Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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It's like being hit by tsunami after tsunami of stupid, isn't it?fecking hell, I'm done.
Thanks for trying though.
I never asserted that you said he was the best player we've ever had. You said he'd by far our best player which is why we are so desperate to keep him. I said that was bollocks and that we have at least 3 other player's that are just as good as him. You then clarified that you meant he was by far our best player this season, which would a) doesn't really make sense in the context as we wouldn't be desperate to keep someone who has merely been our best player for 6 months, and b) isn't actually true (given that Januzaj and De Gea have both also been impressive). I also don't think anyone has been particularly impressive, hence us being in 7th place.
You then said that Rooney effectively plays in 3 positions at the same time, whilst dismissing that other player's (Ozil, Ramsey, Toure, Aguero etc) do the same. So we effectively play with 13 player's, as Rooney plays 3 positions at the same time. Jesus Christ the other 10 player's must be useless if we're 7th whilst having this kind of advantage. Also it's quite worrying that our central midfield and defense is so shit considering that we essentially are playing a 5-3-3 formation.
Your fanboyism of Rooney is bizarre. No one has said Rooney is lazy or bad at Football, you are just creating a straw man argument to make your nonsensical rants seems justified. People are however suggesting that he's no better than 5-10 other player's in the Premier League. Player's that are far more professional and earn somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 of what Rooney is after.
All Wayne Rooney is is a very good Footballer. He isn't World Class because of his lack of consistency, he isn't three player's in one and he doesn't work harder than most other quality player's in his position. Is he exceptional? That's up for debate, I personally think he has been exceptional for 4-5 seasons, unfortunately all but one were between 2004-2010, which is slowly becoming a memory.
I don't need to get over anything. I think he's worth a similar wage as other very good player's (c. £150k) and think the club would be stupid to offer him double what his ability warrants. I won't lose sleep if we offer him £300k a week, but will merely be disappointed that an obvious mercenary can leverage a "best player in the World" salary, whilst not even performing as one of the top 5-10 player's in the League for over 18 months.
Can you quote the post that was in response to please? I'm on my phone now or I'd go back and get it myself.
OK, I already did it myself, but waited for you to say that you'd call yourself an idiot if I proved you wrong, but I can live with just "fair enough, I was wrong" too. According to uefa's official website and statistics this is our players mile per minute ratio this season in champions league:
Valencia: 120,4 m
Chicharito: 120,49
Giggs: 122,66
Welbeck: 123,7
Rooney: 125,03
Carrick: 128,39
van Persie: 129,8
Nani: 130,33
Fellaini: 131,66
Januzaj: 131,85
Kagawa: 133,15
Young: 136, 36
Cleverley: 137,34
If you don't believe me, you can check it yourself:
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/statistics/round=2000479/players/index.html
I used to check this in last few seasons too, and he never really stood out(like Carrick for example stood out in this part) but people were always convinced that he runs for three players for some reason. He can run, that's for sure, he is never lazy and he always covers lot of pitch, but everyone runs in todays game but for some reason some of our fans think it's just Rooney who runs in our team.
I wouldn't waste your time on Nick. In the summer he was arguing how Andy Carroll and Danny Welbeck were making a better claim for an England starting berth than Rooney
Fair enough, I didn't expect it to be like that so I was completely wrong in that aspect, but Rooney's game is more than just distance covered in my opinion. In my defence that probably won't be the case for all competitions, seems like just the CL.
I admire that you've backed up your point with a fact. Lots of kudos for that.
He's very influential on the pitch and most of the play goes through him, he breaks up a lot of attacks from the opposition and does a staggering amount of defensive work for a forward.
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Interesting stats, thanks for sharing.
Fair enough, I didn't expect it to be like that so I was completely wrong in that aspect, but Rooney's game is more than just distance covered in my opinion. In my defence that probably won't be the case for all competitions, seems like just the CL.
I admire that you've backed up your point with a fact. Lots of kudos for that.
He's very influential on the pitch and most of the play goes through him, he breaks up a lot of attacks from the opposition and does a staggering amount of defensive work for a forward.
No problems, I just wanted to prove that Rooney isn't really running marathon in every game, and that our whole team runs more than enough.
No problem.
Now this followed from your belief that Rooney was the only one "busting a gut" and whose quality separated us from a relegation dogfight.
It seemed that in your desire to defend Rooney from criticism [undeserved in your view] you were then in turn doing others a disservice, or at least such was my interpretation.
Ah, well in that respect you've a good point.
I wouldn't waste your time on Nick. In the summer he was arguing how Andy Carroll and Danny Welbeck were making a better claim for an England starting berth than Rooney
I believe i said that form should be respected, and that Rooney's tournament pedigree is not one which supports a status of guaranteed starter.
I can kinda see where you're coming from there. It could be interpreted as a dig at the other players, that genuinely wasn't my intention though, I swear.
No, you said both of them had made a better case than Rooney despite Rooney scoring more than both of them combined in what was his worst season at the club. You have a serious agenda when it comes to Rooney and have had since the summer.
I'm afraid this just won't do akash, i've checked and that remains a misleading post on your part.
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Agreed.
Does it make sense to give a 28 year old football player a 5 year deal - as rumoured - worth 300K a week? He'll be a 32 year old on 300K a week. Mad.
I could maybe slightly understand it if it were Ronaldo, both because he's better, but also because he is completely motivated and looks really well after himself. I mean, his dedication equals his talent. He'll probably be in great nick at 32
I could maybe slightly understand it if it were Ronaldo, both because he's better, but also because he is completely motivated and looks really well after himself. I mean, his dedication equals his talent. He'll probably be in great nick at 32
No, which is probably why we're not paying him anything like that much.
Would he really have said no to a 3 year deal on wages similar to the present? It would satisfy both parties, Moyes' desire to keep the player as well as Rooney in the sense that he could bail were our rival to falter.
Wages similar to the present with perhaps a higher return in the first year of the contract.
Wages similar to the present with perhaps a higher return in the first year of the contract.
I enjoy the input from contract negotiating geniuses, who seem to know exactly how hard the club could have pushed Rooney and still convinced him to sign. Their talents are wasted on here.
It really is pointless speculating what he is paid. Let's all just agree anyone on more than ten grand a week is a lucky rich bar steward
A universal truth that we all can agree on.
I think it's fair enough to argue the toss about whether we should offer him a long term contract making him the highest player at the club. I think we should but am open to opinions from those who think we shouldn't.
Where it all gets nuts is when you get people saying exactly what sort of contract should be offered and how it should be structured. They've been negotiating the damn thing for months. The club will obviously push for what's best for them and Rooney will push for what's best for him. Whatever deal is agreed is the deal required to keep him at the club.
Where it all gets nuts is when you get people saying exactly what sort of contract should be offered and how it should be structured. They've been negotiating the damn thing for months. The club will obviously push for what's best for them and Rooney will push for what's best for him. Whatever deal is agreed is the deal required to keep him at the club.
Agreed, the length of the contract concerns me, I've always had nagging concerns about how well he is going to age based on how long he has been playing, injuries sustained, the type of physical makeup he possesses and the way he has not always looked after himself as well as he should, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am
Yep, which is probably over 90% of the players in the league.
Depressing ain't it
As fare as the cluib is concerned, there's downsides and upsides to a short term deal. The big downside being we have to go through all this shite again in another year or two. That's neither here nor there though. They'll offer him whatever length of contract strikes the best balance between what they're willing to offer and he's willing to sign.
Fair comment
He got that big bumper deal that takes him close to his 32. There a few here that says he's playing for that big contract, well he got it, what's next for him? What motivates him from here on? He'll be playing whatever form he's on anyway, he'll be picked for the WC if fit. What do you think pushes him to maintain his game at the highest level? Probably he's "meh so so" attitude still makes him a very good player, but will he be better and motivated after this last big contract?
His hot and cold form is not the best indicator of a self motivating person
His hot and cold form is not the best indicator of a self motivating person
His last lengthy dip in form came when he was last negotiating a new contract and he immediately improved after signing up. You can accuse him of a lot of things but "only playing for a new contract" is not one of them.
True, if you're looking for an example of playing for a contract. Emmanuel Adebayor.
Been an accusation aimed at Giggs a lot, over the years.
Indeed.
Rooney isnt the type to be too lazy on a fat contract. He wants to win, he wants trophies. The problem over the last few years appears to simply be his relationship with SAF. Now, im not saying saf was wrong, just that roo was unhappy, he needs an arm around his shoulder and to feel loved, which saf didnt do!
Rooney isnt the type to be too lazy on a fat contract. He wants to win, he wants trophies. The problem over the last few years appears to simply be his relationship with SAF. Now, im not saying saf was wrong, just that roo was unhappy, he needs an arm around his shoulder and to feel loved, which saf didnt do!
Someone's been doing rounds with the press again, a couple of journalists just tweeting image rights are holding the deal, but it will be done soon.
I agree with your post and the point your making however this myth that Rooney's not in the top 5-10 players in the league is driving me nuts. If you use some basic statistics like looking at Goals & Assists combined considering him being a 9 and 10 over the years then he's consistently been in the top 10 of the league for nigh on 6 years running now. Even last season when he had an absolute mare he was still in the top 10 for league goals + assists combined. That shows me he's consistently up there. The issue though is that he's not managed to be in the top 3/5 players season after season.
What does that say? Embedded tweets don't work on Tapatalk and twitter's blocked at work.
jamie jackson @JamieJackson___
Rooney and #mufc still in discussions over image rights, etc. But deal expected to be signed soon. Full story on @guardian_sport soon
I don't think you could/can ever accuse Rooney of being lazy. Even when he's having a poor game, he still puts the effort in - sometimes to his own detriment.
Cheers @Mel_F
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