Ok a lot more ability then, Rooney at this current point in time wouldn't crack into the top 10 players in the world, Suarez does. I find 300k absurd for a player who isn't in the best physical shape and isn't amongst the very very best players in the world imo.
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Ok a lot more ability then, Rooney at this current point in time wouldn't crack into the top 10 players in the world, Suarez does. I find 300k absurd for a player who isn't in the best physical shape and isn't amongst the very very best players in the world imo.
Need to forget looking at his figure and his performances. Rooney is a top 5 money maker in football, in fact, he's probably third right now behind Messi and Ronaldo. Him being Nike sponsored and Utd also is a huge pull for this kind of deal. Nike obviously wants him to stay at Utd more than going to the Adidas sponsored Chelsea.
If endorsements weren't in the game in the slightest and they just played football, he probably wouldn't be top 10 in salaries.
If endorsements weren't in the game in the slightest and they just played football, he probably wouldn't be top 10 in salaries.
Despite his ugly mug he is one of the most marketable players in world football. I trust the club to make the right decision here.
looking like Shrek may actually help...
Hard one to call, but these days probably somewhere between 2nd and 4th on the basis that over the last 18 months he's been largely fantastic when playing, but has missed a lot of football.
Despite being a long way behind Rooney previously, Suarez's form under Rodgers has been exceptional, enough that you'd have to say he's clearly the best in the league, even with his still rather prominent failings. After that I'd say there's not a lot between RVP, Rooney and Aguero. They've all had prolonged periods of absence or poor form but been brilliant much of the rest of the time. And just so we're clear, I'm not lazily prefering attacking players, it's just that there's essentially no world class midfielders or defenders in the entire league.
You're just ignoring the fact, repeatedly stated, that he hasn't been playing as a stiker. We use him as a number ten 95% of the time. And look at your beloved Suarez since Sturridge returned and the teethy racist has been asked to play differently. He's hardly scoring but he's creating loads.
Honestly, it shouldn't need to be said over and over again, but the role an attacking player is given has a major impact on how likely they are to score goals. It's a really simple thing to grasp.
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If RvP were to leave and Rooney got to play forward next season I think a lot of misconceptions here would be wiped out.
About RVP being the better striker?
If reports of Rooney's salary are correct I can foresee Suarez causing a stink.
Fingers crossed it does. With our commercial revenue we can afford to pay our players top dollar.
"Number ten" can mean a lot of different things. That expression could mean a second striker, a false 9, a playmaker, an attacking CM etc. I think that most of the time Rooney has been playing as a second striker. What is clear is that some of the best CMs around have scored as many goals as Rooney despite not playing as a numer 10 (whatever that means). Let's face it, he hasn't been that great over the last 2 years or so. Plenty of players have outperformed him in that period. Few fans would regard him as a great player if they didn't know his previous seasons and watched only his performances over the last 18 months.
As regards the Sturridge bit, it's very naive to draw conclusions from 3 weeks of football. They played together before Sturridge got injured and Suarez was scoring for fun.
he hasnt justified this new contract this season, thats what is putting people off
...and the previous season as well.
Rooney signing a new contract will help attract better players, and help the clubs rebuilding process. It's more a sign of intent from United.
I know it's expected from players to do this, but in a team that looks totally not bothered or lack any passion this season, Rooney is one of the select few who's actually looked up for it this season. Either give him a pay-rise or give everyone else a massive pay-cut.
This.
He wasn't even our top3 players last season, but he is somehow between 2nd and 4th best player in premiership on the basis over the last 18 months, oh dear God.
Mhm
About Rooney not being worldclass, he clearly is, all the stats he has in all the positions he plays in prove it. When he is played as a lone striker he can easily get 30+ goals, if he plays as a midfielder his contribution changes into providing the team with alot of assists while continuing scoring a good amount of goals.
RVP probably is the better striker, Rooney is the better player and because he is also more versatile it makes him more usefull for the team than RVP. I think alot of people would only start to realise how crucial Rooney actually is as a player for United when they wouldn't have him anymore.
Giving 90% of our players a pay cut definitely won't help us in our transfer dealings come summer. So the pay rise for Rooney looks the better, even if less obviously fair, plan.
Compelling and well-sourced counter argument.
So he deserves 300k contract because he had good 6 months, just after one of his worst seasons for us?
Why didn't we give him a pay-cut last season when everyone performed except him, and he was our most paid player back then too, and give everyone else a pay-rise then?
This thread is ridiculous, I'm out of here.
Thank you, but you made it easy for me.
why do we constantly have these debates about the best English player of his generation!?
I don't think some people realise what it'd be like if we lost Rooney and VP and ended up with a pair like Lambert and Defoe.
Then they'd realise.
I don't think some people realise what it'd be like if we lost Rooney and VP and ended up with a pair like Lambert and Defoe.
Then they'd realise.
I doubt you'd find many here who dont think he's a top striker. Its when he plays behind RVP as a playmaker that his qualities are questioned specially as we have Mata in the squad now.
I also think Rooney's versatility is starting to get overrated as he can only really play to a high level in 2 positions but that's for another thread.
well one thing is for sure..I can tell you. A lot of Caf members might not be shouting "Rooney..rooney" with this alledged contract...but match day fans will sing his bloody name to the rafters if he signs. No champions league football? probabaly a number of clubs wanting to sign him...and yes give him whatever he wants money wise..and yet decides to try to make history as a player for united...and be united. That is totally good enough for me. People talk about Van Nistelrooy...he buggered off as soon as there was an inkling he wasn't top dog. Great player.. and will never forget him but hardly loyal really and certainly not the all round player that Rooney is. Come on guys...sure he has his off days...who doesn't..but statistic wise he is totally up there with one of the most effective players within a team there is.
So he deserves 300k contract because he had good 6 months, just after one of his worst seasons for us?
Why didn't we give him a pay-cut last season when everyone performed except him, and he was our most paid player back then too, and give everyone else a pay-rise then?
This thread is ridiculous, I'm out of here.
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek.
I don't realistically think everyone else should have a pay-cut for example.
But we are United, and offering Rooney a new contract will only benefit us in many ways - if £300,000 was needed to do so, then fine.
I don't care what the players are being paid - it's reached silly money, and it will only get sillier. I'm not paying £300,000 a week to him so it doesn't effect me what-so-ever
He hasn't played enough games this season to have a reasonable basis for comparisson. Last year shouldn't be looked at either, because Rooney hardly played then aswell and was on low confidence because Ferguson pushed him out of the team in favor of RVP and Kagawa (despite Rooney being better and more productive than Kagawa).
I'd say Rooney this season so far, is like top 5-6 in the PL (Hazard, Agüero, Suarez and some other players are clearly in front of him). But when he is fully fit and can play an entire season on high confidence (with a manager that supports him rather than opress him) and in a team that functions well he has all the qualities to be the number 1 player of this competition, no doubt about it. He was showing the form and confidence in the beginning of the season, its unfortunate he wasn't able to continue it due to injurry and its also unfortunate the rest of the players around him aren't functioning like a team. If those around him would start to deliver good performances and function like a well olied machine, Rooney would be able to step up and deliver performances like those of Suarez, Agüero or Hazard easily. None of those would do what they are doing at their teams right now here at United, when the players around them would be playing like total shit, they'd show talent and skill, but you need a good team around you to perform at your best, it is known. Rooney has the talent and experience and the workmanship to be one of the absolute best players in this competition, we just need find a way to bring out the best of him. No doubt Moyes wants this to happen, he restored his confidence and his form and he now wants to use Wayne as a pillar to build his new team around, but in order to do that he needs to sign a new contract, and if that takes a new 5 year deal with a £50.000 pay a week extra than so be it.
Yeah, let's constantly moan about the player who is 4th on our all-time goalscorers' chart, 3 away from 3rd, and has pretty much been our main striker for the past decade. Some of the comments here are laughable.
It might be an unpopular opinion but I think they'd be great together. Real old school little 'n large. Individually they might not be as good as Rooney and RvP but if you look at their skill sets they just might form a better duo. Cole and Yorke were inferior players to Rooney and RvP yet they were a much more potent partnership. If we could get Lambert and Defoe for 25 million we could off-load a Rooney who doesn't want to be here and the Dutch sick-note and use the cash and wages freed up to sign a proper midfielder.
Good point Elliott.
With those 2 up front, we'd finish 7th or lower on merit, rather than through underachieving.
With those 2 up front, we'd finish 7th or lower on merit, rather than through underachieving.
How the feck do you know Rooney doesn't want to be here?
Genuinley sick of bullshit comments like this, no offence. Nonstop people on this forum who think they're some ITK that knows every in and out of what happened throughout the Rooney saga. It's almost as bad as the people in this thread actually failing to realise how brilliant he is as a player and why it's ridiculous to just discuss goal scoring stats when it comes to a player like Rooney who has been arguably our most important player for not that far off a decade. Players like Rooney are possibly the hardest to replace.
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek.
I don't realistically think everyone else should have a pay-cut for example.
But we are United, and offering Rooney a new contract will only benefit us in many ways - if £300,000 was needed to do so, then fine.
I don't care what the players are being paid - it's reached silly money, and it will only get sillier. I'm not paying £300,000 a week to him so it doesn't effect me what-so-ever
It benefits Rooney more than United
Footballers aren't generally very intelligent, but I'm pretty sure Rooney knows he's onto an amazing situation with us. Family settled, already a historic player for us whatever anyone reckons, and is back to being perhaps THE key player in the team.
Why he'd want to jeopardise his standing with us, and start somewhere new, when it's unlikely anyone would offer more money is hard to understand.
All long serving top players go through the same treatment on this forum. Giggs got plenty of negatives down the line.
Right then. Using these two links, I have quickly assembled this list of the top ten players for goals and assists over the last two seasons. It's not my favourite site and it uses the more limited understanding of 'assist', but it was a lot quicker than using any other source.
Suarez: 46 15 (61)
Van Persie: 36 12 (48)
Rooney: 21 20 (41)
Hazard: 21 18 (39)
Lukaku: 26 9 (35)
Walcott: 19 15 (34)
Aguero: 27 7 (34)
Lambert: 23 11 (34)
Sturridge: 27 6 (33)
Benteke: 26 6 (32)
Suarez and Van Persie out in front, and then a group which Rooney leads. Rooney however, like Ageuro, has missed a fair few more matches in that time compared to Van Persie and Suarez. Actually, I'm going to put the specific numbers of starts, because they say a lot.
Luis Suarez started 54 PL games and contributed to 61 goals.
Robin Van Persie started 49 PL games and contributed to 48 goals.
Wayne Rooney started 41 games and contributed to 41 goals.
Sergio Aguero started 37 games and contributed to 34 goals.
Do you, perhaps, see a pattern there? Something that might set these players out as the best attackers in the league?
So yeah, I'm going to ask you for a list of your own. Who are all these players better than Wayne Rooney? I know for a fecking fact you're not going to name any CBs, cause the league has no world class ones, and any attacking players is just going to make you seem a little dim after the above. So...midfielders, I guess?
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Honest question - does the caf feel Rooney has underachieved on an individual level at United?
World Class player, no doubt. But I'm talking about after the early hype when he signed, I'm sure people expected him to reach a level similar to what Ronaldo was able to at United. Did people have higher expectations of what he'd be able to achieve on a personal level.
Rooney and his agent pounce at the right time. Last time around when Rooney was threatening to leave United were in a difficult position and gave Rooney the massive contact he ended up wanting.
World Class player, no doubt. But I'm talking about after the early hype when he signed, I'm sure people expected him to reach a level similar to what Ronaldo was able to at United. Did people have higher expectations of what he'd be able to achieve on a personal level.
Rooney and his agent pounce at the right time. Last time around when Rooney was threatening to leave United were in a difficult position and gave Rooney the massive contact he ended up wanting.
I'm sorry but that's rubbish. Rooney was never low on confidence at any point. He simply refused to perform or do his job wholeheartedly and its why Fergie kicked him out of the first 11 most times team and would have sold him this summer if he hadn't retired.
Surprised you're even asking the question mate. The one thing most people agree on about Rooney is that he could have hit a higher level, and it's all over this thread. It's the question of why that people differ on - for me, his bone breaks in 2006, 2007 and 2010 were pretty influential in that.
Aguero, Suarez, RVP, Mata, Silva, Toure, Hazard i would have all of them above Rooney.
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