£300,000 a week allegedly.......worth every penny.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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He clearly took the wrong injection
Wasn't fit but still had to play him when we're also withou say he should've been subbed but dropping back into midfield in place of Fletcher still allowed him to spray the ball around.
Are you kidding, you think Rooney wasn't chomping at the bit? I don't see any reason for Rooney not wanting to play. In fact, I think he'd be more likely to sulk big time despite the injury. To not play him would be the brave decision, to sub him when he evidently couldn't perform likewise. He didn't lose us the tie, no one player did. But it's fair game to criticise some of the decisions.
Overall, not terrible.
But no manager seems to trust Wayne as a striker in these games, they'd prefer to play the likes of Welbeck instead, surely there's something in that?
As a lone striker RVP is superb & his hold up play can't be matched by anyone at the club, not even close. So come these types of games again what will happen if we sell RVP? Because he was injured today & the manager still didn't think he'd do enough as the lone forward??
Looks like me accidentally pressing pass button instead of shoot in FIFA.
Whatever it was, that might be the worst I've seen him play. Whether or not he was unfit is irrelevant when reviewing a performance.
Watch him go and have a terrible World Cup now just to seal the deal.
Watch him go and have a terrible World Cup now just to seal the deal.
I'm angry and confused.
Moyes is scared of his players. Of course Rooney will have wanted to play, but if he is not fit, it is wrong to play him, and risk the aggravating the injury and harming the team's chance. Moyes was similarly scared of van Persie when he admitted he wasn't fully fit but chose not to take him off in a match earlier this season because it would apparently upset the player and the fans.
I think they'd rather Rooney play deeper where he can influence the game more and for his work rate. He was a lone striker in 09/10 and a good bit in 11/12 and scored 34 goals both seasons. Welbeck was played further up because of his pace and to be a poacher basically. Not saying it was a right or wrong decision, but I don't think it's because Rooney wasn't trusted further up.
Yes there are people slagging him off for that chance, but there are some of us who look at his overall performances in games like this when he's not done enough to justify 30k per week, let alone 300k. Its frustrating to see David Moyes contstantly pandering to him, especially when I've grown up watching Ferguson squash player power my whole life.
Well going on the last time we played him injured, against Bayern, just before a wc, we should see some good performances in January 2015
Yes he should've been subbed off but people are crucifying him for a bad game when he's been one of the very few this season who has played well. Really don't care what he's paid either, we're better off with him then without him.
So what happens next season in the same game with no RVP?
Who plays as the striker?
I personally think they don't think he holds the ball up anywhere near well enough in the big games and that's why they don't want him to play there in these games, RVP is one of the best around at that very job, hence I think it'd be idiotic to sell him. There's a reason SAF bought RVP you know.
I had those concerns before the game but I was under the impression that it was something other than a bruised toe. It's not that serious. People play with injection with more severe ailments. I don't see it as some glorified sacrifice. He was desperate to play, he was in no way risking his career and he's not exactly under pressure to play the rest of our meaningless league games. He did what any player would do. It's just that we shouldn't have called upon him or at least taken him off when it was clear he was offering us a quarter of his best.
It is not arguable at all. Somehow he always get mentioned as a world class player and one of the best in the world, despite that in most of the years of his career he hasn't been even in top 10 in the league. Also, when he is off form (or semi injured) he is really shit.
I honestly don't believe that. That opinion is again, based on the fact that Manchester United have often done ok after getting rid of bigger players.
Well we won't be in the champions league next season...
But Mata will be the undisputed #10, Kagawa hopefully a key player on the left, and then 2 seasons from now who knows who will play up front. Welbeck might reach the next level and become a top, top player, in which case he'd be able to replace Rooney who'd be aging.
And yet you think the opposite for RVP.... go figure.
Well we won't be in the champions league next season...
But Mata will be the undisputed #10, Kagawa hopefully a key player on the left, and then 2 seasons from now who knows who will play up front.
Who will play up front in 3 seasons? 3 season is a long way away, so much can happen between now and then, it's a strange way to look at it in my opinion.
Fwiw I think RVP will still be a cracking player aged 34.
Awful performance. Have to wonder if he was really in a fit state to play.
Europe must be pissing themselves that United are paying him 300K pw after watching that. In a game when you need your big players to come through he was shocking tonight. The white pele? never has a nickname been so incorrect.
Ok, setting aside his miss at 1-1, what the feck was he doing with that early chance in the box as well? World class, my arse.
If we were at the same situation as last summer, but add in Mata, then I'd probably take RVP. But Rooney extended his contract for 5 years, which changes everything. Rooney also IMO links up a bit better with the people behind him then RVP, and generally there's not a huge amount between them. Taking everything into account, we're better off with just 1 of them. Rooney isn't going anywhere as well.
I do wonder if some of you boys watch United at all.
Couldn't disagree more, I was a huge fan of RVP at Arsenal and he does that much better than Wayne, I personally can't wait to see RVP link up with Kagawa and Mata.
And I disagree that you judge your players on "length of contract".
Rooney could have scored and it would still be a joke that he's paid so much
Not sure if he's got much longer then 2 or 3 years left though, it all depends on how he deals with injuries. If he stays at the club, and gets back to last seasons level then fair enough, I just hope it isn't at the expense of playing Mata at #10 (the real reason why I'd rather sell one of the strikers).
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Agree with this. Both Rooney in this match and Van Persie against Newcastle earlier in the season, were so far below their normal level that you'd think that it would be clear in training that they were nowhere near being fit enough to play.
In that case I'd personally keep both next season and see who can do the lone striker job best, sell the one who isn't happy in Jan or end at the end of the season. Seems like common sense to me.
Fergie would have flogged him in the summer....and tonight we were playing him, injured, in our biggest game of the season
4 people have voted for him as our man of the match in the home page poll 
Which game were they watching?
Which game were they watching?
Well that'd be the ideal scenario obviously. Can you realistically see Moyes doing that? He seems a bit of a pussy really and will just play all the big names rather then what's better for the team.
RVP-Mata>Rooney-Mata>>>>>>>>>>>>>RVP-Rooney
You can replace Mata with Kagawa, both are still better for the team overall then Rooney behind RVP. I just don't think Moyes has the balls to drop one of them.
Not sure why anyone is blaming Rooney. He doesn't pick the team and has played through the pain for is. He hasn't trained, is carrying an injury and was shit. That happens. What annoys me is leaving him on the pitch despite being a total liability because it's Rooney.
I understand why Moyes took the gamble but I don't understand why he left him on past the 1st half.
I understand why Moyes took the gamble but I don't understand why he left him on past the 1st half.
Then don't sell either, just sack the under-performing shite manager of ours.
I completely agree with your point bosnian by the way.
Moyes on injured Rooney: "I felt at times tonight he was having a struggle striking the ball (cleanly) but he's such a vital player for us".
Makes sense keeping on a striker who was struggling with, you know, striking the ball.
Makes sense keeping on a striker who was struggling with, you know, striking the ball.
Let's not turn him into some kind of martyr here Carl.
He played because he wanted to play.
vomit.
More than just shite today! He really should be taking more responsibility in big European games, if not now in his peak years when then? And that miss, really pathetic. But hey, at least he took an injection which shows how much football and this club means to him! He can have bad games, but he is regularly having bad games in Europe against tier 1 opposition. If that was however Welbeck he would be called a nothing player and if it was RvP ppl would be starting various threads about selling him and how he doesn't care.
On his day he is a really good player, but can't remember defining moments from him in the CL against tier 1 opposition apart from against Milan a couple of times. Even in our best years in 2008 and 2009 usually Ronaldo and Tevez were involved in our most defining moments in Europe.
If we had a manager with balls, like Klopp, van Gaal or Simeone, Rooney would need to step up his game a couple of levels in order to be played regularly, but with Moyes I feel he will always play whenever he wants it, even if out of form or injured.
On his day he is a really good player, but can't remember defining moments from him in the CL against tier 1 opposition apart from against Milan a couple of times. Even in our best years in 2008 and 2009 usually Ronaldo and Tevez were involved in our most defining moments in Europe.
If we had a manager with balls, like Klopp, van Gaal or Simeone, Rooney would need to step up his game a couple of levels in order to be played regularly, but with Moyes I feel he will always play whenever he wants it, even if out of form or injured.
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