like it or nor every player misses big chances once in a while. The problem lies in only creating 4 or 5 chances a game which puts extra pressure on our players to be as clinical as possible.

Even the season after Ronaldo left we were able to old our own in a lot of games and Rooney produced the goods but we have gradually seen the gap between us and the other top sides grow and I think Rooney is the least of our worries in that regard at the moment.
 
Shinjisan said:
Giggs should have replaced him. We made only 2 subs in the game, which I thought was criminal.
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It is criminal, and in most matches it is criminal. In foresight, I said that it was criminal that Nani wasn't on the bench, and in hindsight it was. Giggs should have replaced Rooney - absolutely agree.
 
Rossa said:
Hence why Ferguson was not a good, but a brilliant manager. Nobody is bigger than the club, but I'm afraid Moyes has made Rooney bigger than himself.
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Its a learning curve though. I admit there are worrying signs in the way Moyes has handled the big players this season but this is something he could conceivably feel more confident dealing with next season once he has moved a few players on and brought some new faces in - made the squad "his own", in other words. Not saying he will improve in this area, but this was always going to be one of the biggest challenges he faced making a step up to a club of our size. Ill reserve judgement on it until next season: when last summer I advocated judging Moyes on his second season, this was pretty much Exhibit A in terms of things I felt he would need a season to get to grips with.
 
kidbob said:
Not defending him because he was rubbish but his main screw ups equate to Welbeck's miss in the 1st leg and to RVP's miss last year. We can blame individuals to an extent but until we develop a squad that can stand toe to toe with the top sides we are always going to end up rueing the 2 or 3 chances we create in a game while we get utterly dominated for the majority of it. Our forwards don't get the service they deserve in the big games and like it or nor every player misses big chances once in a while. The problem lies in only creating 4 or 5 chances a game which puts extra pressure on our players to be as clinical as possible.

Even the season after Ronaldo left we were able to old our own in a lot of games and Rooney produced the goods but we have gradually seen the gap between us and the other top sides grow and I think Rooney is the least of our worries in that regard at the moment.
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Sure, but part of that problem is Rooney. Someone said that Rooney has the best technique in the squad, which is rubbish. Look at Kagawa yesterday and Rooney. They are miles apart in the build-up. If Rooney's part was to be an out-and-out striker, that would be fine, but when he's part of the build-up and constantly gives the ball away, then he's becoming part of the problem that's not providing the service the forwards, in this case Welbeck, deserves.
 
Rossa said:
I know, and unfortunately you are right. However, that's Moyes' problem. He should have the ball to dictate the team; it's not a democracy, is it? He needs to make difficult choices and stand by them - not say shit like "he desperately wanted to play".
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Yeah but how can he tell players that have won everything in the game what to do, when he has won nothing? It's a bit petty but it's just beyond me how that conversation would go, and surely the players are thinking the same. How can he think his methods are successful when he's never had success.
 
Adebesi said:
Its a learning curve though. I admit there are worrying signs in the way Moyes has handled the big players this season but this is something he could conceivably feel more confident dealing with next season once he has moved a few players on and brought some new faces in - made the squad "his own", in other words. Not saying he will improve in this area, but this was always going to be one of the biggest challenges he faced making a step up to a club of our size. Ill reserve judgement on it until next season: when last summer I advocated judging Moyes on his second season, this was pretty much Exhibit A in terms of things I felt he would need a season to get to grips with.
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I agree with this, and I too want to give him another season - at least give him till Christmas. However, he mustn't go to the media and spout shit like Fergie too would have struggled with this squad... Too many stupid comments to the media.
 
Sixpence said:
Yeah but how can he tell players that have won everything in the game what to do, when he has won nothing? It's a bit petty but it's just beyond me how that conversation would go, and surely the players are thinking the same. How can he think his methods are successful when he's never had success.
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True that, but he could say that based on you having an injury and Hernandez playing brilliantly last match, I'm not going to start you for this one. You need balls for that, but it has nothing to do with who won what - it's a legit argument based on observation and facts.
 
It's become to that stage where he has become bigger than the club by now. He really has Moyes grabbed by the bollocks, he shouldn't have been on the pitch on the first place yesterday and should have been subbed off when he served up that shit on a plate performance but Moyes had no guts to do that at all. We paid £300,000 a week for a passenger who turns up against the small boys in the Premier League, but bottles it against Munich when we needed him the most.
 
Rossa said:
It is criminal, and in most matches it is criminal. In foresight, I said that it was criminal that Nani wasn't on the bench, and in hindsight it was. Giggs should have replaced Rooney - absolutely agree.
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Squad rotation and not making proper substitutions has been my biggest gripes with Moyes so far. He needs to learn that quickly if he is to succeed at this club.
 
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Rossa said:
True that, but he could say that based on you having an injury and Hernandez playing brilliantly last match, I'm not going to start you for this one. You need balls for that, but it has nothing to do with who won what - it's a legit argument based on observation and facts.
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He's scared of the consequences of not playing Rooney, whether Rooney would turn against him. As there were rumours that Rooney was one of the few players Moyes could rely on. And Rooney has history of denying injuries as well remember. Moyes is scared of everything, that's his problem.

For the record, I don't think it would have been much different if Hernandez started, his first touch is usually pretty poor too.
 
Rossa said:
I agree with this, and I too want to give him another season - at least give him till Christmas. However, he mustn't go to the media and spout shit like Fergie too would have struggled with this squad... Too many stupid comments to the media.
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That was quite possibly the most ill advised and astonishing thing I can remember him saying this season. People have been very quick to jump down his throat at times this season after pretty much every interview and he has been unfairly criticised plenty of times, but that was just complete nonsense, even if he really believes it he should have kept it to himself.
 
Rossa said:
Sure, but part of that problem is Rooney. Someone said that Rooney has the best technique in the squad, which is rubbish. Look at Kagawa yesterday and Rooney. They are miles apart in the build-up. If Rooney's part was to be an out-and-out striker, that would be fine, but when he's part of the build-up and constantly gives the ball away, then he's becoming part of the problem that's not providing the service the forwards, in this case Welbeck, deserves.
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I agree his technique isn't the best in the squad. For me he isn't part of the problem because he should be playing up front in games of this magnitude. It's fine having him at number 10 for the vast majority of games but the problem is we don't have a midfield that can even get us a 45% share of possession (something we achieved against Barca in 09) in the bigger games. It puts added pressure on players if they know their team are under the cosh and there will be more likelihood of screwing up chances like the examples I gave from our games against Bayern and Real. If Rooney was unfit for this game like we know he was then surely Welbeck should have played the 10 role to put less pressure on Rooney's injury. The positive is that Mata will be available for that position in the future in Europe.

I'm probably being too kind to Rooney but I have stopped expecting us to pull things from the hat these days and you need Chelsea levels of luck to pull off wins when you concede a game before you even kick a ball because it's obvious your team ain't good enough to do more than hold on for dear life. Considering the bobble the ball took for his best chance we just didn't have the luck needed. The one positive is that Bayern weren't in a great position a few years back but with the right changes made they are now the World's best team. If Rooney is better as a striker he should be played there and if Moyes can improve our midfield I'm confident we would see more of the Rooney against Milan from a few years back.

As others have said too Moyes should have not played him or taken him off earlier in the game because we shouldn't have players playing a full match like this with injections and you can't blame Rooney for saying he would play, it's the manager's decision ultimately. Not blaming Moyes for his performance but it's another sign that he doesn't have the courage or know how for this level of football.
 
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