Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Disgraceful today - worst player on the pitch. We are the laughing stock of the world having a number 10 who can't control the ball. Top class finisher, worse than charlie adam at #10.

Again today, like so so many times, the onus falls on our #10 to be our main creative player and his first touch he can't even control the ball. One of the wierdest situations in world football going on here
 
Sure he mis-controlled the ball a few times and lost it, but I felt watching the game that he was the only real player we had out there that was trying to stamp his mark on the game and make things actually happen. He wasn’t at his best, but he was far from bad as well, at least in comparison to the other players on the pitch (I’d actually say he was one of the better players out there). I would prefer to have him out there as even when it isn’t working he is getting on the ball and trying to do things. Far better than having players that just vanish when things are not working for them
 
lol the way we go back and forth on Rooney is incredible. one day he's the player to take this club forward, the next, he just aint cut out for it. one thing I've seen some ardent Rooney fans argue is that even if Rooney is having a poor game he never shies away and that's why he's more valued than RvP. However, imo, I think this leads to some of the issues we saw yesterday. He wants to get involved and drive the team forward which is great but when you play an errant pass close to the halfway line leading to Liverpool going on the break, you're not really helping the cause.

It's in games like this I just feel he tries too hard and it ends up spoiling any good work he accomplishes in the game. He had some very good moments and was definitely fired up for it. But his decision-making didn't show the type of quality we know he has. It's why i keep getting frustrated with him. It's great he wants to help out the team and drive us forward but he needs to rein it in or he's going to keep gassing himself and end up being a hindrance. There was one time where liverpool started to break from their half and Rooney was just jogging back into position. Thought it was mostly fatigue as he put a lot of effort into the game. Sir Alex and Rene mentioned the need for Rooney to be more effective in attacking areas rather than be all over the place. Moyes wanting Rooney to get his aggression back brings some positives but if he's not managing his energy well when he's out there, how can be most effective for us? Perhaps I'm reading too much into his performance yesterday but that's what I gleaned from it.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
At least he shows some desire unlike some of the spineless wankers we have
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But even his "desire" was in spurts yesterday. A lot of the time he just looked half asleep... with his off-ball movement being non-existant.

Still, having desire in spurts is more then most our players at the moment.
 
He may not have had his best game yesterday, but he and Rafael seemed the only people in our team busting their asses to try and turn the game around. If the others showed the same commitment we may have started getting a foot in the game.
 
He has been awful for 3-4 months now. Can't really solely blame him though, the team around him has been horrendous.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
Again today, like so so many times, the onus falls on our #10 to be our main creative player and his first touch he can't even control the ball. One of the wierdest situations in world football going on here
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Some here can never be satisifed. Despite his lapses in control, he was still way better than most others. Worst player on the pitch? Seriously OTT!

We must be the only #10 in the world who needs to help in defence and create at the same time. If he stuck positions similar to other #10's and not help out as much as he does, we would be more awful that we are now....and yes, that is possible!
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Some here can never be satisifed. Despite his lapses in control, he was still way better than most others. Worst player on the pitch? Seriously OTT!

We must be the only #10 in the world who needs to help in defence and create at the same time. If he stuck positions similar to other #10's and not help out as much as he does, we would be more awful that we are now....and yes, that is possible!
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He's not a number 10 though, he's a striker who drops deep and is very inconsistent with his general play. It costs us as a team when he's having an off day.
 
finneh said:
He has been awful for 3-4 months now. Can't really solely blame him though, the team around him has been horrendous.
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Yeah, he's been poor since he returned from injury. It's hard to judge the players accurately given the general ineptitude of our all round play though.
 
Ish84045 said:
Not worth the money he's being paid tbh. We should use either him or RvP as a CF. On current form, that'll be Rooney because RvP's been horse shit.
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I fear Rooney might look the same if he's brought forward to a CF role. Most frustrating role on our team right now.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Some here can never be satisifed. Despite his lapses in control, he was still way better than most others. Worst player on the pitch? Seriously OTT!

We must be the only #10 in the world who needs to help in defence and create at the same time. If he stuck positions similar to other #10's and not help out as much as he does, we would be more awful that we are now....and yes, that is possible!
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Rooney is our highest paid player, he is supposed to be the best player in one of the best teams in the world. Does he reach that status in your eyes?

It is of course not Rooneys fault, he is a striker and nothing else. Moyes is the one choosing to play him out of position - which means we are paying for Rooney the striker but using Rooney the number 10.

If you look at the number 10's in the top clubs you realize Rooney who is supposed to be our biggest competitive advantage as a club - is still worse than what the other clubs has.

Chelsea - Oscar(Rotation - Schurrle, Willian, Hazard, Ramires)
City - David Silva, Sergio Aguero
Bayern - Kroos, Götze, Thiago, Muller
Barcelona - Iniesta

Rooney would be a bench-warmer as a number 10 in all other top clubs because he isn't good enough. Rooney as a striker would get in plenty of teams though.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Some here can never be satisifed. Despite his lapses in control, he was still way better than most others. Worst player on the pitch? Seriously OTT!

We must be the only #10 in the world who needs to help in defence and create at the same time. If he stuck positions similar to other #10's and not help out as much as he does, we would be more awful that we are now....and yes, that is possible!
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He has plenty of great attributes. But the point is, we're playing our biggest rivals and Rooney is playing in the position where the responsibility is on him to create something, and time and time again he creates close to nothing. IMO there's a reason SAF didn't give him much creative responsibility. I dream of a future where the main creative responsibility is on a far more creative player
 
Annahnomoss said:
Rooney is our highest paid player, he is supposed to be the best player in one of the best teams in the world. Does he reach that status in your eyes?

It is of course not Rooneys fault, he is a striker and nothing else. Moyes is the one choosing to play him out of position - which means we are paying for Rooney the striker but using Rooney the number 10.

If you look at the number 10's in the top clubs you realize Rooney who is supposed to be our biggest competitive advantage as a club - is still worse than what the other clubs has.

Chelsea - Oscar(Rotation - Schurrle, Willian, Hazard, Ramires)
City - David Silva, Sergio Aguero
Bayern - Kroos, Götze, Thiago, Muller
Barcelona - Iniesta

Rooney would be a bench-warmer as a number 10 in all other top clubs because he isn't good enough. Rooney as a striker would get in plenty of teams though.
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Yeah this is basically what I'm trying to say. Too many of our attacks break down because the ball is played into him and he instantly loses it. He's a great finisher, great at beating a man, good movement, good technique, terrific player ... but jesus his one weakness is what we need, someone to be a focal point for our attacks
 
Amir said:
I fear Rooney might look the same if he's brought forward to a CF role. Most frustrating role on our team right now.
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Yeah, I still think that the team, overall, will benefit with either Rooney or RvP up top and someone like Mata/Kagawa in behind. At the moment we're just not creating anything.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Rooney is our highest paid player, he is supposed to be the best player in one of the best teams in the world. Does he reach that status in your eyes?

It is of course not Rooneys fault, he is a striker and nothing else. Moyes is the one choosing to play him out of position - which means we are paying for Rooney the striker but using Rooney the number 10.

If you look at the number 10's in the top clubs you realize Rooney who is supposed to be our biggest competitive advantage as a club - is still worse than what the other clubs has.

Chelsea - Oscar(Rotation - Schurrle, Willian, Hazard, Ramires)
City - David Silva, Sergio Aguero
Bayern - Kroos, Götze, Thiago, Muller
Barcelona - Iniesta

Rooney would be a bench-warmer as a number 10 in all other top clubs because he isn't good enough. Rooney as a striker would get in plenty of teams though.
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@Crashoutcassius

Can't disagree, but this is the same point, I'm trying to argue with a different lens!

Play him as a striker and if he doesn't deliver, slate him. If Kagawa doesn't perform, he is played out of position. If Mata is not having a impact he is wasted out of position out wide. They all have excuses but the same does not apply for Rooney. In fact he is not even playing as a #10. More like a attacking CM.

Don't you think it's too much to ask a single player to support defence as CM, create chances as AM and score at par with forwards as a striker?

Yes, he is not a AM. So why is he not being stopped from playing as one? Do you think Januzaj - Mata - Nani as front 3 playing behind RvP is any better? We'd get raped, imo.

Despite being played out of position, where his talents and what we pay him for are not utilised, it is obvious that his contribution to midfield support is far vital than as a pure AM or a striker to the team now. It's not as if he is a in bad form. Why blame him if the rest of team is shite and the manager misuses him?
 
I will struggle to warm to Rooney as captain (which I'm sure Moyes will give him if he stays). I cannot believe we have pandered to him and offered this extorinate amount of money. He is a good player but not worth what we are giving him. He either needs to play up top or shifted to the left allowing for Mata/Kagawa to play in behind.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
Yeah this is basically what I'm trying to say. Too many of our attacks break down because the ball is played into him and he instantly loses it. He's a great finisher, great at beating a man, good movement, good technique, terrific player ... but jesus his one weakness is what we need, someone to be a focal point for our attacks
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was the only one that noticed our players were taking too much time on the ball?
 
Too many of our attacks die because he constantly plays a slow cross field pass thinking he is Scholes. With Scholes his passing was a lot faster to the wide men and less predictable.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
Yeah this is basically what I'm trying to say. Too many of our attacks break down because the ball is played into him and he instantly loses it. He's a great finisher, great at beating a man, good movement, good technique, terrific player ... but jesus his one weakness is what we need, someone to be a focal point for our attacks
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You appear to contradict your self.
At 28 he has already lost the burst of acceleration to actually consistently beat a player as well as losing at least a yard of pace. His all around technical ability is distinctly average.
 
This should goes in the unpopular view thread, but I believe running around all across the pitch is detrimental and counter productive to a good system.

Messi are given a free license to roam, but he made them intelegently, he doesn't simply roam around to midfield disrupting the balance of the midfield, he pick an empty space or the opposition weak link to exploit.

Rooney, imo is just about running all over the space demanding for balls (while generally it's a good thing), he vacates the position he should be at (front)
 
psychdelicblues said:
You appear to contradict your self.
At 28 he has ALREADY lost the burst of acceleration to actually consistently beat a player as well as losing at least a yard of pace. His all around technical ability is distinctly average.
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Not many players at 28 are as quick as they're in their teens. He naturally has a stocky build and that also hasn't helped.
 
Sky1981 said:
This should goes in the unpopular view thread, but I believe running around all across the pitch is detrimental and counter productive to a good system.

Messi are given a free license to roam, but he made them intelegently, he doesn't simply roam around to midfield disrupting the balance of the midfield, he pick an empty space or the opposition weak link to exploit.

Rooney, imo is just about running all over the space demanding for balls (while generally it's a good thing), he vacates the position he should be at (front)
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Agreed. Hence why Rooneys best season 09/10 when he stayed striker. He's just a very inconsistent number 10.
 
Sky1981 said:
This should goes in the unpopular view thread, but I believe running around all across the pitch is detrimental and counter productive to a good system.

Messi are given a free license to roam, but he made them intelegently, he doesn't simply roam around to midfield disrupting the balance of the midfield, he pick an empty space or the opposition weak link to exploit.

Rooney, imo is just about running all over the space demanding for balls (while generally it's a good thing), he vacates the position he should be at (front)
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I suspect part of that is because Messi trusts Xavi and Iniesta to control the game a lot more than Rooney trusts Carrick and Fellaini. The evidence this season suggests he's more than happy to stand up top hanging around the box alongside van Persie (also to the detriment of the team)..
 
Brwned said:
I suspect part of that is because Messi trusts Xavi and Iniesta to control the game a lot more than Rooney trusts Carrick and Fellaini. The evidence this season suggests he's more than happy to stand up top hanging around the box alongside van Persie (also to the detriment of the team)..
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While it's true that Carrick is no Xavi, I can also says wayne is no Messi

He cant' simply think he's better than Carrick, step into his area, and demand the job taken from him (by asking for a ball), it's kinda like saying carrick's not doing his job
 
Sky1981 said:
While it's true that Carrick is no Xavi, I can also says wayne is no Messi

He cant' simply think he's better than Carrick, step into his area, and demand the job taken from him (by asking for a ball), it's kinda like saying carrick's not doing his job
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He isn't doing his job this season though.
 
Just saw this: :eek:

Wayne Rooney's last goal at Old Trafford came on October 26. Since then, 22 players have scored there:


UNITED: Javier Hernandez (4), Danny Welbeck (3), Robin van Persie (3), Ashley Young (2), Phil Jones (2), Fabio, Michael Carrick, Antonio Valencia, Jonny Evans, Adnan Januzaj.


OPPONENTS: Gerrard (Liverpool, 2) Oviedo (Everton), Cabaye (Newcastle), C Cole (West Ham), Adebayor, Eriksen (Tottenham), Routledge, Bony (Swansea), Bardsley (Sunderland), Sidwell, Bent (Fulham), Suarez (Liverpool).
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That's a long period, especially for a player that is rated so high because of his goals.

Anyway, let's hope he scores tonight.
 
Another assist in the Champions League.

Really need him to improve his overall sharpness - still lacking in this regard.
 
Tonight just showed how important Rooney is to us. Gave the ball a couple of times and his touches were inconsistent but he was heavily involved in the goals we scored. Covered everything left,right and center and showed the desire and spirit that was required. He may be paid a bit too much but he's a special player who I'm glad plays for us.
 
We need him to play deep like that for the rest of the season, it holds the team together and compensates for our lack of midfield quality.
 
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