Rooney's stats for today:
Passing accuracy: 89%
Key passes: 4
Touches: 67
Assists: 1
Goals: 1
http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/72...3-2014-West-Bromwich-Albion-Manchester-United
But 'he was crap', they say.
Did you watch the fukcing match or what?
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Did you watch the fukcing match or what?
Rooney's stats for today:
Passing accuracy: 89%
Key passes: 4
Touches: 67
Assists: 1
Goals: 1
http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/72...3-2014-West-Bromwich-Albion-Manchester-United
But 'he was crap', they say.
Stats doe.
Did you watch the fukcing match or what?
Yes I 'fecking' did. And he was far from crap. In the first 60 or so minutes he was generally solid. Did his hard work when he had to, generally kept things simple, and just kept plugging away in an attcking sense. Eventually, that plugging wore West Brom down, and he got himself a goal and an assist, created 3 other goal scoring chances, and had an excellent pass success rate.
That simply is not a 'crap' performance. And as I said, the only reason certain people are suggesting otherwise is because they ride Rooney's arse harder than pretty much any other players in the league.
The stats are just to quantify what I saw with my own eyes. That he rarely gave the ball away, that he created goal scoring opportunities for others, that he scored a goal for himself, and that - while this isn't measured in the stats i've highlighted - he did an awful lot of unselfish defensive work as well.
That is unambiguously *not* a 'poor all around performance'.
It genuinely seems that some people on here enjoy watching Rooney not playing excellently just to give an excuse to blast him.
I don't see them slate the other players who play poorly.
I don't see them slate the other players who play poorly.
Stats can be misleading though. They don't prove a player had a poor game/great game IMO. It's subjective - it's your opinion. Stats enhance an argument, but the way you used them doesn't do much to support your viewpoint. By the same logic, I can say Carrick was very good today and pull up his passing and interception stats, but does that mean he had a very good game?
Lots of people on here, when it comes to Rooney, have very high expectations of him. I maintain that if he scores/assists at the rate of a £300,000-a-week player should, then I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his performances. However, the fact still remains that when Van Persie and Rooney have played together this season, in some games they have had an annoying tendency of sticking to each other (look at today's game for example) and make the same runs/movement. To clarify, I didn't think he was influential before Van Persie went off, I did think he was poor, but maybe that's down to my expectations. Others will differ.
he had an average match. typical Rooney goal.
no complaints.
no complaints.
Well Carrick was by no means poor either, and you'll notice that I haven't actually said Rooney was 'very good'. I'm just disputing that his all around game was below par, because it quite clearly wasn't.
And i've a hunch that if a certain Japanese playmaker had put in the exact same one, half of the people slating Rooney now would be wetting their pants about it.
It's subjective. I thought Carrick was decent at best, but I'm trying to prove to you that stats can be used in the manner that I showed you.
If Kagawa played like Rooney did after Van Persie went off, then he would receive the same praise (possible more).
That is an extremely imaginative fabrication of what happened. Yes, it was all his "plugging away" that did it, not Rafael, Mata, Welbeck etc.He wasn't anywhere near his 'bottom level', for sure. He played well after Van Persie went off but was anonymous for the entire duration of the game until then.
Rooney looks a lot better in the number 10 role when the opposition are pushing forwards and we have plenty of space to play in on the counter.
He looks less effective in the hole when the opposition are parking the bus.
He looks less effective in the hole when the opposition are parking the bus.
So Rooney deserves no credit for the one goal he scored (in which he was involved in the build up as well), and the one he created with a clever little through ball?
There is absolutely no 'imaginative fabrication' in what I said at all. He kept plugging away and got his rewards. That's a fact.
I didn't think he was poor at all. I thought he was pretty good most of the match, and excellent in the last 20mns. Also, for all the lambasting of his 'awful first touch and short passing', he was often involved in our more intricate moments of play. That pass to Welbeck for the goal was absolute sex.
I'm sure people will try and refute your post with a well argued '
'.But I think it's they who are exaggerating how poor he was, rather than us exaggerating how good he was.
Some of them are absolutely determined not to give him credit, and even when they do, you can tell it's extremely begrudging.
Listen sunshine, literally no-one has said he doesn't deserve credit for his own contributions in the form of the goal, the assist, and the all-round good team play he was involved in after the substitution. You on the other hand suggested that the goal and the team's improvement/good play after the substitution was primarily down to Rooney "plugging away in an attacking sense", which is nonsense and ignores the contributions of everyone else.
I haven't argued that he was crap overall. I was laughing at your feigned surprise as to why people were disappointed with much of his game today, and your attempt to deflect it all with a bunch of stats was funny.
Great players can play like shite and produce moments of magic and that's what Rooney has done.
His goal showcased how he should play as a no.10. Doesn't do enough of those intelligent and well-timed runs for me.
Wayne Rooney is the first player in PL history to record double figures for both goals & assists in five seasons
Well played Wayne, you shit bastard.
Well played Wayne, you shit bastard.
But plenty of people have said his all around game was poor/shit/etc, and that is what I was disputing.
The common denominator in two our of three goals was Rooney, so it isn't unreasonable to say that he deserves a lions share of the credit. And his constant pressing, overlapping runs, runs into space, etc, will have worn the West Brom defence down. It's no coincidence that the goals came later in the game. But okay, he doesn't deserve sole credit, and perhaps the sentence was badly phrased,
You can't possibly know whether my surprise was 'feigned' or not. And it simply wasn't. I was genuinely surprised to see him being criticised for a performance in which he made two decisive contributions, and in which he didn't do much wrong. The 'bunch of stats' were intended to highlight that. He rarely gave the ball away, he created goal scoring chances, he assisted a goal, and he scored a goal.
His assist too
He was fine. If he has a goal and assist in every game which equals to a poor performance in some of your eyes, i'll take that every single time
I thought he was alright today, came to life when the game was won though imo. Wouldn't read too much in to the change when RVP went off, thought our play in the last twenty mins or so was a result of the goal killing West Broms confidence and raising ours with the second really sealing it.
He was working really hard today which is good to see. The thing with Rooney is he undoubtedly puts up the numbers but sometimes I feel anyway that he could do more to get more out of the team. He just for me lacks one key part to playing the role he does and its picking the ball up in a deep, congested area and working his way out of it. Too often he either struggles and looses/passes back or wants to switch it wide, where with januzaj/mata etc they want to be coming inside. There's no reason with his strength he can't turn players better than he does and I think it would add a lot to the team.
He was working really hard today which is good to see. The thing with Rooney is he undoubtedly puts up the numbers but sometimes I feel anyway that he could do more to get more out of the team. He just for me lacks one key part to playing the role he does and its picking the ball up in a deep, congested area and working his way out of it. Too often he either struggles and looses/passes back or wants to switch it wide, where with januzaj/mata etc they want to be coming inside. There's no reason with his strength he can't turn players better than he does and I think it would add a lot to the team.
Now one goal behind third place Jack Rowley's 211 in all comps and in 6th, six goals behind Joe Spence (158) for league goals.
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So, when will he actually start to perform like at least 150k pw player?
I dont know, but not today. The part after his decent effort at the end of the half sums up what I dislike about him playing as a second striker or in the hole. The shot was saved, he had another go, blocked and he's unlucky and he has the ball again. Our £38 million record signing Juan Mata is in acres of space to his left, he's screaming for the ball and its a simple pass for someone of Rooney's quality. Like always he runs towards the right back into the congested area and tries to play in Rafael and loses the ball.
You can pass the ball to the left Wayne. It is allowed.
You can pass the ball to the left Wayne. It is allowed.
Only de Gea has worst passing accuracy than him in the first half btw.
Still arguing with the refree. Nice!
Still better than RVP and especially Mata.
Why? They have all been crap.
Because he's had some kind of impact on the game unlike the other two who've been anonymous.
His impact has been to give the ball away almost every time he has it.
If you are selectively blind then yes, that's the only impact he has had.
Both RVP and Mata suffer because of Rooney. Mata is forced to the left, and RVP has his position crowded by Rooney as he pushes too far up. RVP even complained about this after Olympiakos.
Even when he's trying to track back he costs us by giving the ball away in stupid dangerous positions.
Still causing problems by being deployed to far forward [an his insistence or the manager's], that has been the most important impact today.
Nonsense. He's had our only shot on target and created our best chance of the game which RVP missed. RVP was talking complete rubbish. You don't see Suarez and Sturridge complaining about them getting in each others position, because that's called movement.
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