That quite depends how broad one's definition pf that label actually is.
Stats can be misleading of course, he could break records for the national team but he'll be no legend at that level unless eh does something quite remarkable in Brazil.
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That quite depends how broad one's definition pf that label actually is.
Stats can be misleading of course, he could break records for the national team but he'll be no legend at that level unless eh does something quite remarkable in Brazil.
Yep, it's not salary.
His weekly wage slip won't show £300,000. It'll probably be something like:
Basic Pay: £150,000
Appearance: £50,000
Bonus: £50,000
Total for week: £250,000
He'll then have probably £100,000 per week paid into his holding company for 'image rights'.
I'd hazard a guess that the £300,000 figure that will be banded around by the press will include appearance fees but exclude other bonus such as goals, hattricks, winning a trophy (no need to worry about those ones this year) etc. It will also include the portion that is not paid to him directly - image rights.
edit: I should make it clear that these figures are just pulled out of thin air, I don't know the details of his deal, but in my experience this is typically how they are arranged.
No idea but I'm confident you'll pop up to remind us, every single time.
Yes, people can argue about Rooney's level in football, but he's very well known in Asia etc, and sponsors want to have a famous face fronting their campaigns, even if it's not the prettiest one...
This is certainly an encouraging thought. Rooney is a brat and I care little for the bloke, but in fairness to him, he definitely plays the game to win trophies. In the words of Dave, there's no doubt about that. He's a greedy bastard alright, but there's no way he'd be signing this contract unless he was assured that United have significant plans for the future, major investment being one of them.
Given that he's currently on ~220k or so, we should try to see that outrageous 300k number in context. It's an 80k pay rise - 35% - to retain one of our best players, or less than one Ashley Young.
We're talking about how his goal record shouldn't be used as conclusive evidence of him having some kind of unprecedented season, becase for all his undoubted brilliance - a season which compares to Ronaldo, Henry, Drogba, Rooney and Shearer at their best - his goalscoring is massively slanted in favour of crap teams. He'll likely break the goalscoring record in a season, but that doesn't make his season better than the previous standouts in the PL.
The high watermark for a premier league season will almost certainly always be Ronaldo in 07/08. 31 starts, 31 goals and the title, despite also competing for (and being the best player) in the European Cup. Hell, how's this for a fact. Of Ronaldo's 31 goals that season, fully 15 put United ahead in a match and 12 proved to be matchwinners. For Suarez this year it's 6 out of 23, with 5 matchwinning goals. A great season, no doubt, but you lot never seem happy to just have great players or great teams, they always have to be the very best. Just like when you had 'the best midfield in the world'.
He's been well overrated this season, and Moyes continually coming out and praising him has been unwarranted. He's barely scored recently and his overall play isn't great either. I don't think he's played all that well and I don't see the reasoning of giving him 5 and a half years. Quite disappointed to be honest
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I would hope not, better that Moyes and Woodward learn from the errors of their first year in charge. They'll be boasting today but such a huge contract won't be without its consequences down the road.
Forgoing a 2nd plea to leave. So when he makes the 3rd plea we will either let him leave or give him another 35% payrise? And all the other players who do the same? Sounds sensible.
I'm hoping there's lots of consequences down the road. All positive.
He'll be 32-33 by the time this contract is up for re-negotiation. He obviously won't be expecting a 35% payrise. Probably won't even get more than a 12 month rolling contract. Either that or he'll be allowed to finish his career playing for his boyhood club. Which would be fair enough.
This is absolutely undeniably his last big contract. Nobody else(bar insane clubs like PSG) would ever buy a 32 year old Rooney asking for 300k a week. And yes, Ekeke, big clubs retain their best employees with wage rises, just like every other business.
Great deal for the club and of course Rooney I would say. Tie down a big asset on and off the pitch, last thing we needed this summer was a whole load of transfer speculation again. Happy we have the deal sorted and can move on now.
Plus the alternative would be selling a strong player to a rival.
Plus the alternative would be selling a strong player to a rival.
If spending more than we ought then i expect that your hopes will be realised.
And if Rooney's unparalleled position within the squad becomes an unhealthy one or he he reverts to the player of last season, well Fergie did try to warn us as to the dangers.
Looks like 442 for life then.
Another valiant post. I have no qualms with a Liverpool fan expressing his own opinion, but I am sickened by so many United fans eviscerating Rooney. It appears to be the popular thing for internet fans to bemoan Rooney as he's been at the club for so long. These lemmings are bored of Rooney and wish for a new toy which fits in with their own misguided and ill-informed view that only small, nimble playmakers can play in the role behind a main centre-forward. Players like Mata, Silva, and Özil can only exclusively play behind a striker and absolutely no where else in their twisted fantasy world. Rooney must make way. He's too been here to long, his productivity is unimportant, he does no possess the velvet touch of others, he has been disloyal to the club despite ten years of majestic service, so now we must been disloyal and demand that he leaves.
This is the modern internet United supporter. Rooney is stale. Mata must play centrally despite playing the majority of his career on the flanks and insisting he's comfortable anywhere. Kagawa must also play centrally despite our demands for Mata to play there and despite the player showing zero productivity and inconsistent displays in a United shirt. Robin van Persie is so much better than Rooney, cry the lemmings, he is loyal and so much more consistent than Rooney, they say of a player who stabbed Arsenal supporters through the heart, forcing a move to United solely to win trophies. Robin van Persie's misses in crucial matches are of no concern, nor is his sulking on the pitch or injury susceptibility. Much more pressing, they cry, is Rooney's inconsistent first touch.
Reality is of no concern for Rooney's detractors. They will jump off the cliff and into the abyss of their fantasy world, bemoaning a lack of loyalty while simultaneously showing none to a player who's been one of the top performers in the Premier League and Champions League for nearly a decade at United. Those who remain will be rational United supporters like you and I, who will be absolutely enthralled with the club securing its prized asset for the remainder of his prime years.
Yep. I mean Rooney is a striker famed for his lack of versatility, after all.
Well its certainly better than Rooneys 09/10 season which is what i was arguing. I agree that Henry Ronaldo and Shearer have had comparable seasons in fact i mentioned that in one of my earlier posts.
As for your last point, i said his form now is better than Rooneys, not that he is the PL greatest player ever, also would put more credence in how he actually performs against the big teams rather than goals scored, as i said he has took more of a creative role against City, Arsenal, to a good effect, that shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with.
When Rooney was scoring at a lesser rate, he wasn't play 3 key passes per game like Suarez does, neither was he top 3 in the league for assists, in fact away from goals, the main contention i had against your point that Rooney has hit the form Suarez is in now in the past is that even when he was at his goalscoring best, he never combined it with the creativity you see from Suarez now, thats the key difference.
No, you are just wrong.
It's stablized things in one department in what looks like a summer ahead of significant change. He's been doing well this season and should United decide it is time to go before his deal expires, they can now command a premium for him rather than have him walk.
I'm glad he's staying.
I'm glad he's staying.
Good. Hopefully he will repay the faith being shown in him by playing like we know he can, plus we can look forward to a summer drooling over who's coming in rather than worrying about what has angered and confused him.
Somehow he's earned the reputation of being versatile through virtue of being played in different positions. Unfortunately though, he's not good in most of those positions, and it's usually on the back of poor performances in different roles that we get the making-sacrifices-for-the-team excuse rolled out. A "world class" player should be able to play (well) on the left side of a three, but he can't, which means we have to line up to suit him.
Well that's not true, for starters.
How stabilising it proves to be must in part be determined by RVP's future.
And surely our reasons for our deciding to ditch him would put off suitors? Remember, £20-30m in compensation for United before discussions of a fee or wages could even commence. The scale of the contract is a hindrance rather than the footballing wonder half you lot seem to imagine it as.
I don't think Rooney is particularly worth the wages that we're hearing about but then again, what else could we do?
We're going to lose a big nucleus of the team this summer - potentially Giggs, Rio, Evra and obviously Vidic. That's 14 champions league finals between the four of them. Keeping Rooney on board at least allows us to focus on the pressing areas of the team midfield and defence that need reinforcement. Even if we sold Rooney, he'd probably cost more money to replace with someone at a similar level than what we'd get for him. Look at the worldly amount of money that Falcao and Cavani went for and the wages they're probably on. And if we were looking for a striker in the summer we'd be up against Chelsea who will probably break the bank on a world class striker.
He's truly bent the club over for a second time. On the pitch strictly, he'll go down as a Man Utd legend - overall I'm not sure he doesn't seem to have the respect for the club that the truest of legends do.
We're going to lose a big nucleus of the team this summer - potentially Giggs, Rio, Evra and obviously Vidic. That's 14 champions league finals between the four of them. Keeping Rooney on board at least allows us to focus on the pressing areas of the team midfield and defence that need reinforcement. Even if we sold Rooney, he'd probably cost more money to replace with someone at a similar level than what we'd get for him. Look at the worldly amount of money that Falcao and Cavani went for and the wages they're probably on. And if we were looking for a striker in the summer we'd be up against Chelsea who will probably break the bank on a world class striker.
He's truly bent the club over for a second time. On the pitch strictly, he'll go down as a Man Utd legend - overall I'm not sure he doesn't seem to have the respect for the club that the truest of legends do.
If he's signed it's good news, it's that simple really. We are a better team when Rooney plays.
Who lot? I didn't say anything about the contract.
Weighing up how much it would cost to replace him, in transfer fee and wages, especially if we have to offer a non-CL package to tempt the little darling, it doesn't really sound like a hindrance.
I seriously doubt that.
Hopefully this means we can get decent money from PSG for him next summer. 
Depending on your view - this could be seen as the first really great thing Moyes has done that Fergie would never have done...
Maybe it's a stepping-stone.
Maybe it's a stepping-stone.
Made this point in other thread but probably more relevant here.
85,800,000.
That's how much 300k pw is for 5.5 years, just to give people an idea how much it is.
If we had to replace him with a like for like player (let's say we do for arguments sake) then, that would be... What 35m for arguments sake of a player of his quality? Then let's say we pay that person 180,000 pw...sound reasonable?
over 5.5 years that would be 51,300,000. Making 86,300,000 overall.
Assuming those figures are all correct, then that's still actually cheaper overall. Plus I don't believe the 300k amount. I'm also assuming any signing on feec would be the same, if not more for signing new player.
The amount of money in football is ridiculous
85,800,000.
That's how much 300k pw is for 5.5 years, just to give people an idea how much it is.
If we had to replace him with a like for like player (let's say we do for arguments sake) then, that would be... What 35m for arguments sake of a player of his quality? Then let's say we pay that person 180,000 pw...sound reasonable?
over 5.5 years that would be 51,300,000. Making 86,300,000 overall.
Assuming those figures are all correct, then that's still actually cheaper overall. Plus I don't believe the 300k amount. I'm also assuming any signing on feec would be the same, if not more for signing new player.
The amount of money in football is ridiculous
That would be a bargain for an elite striker. Most expensive players in world football.
Like Denis Law? he also handed in a transfer request, I dont see history caring much about that.
I was thinking that too. Andy Carroll was £35m... Andy Carroll.
I agree but i was being Conservative for arguments sake.
I was genuinely surprised looking at figures how close the two scenarios were, I didn't think it would be at all
So let's break todwn the numbers. Let's say Rooney is earning 300k per month. Compare it to last years world class strikers that changed club, Falcao and Cavani. Both were 50m+ transfers and earn 8m per year. Rooney over his contract will make 70m at United, either of those would've cost atleast 90m over the next few years, if the only had that one contract and would stay at their remotely "cheap" wages (they're not being paid THAT well tbh, if you compare it to our wages, they are on par with Mata and only slightly above Young). But as footballers like Rooney showed us it's not that easy with them these days. If they would've had 2 great seasons we would need to pay them atleast 200k+ to keep one of them happy here. Which means after having paid a record fee of 50m+ we would be in nearly the same situation we were with Rooney. Not to mention that we could very well need to pay an extra amount of wages, fees at the moment as we lack CL football.
If you compare his wages with the ones of Ronaldo and Messi,you'll see that he isn't anywhere close to them. Ronaldo's contract is 550k per week. He earns 18m€ NET per year at Real Madrid. That's a whole another dimension and I don't see any premier league player breaking that anytime soon.
The next problem with comparing Rooney to any other striker/player on the pitch is that he simply can't be compared to any other. You can compare RvP, Cavani, Falcao as they are the same type of strikers, but not Rooney. He can play as 10 or striker and this versatility is not something to be overlooked. He fights for the team and makes nearly every team in the world better. Tell me another player that you would compare to Rooney. Surely right now he isn't on level with the likes of Suarez or Aguero, but if you want to build a team around a player he could be atleast as valuable to the team. RvP is our best player, but Rooney is probably the more important player to our team.
Also we don't have to forget that this team right now lacks a leader and identity. With all those changes, Rooney will be a Manchester United player for 10 years next season, and probably the one to break Sir Bobby Charltons record. Outside the UK Rooney is still one of the most known players in the world and that makes him so valuable to our marketing.
After last year, I'll never have him in that high regards, but right now we need him and we are his best solution. I'm happy that he is staying, because building the next team around him,Mata, Januzaj and hopefully RvP could be back in the hunt for trophies in no time.
If you compare his wages with the ones of Ronaldo and Messi,you'll see that he isn't anywhere close to them. Ronaldo's contract is 550k per week. He earns 18m€ NET per year at Real Madrid. That's a whole another dimension and I don't see any premier league player breaking that anytime soon.
The next problem with comparing Rooney to any other striker/player on the pitch is that he simply can't be compared to any other. You can compare RvP, Cavani, Falcao as they are the same type of strikers, but not Rooney. He can play as 10 or striker and this versatility is not something to be overlooked. He fights for the team and makes nearly every team in the world better. Tell me another player that you would compare to Rooney. Surely right now he isn't on level with the likes of Suarez or Aguero, but if you want to build a team around a player he could be atleast as valuable to the team. RvP is our best player, but Rooney is probably the more important player to our team.
Also we don't have to forget that this team right now lacks a leader and identity. With all those changes, Rooney will be a Manchester United player for 10 years next season, and probably the one to break Sir Bobby Charltons record. Outside the UK Rooney is still one of the most known players in the world and that makes him so valuable to our marketing.
After last year, I'll never have him in that high regards, but right now we need him and we are his best solution. I'm happy that he is staying, because building the next team around him,Mata, Januzaj and hopefully RvP could be back in the hunt for trophies in no time.
I guess you could be lucky and pinch someone like RvP with a year left on the end of his contract for under 30m. That's a once a decade opportunity though. No wonder Fergie didn't give a toss whether or not there was an obvious slot for him in the team.
In the scenario of buying a new striker we get the added bonus (most likely) of that player not being 33 by the time the contract ends. Rooney may be worthy of those types of wages now (I still don't think he is but that's not the point), but I genuinely think Rooney's ability and performances will decline dramatically as he gets older. So you pay similar amounts of money for a striker at the peak of his career or a striker that will likely only get worse.
I also don't think going in to next season with RvP, Welbeck, and Chicharito as or main forward options would be the worst thing in the world assuming we addressed the other areas of the squad.
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