At their best, I can easily imagine Rooney behind only Ronaldo and Messi.
Didn't Cafe said the same couple of years back?
Didn't Cafe said the same couple of years back?
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Ah you meant only strikers then. Makes your claim not seen that tall now.
Suarez this season has been better than Rooney ever has IMO.
Better than xavi and iniesta? That's crazy stuff.
He always gets injured, and the point still stands.
Rooney third best player in the world at his best?
Only on the cafe......
Only on the cafe......
I love having rooney at united...but I don't think he's up there with the top world class players. However, his adaptability in playing different positions is certainly up there....
...might seem like a contradiction..but I hope you get my meaning...
...might seem like a contradiction..but I hope you get my meaning...
Recently? He was nominated the time before last, and it would hardly be a surprise if he was again this year, though his chances have been harmed by the poor timing of his current injury/comeback. In December there was a lot of talk about who'd win it out of him, Ramsey, Kun, and Suarez.
At scoring against Norwich, yes.
Yes, before the 2011 final, something about him being 'complete'.
Really? Ramsey (among others) was infinitely better than him August-December.
In your blinkered world, yes, they were 'infinitely superior', in the actual world this kind of article was common.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/02/arsen...-aguero-to-player-of-the-year-awards-4209722/
http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/02/arsen...-aguero-to-player-of-the-year-awards-4209722/
infinitely better
Yeah, his blinkered world..
Seriously, at the end of December he had scored or assisted 30 goals, and he'd only started 22 games. Of course he was one of the main names in those premature player of the season conversations. Sadly he got injured and then our season completely fell apart, so its not terribly likely he'll be nominated now unless he has a couple of really eye catching games against City and Liverpool, cause nobody is going to even watch our other remaining games.
Rooney is class, he scores he assists he runs he tackles he passes he does everything. Anyone who dosent think hes worth keeping does not understand football I think its basically that simple.
Keane and Ronaldo were also much better players than Rooney.
It really is as simple as this. Who gives a f*ck what he is paid? If the club are offering him a contract, it is because they can afford it and deem it necessary. He is worth whatever they decide to pay him, simples.
Lol please just stop.
No one can honestly argue Rooney has ever been as good as Suarez has been this season for me.
Back then although he was scoring at a good rate(a rate inferior to Suarez), a lot of the main criticisms fort him was that he had lost his creative edge, he only made 3 assists in the league all season. Compared to Suarez, who is arguably the most creative player in the league while also scoring goals at an abnormal rate, if you're going to compare any striker from that period to Suarez, it should be Drogba, in that seaosn he got like 10 assists while scoring 30 or so goals in 32 games.
For you maybe.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...y-contract-would-be-huge-boost-for-man-united
Jamie Redknapp's view on the Rooney contract.
Some points from the article I'd argue:
That wasn't the case, I don't remember anyone linking the arrival of Mata as the end of Rooney, but he seems to stick this in to then say 'I couldn't agree more' to make him some sort of expert; he's not.
This didn't happen, Alex Ferguson never said Rooney handed in a transfer request, he said that Wayne told him he wants to leave. Two totally different things. Here is the quote for reference:
So Moyes needs to buy another 20 players in the summer? No, Moyes has a lot of fantastic players I'm sure he is happy they are part of the squad; de gea, Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Jones, Carrick, Fletcher, Januzaj, Mata, Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Hernandez, to name some. There are also the likes of Powell on loan I'm sure has impressed him.
Jamie Redknapp's view on the Rooney contract.
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Some points from the article I'd argue:
That wasn't the case, I don't remember anyone linking the arrival of Mata as the end of Rooney, but he seems to stick this in to then say 'I couldn't agree more' to make him some sort of expert; he's not.
This didn't happen, Alex Ferguson never said Rooney handed in a transfer request, he said that Wayne told him he wants to leave. Two totally different things. Here is the quote for reference:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ave-Manchester-United--Sir-Alex-Ferguson.html
No he really hasn't. He started well, but has since been putting in some very poor performances for someone of his calibre. Redknapp is meant to be a pundic, yet can't even see how bad Rooney has performed bar a few good matches.
So Moyes needs to buy another 20 players in the summer? No, Moyes has a lot of fantastic players I'm sure he is happy they are part of the squad; de gea, Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Jones, Carrick, Fletcher, Januzaj, Mata, Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Hernandez, to name some. There are also the likes of Powell on loan I'm sure has impressed him.
Another statement I totally disagree with. RVP has been injured for most of the season, when he has been fit he has started and finished nearly every game. He's been played in his favourite position and not moved about like Rooney has this season. If Rooney was Moyes' number one striker then he would have played him as a striker.
You are describing a different player as Rooney is distinctively average in those departments.
Why are Manchester United offering Wayne Rooney a £70m contract?
Potential five-year deal for 28 year old is odd for a club that prides itself on discovering and developing young talent
Roy Hodgson says he would like Wayne Rooney to explode in the World Cup in Brazil. Based on tournament form in the last decade and a less than incendiary goalscoring record for Manchester United this season that seems little more than wishful thinking, though if Rooney's wallet makes the trip it could easily set off suspicious package alarms at the airport.
For the benefit of anyone who has not yet heard, or simply finds this sort of news too distressing and prefers to go straight to the match reports and Winter Olympic coverage, United are proposing to pay Rooney £300,000 a week for the next five years, effectively binding him to the club for the rest of his career. While there are thought to be some other perks as well, notably the captaincy at some point in the future and a degree of consultation over transfer policy, the money is the eye-catching element of the deal. Eye-watering, some might call it, for a player who has twice threatened to leave the club, and at the start of the season was clearly interested in Chelsea.
Given that United are in the middle, or perhaps the muddle, of the mother of all transitional seasons at the moment, it seems legitimate to wonder why they are doing this. Can retaining Rooney guarantee a Champions League finish this season, or offer any more than a vague hope of a return to the elite next time? On current form, the answer has to be no. Are Rooney's next (and possibly last) five years going to eclipse everything that has gone before, so that come 2019 his £70m contract will look like a bargain?
Anything is possible, but you wouldn't risk too much of your own money betting on that outcome. Does Rooney have United over a barrel, so to speak, backed into a corner? Again, the answer is no. One can see why the club did not fancy selling him to a direct rival, and it is also true that to part company at this stage would involve a replacement being hired at not dissimilar expense, but this is Manchester United, for goodness sake.
The walls of the club corridors and training ground drip with testaments to youth. The club prides itself on finding exciting young players and giving them a chance. Rooney is a prime example, or was. He is not ready for the scrap heap yet, he is a tremendous player and will remain so despite the vagaries of team performance and personal form, but such a lucrative five-year deal for a 28 year old suggests United are happy with the way they are playing and would like to keep it going as long as possible. And that simply cannot be the case. United are struggling, and Rooney is struggling with them. He is not standing out like a beacon of hope or offering a one-man rescue service, and neither is he getting on the end of all these crosses that David Moyes keeps talking about.
It is a pity in some ways that United refused to countenance a move to Chelsea, because it would have been interesting to see how José Mourinho used him and whether a tactical tweak or a change of position could restore a cutting edge. Maybe that is what Moyes is afraid of. Looking at Rooney's stats – just one league goal since Christmas, only three all season against teams from the top half of the table – it is not immediately obvious why United needed to worry about the impact he might make at Chelsea, a fee of £30m or more would have gone a long way to help find a replacement, and moving out the old brigade when the conditions are ripe is a necessary concomitant of a self-replenishing youth policy.
Instead United are in effect taking a £100m hit to keep Rooney, when they now have Juan Mata as well as Shinji Kagawa (not to mention Adnan Januzaj) to play in the same position. It is as if they are determined to prove not only that that money is available but that Rooney, like Moyes, is there for the long-haul whatever the difficulties being encountered at present.
Supporters are supposed to be reassured by this commitment to stability, though even the most loyal can see that at best it is over-conservative and at worst simply irrational. Just as Moyes might not be the best idea for the next five years, neither is Rooney a certainty to return a dividend over that time period. Unless results improve dramatically it will look less like loyalty and more like rewarding failure. Already a sort of creeping paralysis appears to be overtaking United's transfer business, with a club formerly famous for bold and imaginative captures merely fitting in with the plans of Everton (Marouane Fellaini), Chelsea (Mata) and now Rooney and his advisers.
Rooney is scarcely deserving of loyalty in any case, but let that pass. United seem to think he is the key to future success, possibly because his presence will retain lustre and help attract other top players to the club, though most outsiders will continue to base their judgment on performances. United's biggest fear at the moment should not be ending up in the Europa League, it should be what some of their opponents in that competition might do to them, with or without the highest paid individual in English football.
No player, Sir Alex Ferguson used to say, can ever be bigger than the club.
No individual can be more important than the manager. The manager must be in total control. No surprise then that Ferguson fell out with Rooney. For better or worse, Moyes seems to be doing things differently to his predecessor. Fair play to him, everyone at the outset said he needed to be his own man. You never know, a relaxed Rooney without a contract situation to worry about might be able to explode at the World Cup after all. But if he doesn't, if his contribution is just another exercise in damp squibbery along the lines of South Africa 2010 or Manchester United's season to date, Hodgson will probably not be alone in wondering whether Mourinho and Chelsea could have provided the blue touchpaper to relight a fire that of late has smouldered rather than scorched. United fans, meanwhile, have the best part of five years to work out how they are going to feel about Rooney toppling Sir Bobby Charlton's scoring records.
Caf changes its opinions more frequently than a w*ore changes her underpants. Nothing much to see there.
Out of pure curiosity who's knickers are we being compared to? a high rent courtesan or some back alley skaghead?
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Suarez has been brilliant. His goal-scoring record against the top few teams leaves a lot to be desired though. One of Rooney's best qualities is his record of important goals in big games. Far superior than Suarez in this regard.
He made few assists because the rest of our team couldn't finish and we relied on him for goals, our next highest scorer was either Berbatov or own goals. Drogba got more assists because the whole Chelsea team could score goals, Lampard, Malouda, Anelka etc.
What a load of bollocks, you can't honestly believe that. Here's a list I made earlier when looking back at some of his performances.
That's a hell of a lot of MOTM performances for someone who has supposedly only played 'a few good matches'.
Suarez has actually been quality in big games, though, this season. He was excellent against City for example. Set his team mates up a number of times and generally tormented them. His overall play
Suarez is amazing but so is Rooney, don't see why this comparison woukd effect us offering him a new deal? Genuinely find it funny people want to get rid of him.
The amount of money rooney brings into man utd is not comparable to the amount suarez brings into liverpool. This club is a business, he will get paid a percentage of the money he brings into the business, just like everyone here who has a job does.
Drawing comparisons is useless
Drawing comparisons is useless
The point about Suarez' great goal record is that its distorted by his tendency to absolutely destroy smaller teams, and in general score braces and hat-tricks. He's a great player, and definitely the best in the league, but he's failed to score in 13 of his 25 games this season. Hence the Norwich jibe and hence why comparisons with Messi and Ronaldo are daft. His goalscoring season, while exceptional, shares a fair amount in common with Berbatovs up to this point when we won number 19.
Hell, there was a shot aimed at Rooney the other day that only three of his four goals have come against the top half. Well, only four of Suarez' have.
I think the comparison between Rooney and Suarez this season is distorted. When you're a striker football is so much easier if the rest of your team are firing on all cylinders. With Gerrard having an Indian summer, Henderson one of the most in form CMs in the league and Coutinho and Sterling both playing out of their skins it must be great fun playing up front for Liverpool.
Compare and contrast with playing in front of an out of form or injured Michael Carrick and whoever else gets to play alongside him in any given week and a constantly changing selection of wide men, none of whom are playing well enough to hold a place down in the team. Not exactly the scenario Rooney needs to showcase his talents and make a case for himself in comparison to Suarez. The improvement in the latter over the last couple of seasons has been enormous. I don't think it's any coincidence that his mirrors the improvement in the team as a whole.
By the same logic, I find the Sturridge-Welbeck comparisons based on this season's form also a little unfair. But that's a discussion for another thread.
Compare and contrast with playing in front of an out of form or injured Michael Carrick and whoever else gets to play alongside him in any given week and a constantly changing selection of wide men, none of whom are playing well enough to hold a place down in the team. Not exactly the scenario Rooney needs to showcase his talents and make a case for himself in comparison to Suarez. The improvement in the latter over the last couple of seasons has been enormous. I don't think it's any coincidence that his mirrors the improvement in the team as a whole.
By the same logic, I find the Sturridge-Welbeck comparisons based on this season's form also a little unfair. But that's a discussion for another thread.
The funny thing is, Rooney's two best periods of form arguably came when we werent all that amazing as a team. But what periods they were. The latter half of 2009/10 gave us a last minute semifinal winner against City, a winner in a cup final, four goals in two games against Milan, an away goal in Munich, and that obscene performance away at Arsenal. Then the injury, and the world cup, and the whores and the contract...and then the latter half of 2010/11, with the greatest goal in the history of the PL to win a derby, that howitzer to give us the lead against Chelsea in the league, an away winner at the sodding bridge in a CL quarter final, a winning goal in an FA cup quarter final against Arsenal, a man of the match performance with an away goal and an assist in CL semi final, and the small matter of a brilliant goal against Barcelona, at Wembley, in a European Cup final.
Thats why I think its absurd to say Suarez is now better than Rooney has ever been, because unless he does something special in the remaining few games which really count, Suarez' legendary season will mostly be remembered for him skullfecking Norwich.
Thats why I think its absurd to say Suarez is now better than Rooney has ever been, because unless he does something special in the remaining few games which really count, Suarez' legendary season will mostly be remembered for him skullfecking Norwich.
Not to mention the monstrous performance against West Ham where he scored a hat trick and his demolition of Schalke away with a wonderful through ball to Giggsy and then scoring the second himself. He was unreal in that number 10 role in the second half of 10/11.
Playing alongside Sturridge helps in this regard tho, no? Rooney was playing up on his own, I think part of the explanation for his lack of assists that season was other players not stepping up and getting goals.
Well today is meant to be the day that the new contract is announced, the BBC are discussing it on their live feed today. Don't think many people are going to be delighted at the news but at the same time he has been one of our better performers this season, albeit quite poor in his last few games since returning from injury as per.
Five and a half years. Not five, not six. Not sure I've ever heard of a contract that wasn't in units of whole years. Must have been a hell of a lot of negotiation on the duration.
Good news all the same. Removes a lot of uncertainty about summer and the season beyond.
Good news all the same. Removes a lot of uncertainty about summer and the season beyond.
Whatever has happened in the past, it's great news. He will be the club's all-time record scorer now. Interested to hear his comments mind and the rumours about the promises made to him. Good for his sake that it's all sorted ahead of the World Cup.
He probably would not have agreed a new deal without the promise of significant investment over the summer. Encouraging signs perhaps.
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