Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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I don't watch England but every time they play all I ever hear from people is that he was average and nothing more?
 
He was gash and we looked miles better when him and Wilshere went off. We were more unpredictable.

If he's fit and in form you can't really leave him out though, it's up to Hodgson to find out where to play him. Possibly in Wilshere's spot if he doesn't book his ideas up, I think Welbeck deserves a spot in the side. He's done nothing wrong for England.
 
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Totally agree. I am a big Rooney fan but these days he is slow. When Welbeck came on we had a lot more penetration. I honestly don't think that England would miss Rooney one bit if he didn't go to the World Cup. A front three of Welbeck - Sturridge - Sterling would actually be quite exciting, although quite awkward for Clive Tyldsley.
 
Personally I think he's too comfortable in both teams right now. But I hope he can shut me right up, because he has done in the past.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
@Rood

Totally agree. I am a big Rooney fan but these days he is slow. When Welbeck came on we had a lot more penetration. I honestly don't think that England would miss Rooney one bit if he didn't go to the World Cup. A front three of Welbeck - Sturridge - Sterling would actually be quite exciting, although quite awkward for Clive Tyldsley.
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I that kind of form they wouldnt miss him but he will be picked just because everyone knows he is capable of so much more, whether he can deliver it in a England shirt remains to be seen.
 
I put this in the newbies - the amount of England fans jumping to conclusions based on last night is a bit daft. He, along with Gerrard, clearly looked like two players with nothing to play for... both were just going through the motions, in the knowledge that they will both be on that plane in the Summer.

If he turns it on for us on Saturday, then him barely breaking a sweat for England will have been worth it.
 
Gotta love how people forget his vital contributions in the qualifiers and suggest he be dropped on the basis of a friendly. Wasn't long ago when he scored the first crucial goals against Montenegro and Poland.
 
iSparky said:
He generally is very average when he plays for England is he not?
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He's exceptional in qualifiers, always has been. A huge proportion of his goals have come in those games too. He's much less effective in friendlies, but who cares? The problem is that he's never been more than average in his last two major tournaments, and often a lot worse than that. Like a lot of the big name players this summer is going to be huge for his legacy.
 
Can anyone please explain how many now criticize RVP for whining and showing a bad attitude and therefore wanting to sell him and play Rooney on top. How short are people's memory? Rooney has been whining, sulking, gaining weight, looking unfit and playing poorly for an entire season, signs a new contract that pays him far too much money and now suddenly he is a hero for showing commitment to the club, whereas RvP no longer is worthy of the shirt? I don't get supporters...
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
@Rood

Totally agree. I am a big Rooney fan but these days he is slow. When Welbeck came on we had a lot more penetration. I honestly don't think that England would miss Rooney one bit if he didn't go to the World Cup. A front three of Welbeck - Sturridge - Sterling would actually be quite exciting, although quite awkward for Clive Tyldsley.
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"And Ster....Welb....Sturri......England score!"

Poor Clive could struggle like he did last night on a couple of occasions.

Not the biggest fan of defending Rooney, but wasn't it not so long ago that he was on a 8 or 9 game scoring streak for England? Might be a bit harsh if fans are turning on him after a crap 60 minutes in a friendly against Denmark.
 
Rossa said:
Can anyone please explain how many now criticize RVP for whining and showing a bad attitude and therefore wanting to sell him and play Rooney on top. How short are people's memory? Rooney has been whining, sulking, gaining weight, looking unfit and playing poorly for an entire season, signs a new contract that pays him far too much money and now suddenly he is a hero for showing commitment to the club, whereas RvP no longer is worthy of the shirt? I don't get supporters...
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Presumably because they think RvP is whining and showing a bad attitude but Rooney is not?
 
Bendtner has 26 in 54 for Denmark, and he is out of form since start of his career. Stats mean shit, especially if lot of those goals are against the likes of San Marin, Bulgaria, Kazakhstan and Andorra.
He has been mostly average for England for almost his whole career, I don't see how anyone can defend his national team form. Only thing that goes in his favour is that most of England's player are playing bellow average for England too, but after all, most of them are average anyway, and Rooney is supposedly England's best player by mile.
 
It would have been better had we dropped him some while ago, if nothing else we might have seen a reaction from a player who has been performing within himself for too long. The 2004 Rooney might not be unearthed but hopefully some improvement would have occurred. Now this isn't to utterly excuse poor management in the years since his debut, however the individual record has flattered to deceive.


Pogue Mahone said:
38 goals in 89 caps definitely isn't "average".

Especially when he hasn't usually taken penalties and represented England through an era in which the team was consistently fairly shit.
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A rather specious argument it would seem, for at this point his worth and quality at a tournament should be measured by what can be reasonably expected in that arena. You can hardly be considered a top class international footballer if you have repeatedly failed to deliver when it mattes most.

The very best will stand out in spite of drawbacks and push the team forward, how often could you say this about Wayne in regard to the national team?


AttackingFlair said:
Gotta love how people forget his vital contributions in the qualifiers and suggest he be dropped on the basis of a friendly. Wasn't long ago when he scored the first crucial goals against Montenegro and Poland.
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Rather some people remember the false dawn of the golden generation and all that those players were said to be capable of, and how the England team was held back by the desire to fit all of the best club stars on the pitch at once consequences be damned.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Presumably because they think RvP is whining and showing a bad attitude but Rooney is not?
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Yes, I get that much, but RVP does it and should be tossed head first out the doors of Old Trafford, but Rooney sulks and whines time and time again yet he is what will save our souls? Do supporters really have such short memories?
 
Amar__ said:
Bendtner has 26 in 54 for Denmark, and he is out of form since start of his career. Stats mean shit, especially if lot of those goals are against the likes of San Marin, Bulgaria, Kazakhstan and Andorra.
He has been mostly average for England for almost his whole career, I don't see how anyone can defend his national team form. Only thing that goes in his favour is that most of England's player are playing bellow average for England too, but after all, most of them are average anyway, and Rooney is supposedly England's best player by mile.
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Is he though? Going on form, Sturridge is currently better, and going by class, I think Rooney is slightly overrated - a quality footballer no doubt, but looks unlikely to make that much of a difference to either United or England. He needs great players around him as he can't do all that much by himself - he is no Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo or even RVP in that respect. I wonder how good he would be at Real Madrid though where he could focus on being a striker and not much else...
 
Rossa said:
Yes, I get that much, but RVP does it and should be tossed head first out the doors of Old Trafford, but Rooney sulks and whines time and time again yet he is what will save our souls? Do supporters really have such short memories?
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I'm not sure what you mean. Whenever Rooney last did sulk and whine (presume you're talking about the last contract he signed before the most recent one?) this place was absolutely full of people saying he should sling his hook.

feck it, he's not sulked or whined once this season and there's still a load of you who would seem to be more than happy if he left in the summer!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'm not sure what you mean. Whenever Rooney last did sulk and whine (presume you're talking about the last contract he signed before the most recent one?) this place was absolutely full of people saying he should sling his hook.

feck it, he's not sulked or whined once this season and there's still a load of you who would seem to be more than happy if he left in the summer!
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First of all, I don't think RVP has whined; I think he is disappointed with the way the team plays and some of his own contributions. He looked disgusted at himself for missing that opportunity against Olympiakos. He said one stupid thing in the media, yet it seems he has apologized to his teammates. Not once has he disrespected the club.

Rooney went to the media and claimed United lacked ambitions; he went on to imply that the players at United weren't good enough. As a result of his sulking, he got an improved contract. Fast forward to the signing of RVP, he again goes on a whining crusade because he isn't pivotal to our attack anymore and sulks because of that. Last year he was quite average, and well below standards for a so called world class player. He doesn't want to sign a contract and lets the rumors of him wanting away persist. As a result, Moyes awards him with a 300.000 pound per week contract that most sane people would label insane.

I think some people, our the "you" as you seem to label anyone critical of him, just don't trust him and wonder when is he going to come up with something new to spark another fuss that would in no way do the club any good. Therefore, imo, the two can hardly be compared; furthermore, over these two seasons, RVP has been the superior player.
 
Rossa said:
Can anyone please explain how many now criticize RVP for whining and showing a bad attitude and therefore wanting to sell him and play Rooney on top. How short are people's memory? Rooney has been whining, sulking, gaining weight, looking unfit and playing poorly for an entire season, signs a new contract that pays him far too much money and now suddenly he is a hero for showing commitment to the club, whereas RvP no longer is worthy of the shirt? I don't get supporters...
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The number of people actively wanting us to sell RVP in the summer would be very few. Wanting him to shut his mouth and wanting him to be sold are two different things.

And you have some nerve questioning supporters looking at the bull shit you've served up in the RVP thread.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'm not sure what you mean. Whenever Rooney last did sulk and whine (presume you're talking about the last contract he signed before the most recent one?) this place was absolutely full of people saying he should sling his hook.

feck it, he's not sulked or whined once this season and there's still a load of you who would seem to be more than happy if he left in the summer!
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Well he did at the start of the season when he didn't celebrate goals with the team and generally got on like an arse when asked if he was happy at Utd while he still had hope of leaving.
 
I still haven't forgiven him for his transfer antics. Still sickened by the fact we've rewarded him with a huge contract and most likely the captaincy.

Honestly, I'm hoping we get in a new manager this summer who sells Rooney off (preferably abroad) for a substantial amount, and then utilises our more natural no.10s Kagawa and Mata, then uses the money to boost the midfield and defense.
 
Kaos said:
I still haven't forgiven him for his transfer antics. Still sickened by the fact we've rewarded him with a huge contract and most likely the captaincy.

Honestly, I'm hoping we get in a new manager this summer who sells Rooney off (preferably abroad) for a substantial amount, and then utilises our more natural no.10s Kagawa and Mata, then uses the money to boost the midfield and defense.
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Which manager in their right mind is going to do that? Christ.
 
pocco said:
Which manager in their right mind is going to do that? Christ.
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I don't know, admittedly its more blind hope than anything, perhaps a silly offer from PSG/Madrid might tempt them, though I suppose Rooney himself would have the last say as to whether the club accept the transfer offer or not. I can't say I'm happy with how current management is bending over and submitting to future Captain Whinetastic's demands.
 
Kaos said:
I still haven't forgiven him for his transfer antics. Still sickened by the fact we've rewarded him with a huge contract and most likely the captaincy.

Honestly, I'm hoping we get in a new manager this summer who sells Rooney off (preferably abroad) for a substantial amount, and then utilises our more natural no.10s Kagawa and Mata, then uses the money to boost the midfield and defense.
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Don't waste your hope "credit" on this, try to invest in something more realistic.
 
Kaos said:
I've used up all my hope "credit" on our manager's position tbh, so I'm at a stage where its all empty and blind hope.
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It's not too unrealistic imo. Say Moyes gets sacked, we might get a very tempting offer from a rich club such as PSG/Monaco, possibly one similar to the deal that brought Ibrahimovic to PSG. He'd probably do well there and we'd probably get a good fee. Rooney is highly rated on the continent, while not as much in England.

While it looks really unlikely, it's not that unrealistic. Here's hoping! I actually wouldn't mind if we sold Rooney, especially since now he's likely to gain a higher asking price with him being tied down to a long contract.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I put this in the newbies - the amount of England fans jumping to conclusions based on last night is a bit daft. He, along with Gerrard, clearly looked like two players with nothing to play for... both were just going through the motions, in the knowledge that they will both be on that plane in the Summer.

If he turns it on for us on Saturday, then him barely breaking a sweat for England will have been worth it.
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Totally this. Sure England were better when he went off, but the players that came in had things to prove in many ways. Gerrard was pretty gash too, but there doesn't seem to be a backlash against him. They both were strolling and it's understandable because these friendlies at this time of the season are just a waste of time. Most players are desperate not to be injured so you can/t see a competitive game. Still, Lallana and Shaw both proved they need to be on that plane, so in that sense I suppose it was worth it...

....having said that, Rooney was involved with one of the two best moves of the game....to be fair!!
 
Rooney is a genius pure and simple, he really is one of the world's best when it comes to contract negotiations.
 
Señor said:
It's not too unrealistic imo. Say Moyes gets sacked, we might get a very tempting offer from a rich club such as PSG/Monaco, possibly one similar to the deal that brought Ibrahimovic to PSG. He'd probably do well there and we'd probably get a good fee. Rooney is highly rated on the continent, while not as much in England.

While it looks really unlikely, it's not that unrealistic. Here's hoping! I actually wouldn't mind if we sold Rooney, especially since now he's likely to gain a higher asking price with him being tied down to a long contract.
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Moyes to go is the first priority.
 
togg said:
Totally this. Sure England were better when he went off, but the players that came in had things to prove in many ways. Gerrard was pretty gash too, but there doesn't seem to be a backlash against him. They both were strolling and it's understandable because these friendlies at this time of the season are just a waste of time. Most players are desperate not to be injured so you can/t see a competitive game. Still, Lallana and Shaw both proved they need to be on that plane, so in that sense I suppose it was worth it...

....having said that, Rooney was involved with one of the two best moves of the game....to be fair!!
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Gerrard has more credit in the bank for England than Rooney, he's also been one of the national teams' best performers at a tournament during this decade. I'd also suggest that Wayne has to prove his worth following the rise of Sturridge this season.
 
I am laughing at how stupid people are who criticised Rooney last night!

They have no perspective. It is so simple why he did not play like he should and being taken off at 60-70mins is a clue!

Rooney has not played since 25th of Feburary! All the other teams have played last week!!

Why are people so ignorant!?

It is so frustrating as I can't tell everyone this.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Gerrard has more credit in the bank for England than Rooney, he's also been one of the national teams' best performers at a tournament during this decade. I'd also suggest that Wayne has to prove his worth following the rise of Sturridge this season.
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That maybe true, but I think it would be best to wait until the World Cup to really see if he steps it up or not. If not...then sure, unleash the hounds!!
 
togg said:
That maybe true, but I think it would be best to wait until the World Cup to really see if he steps it up or not. If not...then sure, unleash the hounds!!
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Well Hodgson can experiment a little prior to the tournament with Rooney on the left for instance, however if he flatters to deceive against Italy it gives the manager a decision to make IMO.
 
akash02 said:
The number of people actively wanting us to sell RVP in the summer would be very few. Wanting him to shut his mouth and wanting him to be sold are two different things.

And you have some nerve questioning supporters looking at the bull shit you've served up in the RVP thread.
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Oh come on; if you read my reply to that you know I was only joking - from time to time, that is allowed. (Agreed that it wasn't funny though)

Reading comments on the United website there are quite a few fans wanting rid of RVP because of his age. To me that seems completely wrong as we demand loyalty from the players, but the fans are ready to turn the back on the players way too quickly after a poor spell - and RVP isn't even playing that poorly.
 
pocco said:
Which manager in their right mind is going to do that? Christ.
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One who's trying to move us forward and isn't a slave to Rooney's whims. I don't really see any revolution in our play occurring when the priority of our "number 10" is to get it wide and then bomb into the box.
 
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