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Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Cant the bastard wait until the end of the month? Am losing a bet otherwise ;(
Those stats speak for themselves.
Even if he was nothing more than a goal-poacher, his goals/game ratio is fantastic. 0.65 goals/game is actually fractionally better than Ruud Van Nistelrooy managed in a United shirt (0.63). Which says it all. Absolutely miles better than Andy Cole, for example (0.47). Granted, we're comparing the last few seasons with career totals but Rooney was much younger than either of them when he signed for United, so that's makes the comparison a lot fairer.
When you factor in him getting played in different positions and his ability to create as well as score then you can see he really is a phenomenal player. I find the way he is so under-rated on here is incredible. I think it's partly due to people not liking his style, partly down to bruised emotions over the various dramas around new contracts. Neither of those are credible reasons to downplay what he brings to the team as a footballer. It's absolutely bizarre that people find it so hard to see/appreciate his achievements at Manchester United. He's very close to being the best striker ever to have played for the club.
It's the Messi/Ronaldo thing. People now think if you aren't scoring a goal a game you can't possibly be world class.
Aye, fantastic player, no doubt.
Still I have mixed feelings about bending over backwards to re-sign a player who's got previous in fecking the club over to get a better deal. There are other ways to negotiate.
Also, I'm not entirely sure Moyes will ever do anything other than play him and RvP together at all times, which would be swell if it worked.
Still I have mixed feelings about bending over backwards to re-sign a player who's got previous in fecking the club over to get a better deal. There are other ways to negotiate.
Also, I'm not entirely sure Moyes will ever do anything other than play him and RvP together at all times, which would be swell if it worked.
It's not a defeat if he stays on obscene wages, I would just prefer he leave. Of course United's main forward player over the last 4.5 years is going to have good stats, but I feel on a whole he hasn't been World Class. You'd expect our highest paid player and one of our most experienced forward players in the Premier League, in a team perpetually finishing first or second to constantly be voted one of the worlds top 10 (or even 25) players. This isn't the case.
This is illustrated by the Ballon d'Or voting:
2010 - not nominated
2011 - 5th
2012 - 15th
2013 - not nominated
It just isn't good enough in my opinion for someone who is demanding to be the best paid player in the League (on a par with the likes of Messi and Ronaldo). I don't really understand what you mean by the press lying about his wages. Everywhere I've read has him down as the highest paid player in the League at somewhere between £200-250k, which is almost certainly what he is paid.
I just don't think he represents good value, because of the following factors:
- History of kicking up a fuss which has disrupted the team.
- History of doing stupid shit in his personal life that affects his form.
- History of inconsistency (1/3 time injured/"coming back", 1/3 time out of form, 1/3 World Class).
- History of being injured for weeks almost every season.
- History of taking weeks or months to regain form/fitness.
- History of not keeping himself in great shape, which has resulted in the previous point.
- History of using the press as a mouthpiece to achieve a better deal for himself, at the expense of the football club
- This contract will take him to within a whisker of being 33, which is risky given his inconsistency/poor form/fitness issues
- A feeling that your highest paid player (and potential captain) should be somewhat of a role model. Rooney is as far from a role model as a player could get.
I also believe that his inconsistent technical ability and first touch often cause our attacks to break down, although I'll be the first to admit on the other hand that when he's at his best the weak part of his game disappears and he truly would be worth the best salary in the league. Unfortunately for us his best is too infrequent.
Ronaldo left. Well in his prime, mind you.
He isn't world class. He hasn't been world class for a while. He shouldn't be on a salary befitting that of the cream of the crop.
Providing we get the Rooney of this season for most of that time it's a good decision to get him tied down, my only point is to those saying "pay him whatever, it's not my money" etc, will you still be saying that in a few years when tickets are £100 a match and sky sports costs more than your mortgage? Players wages have reached an obscene level and need to be capped.
Oh no, that merest of requirements coupled with a few set pieces calls for a pay rise and the captaincy.
I wouldn't say that he has even been our best player this season albeit partly due to injury but that detail exists nonetheless; moreover when considering the highest possible quality of our players there are probably two in that very elite bracket and Wayne simply isn't one of them.
To have had the old deal extended for a further two years ought to have been an achievement let alone this tribute, if needs must that he remain then you offer him a shortish contract to secure the club's immediate position alone.
Whilst some may see the news as an anchor to the other good United players i think millstone is a more fitting description, particularly until such time as Moyes can demonstrate an equal skill with coaching as spending money.
Who are they?
I totally agree with this. I'm quite astounded by the rather high percentage of people not happy with this. Just five months ago most people on here were saying there was no way the club could let Rooney go, he was vital, one of only a couple of world class players. Sure he might get big money, but this is the way football is now, especially with huge clubs like Manchester United. Also surely there must be some wage incentive to loyalty. He's now going to be up there with one of our long serving players. That is bloody rare these days especially for a player in his position. On top of this, it actually sends a pretty big message to those players out there we might be interested in. That even a big time player, with certainly higher ability and adaptability than many many other players in the premier league is happy and willing to stay with a club regardless of whether there is champions league football or not.
Personally I'm delighted with him staying...and will be shouting his name is support as ever...
I hope so too. I hate wednesdays.
This. You pay those amounts for a messi or ronaldo not for rooney. Im happy to have him tied down but that wage is just silly.
Bearing in mind the entirety of the season and consistency of performance, De Gea is leading the way for player of the season at present.
As for the two players whose best is greater, that would be De Gea and RVP i believe [with the evidence of the last year or so to go by].
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Exactly!
A lot of people touting doom and gloom about our failing inability to attract the best players seem to be the same people who think we should be refusing to think about making such a generous offer to Rooney. Footballers are simple souls. They follow the money. Giving our most important player (and that's exactly what he's been for the last few years - as you can see from the massive difference in results with/without him) a bumper salary as part of his last big contract will be a huge incentive to anyone who is thinking about joining United.
Trying to penny pinch here, with short-term deals, or offering the same salary before, will have consequences that go way beyond the loss of Wayne Rooney.
Feels massively premature to say DDG is a better player than Rooney at this stage. DDG has done more for us this season maybe, but I think to say he is the better player sells Rooney's accomplishments well short.
It's barely up for debate on this season alone. Over the duration of their United careers to date, it's outright mental.
Absolutely bizarre to have De Gea in that list.
As for RVP, purely looking at scoring rates, Rooney's best is marginally higher than RVP's best.
On this season alone I think a case can be made either way personally. But yes, on a longer time horizon it looks a fairly precarious argument.
what did they do worse whilst they were both at the club?
must be bad...worse than trying to leave twice?? pray tell
Excellently put too.
Manchester United, The centre for the practice and punishment of failing ethics and morality in a sporting setting (MUTCFTPAPOFEAMIASS) might have some cause to get rid of him.
Manchester United, The football club (MUFC) not so much.
Fantastic news that he's signing a new contract.
We now have Januzaj, Mata and Rooney all tied down to long contracts. Great stuff!
We now have Januzaj, Mata and Rooney all tied down to long contracts. Great stuff!
What had the whole of 2013 to recommend Rooney ahead of De Gea? Who is more likely to be considered closest to the top rank in their respective positions for that matter?
The heights of August through November saw Rooney produce some good performances to be sure, indeed a few were very good [and others were regrettably average], however standards must undoubtedly have changed if such places him above De Gea's best during the year [to say nothing of this contract offer]. We're also fortunate in that our keeper doesn't share Wayne's fluctuating output shall we say.
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Fans who expect the club to make unwise business decisions based on pride, or expect footballers to be humble, devoted servants, must be rather naive about how the world works.
Football is a business. Manchester United is a business. Football is a career for footballers. You are a consumer.
Football is a business. Manchester United is a business. Football is a career for footballers. You are a consumer.
Rooney. Easily.
I know you've got a long-term beef with him but this idea that David flipping De Gea has somehow surpassed Rooney in his quality of performance and status in the game is absolutely bonkers.
De Gea is now at about the same position where Rooney was several years ago. An incredibly talented young footballer who is performing at a much better level than you would usually expect from someone so young. Still has it all to prove though.
He was a better player several years ago surely?
Rooney is the Ringo Starr of United, a valued member of the band but not the best in his position.
How many better keepers are there than De Gea when compared to No 10s in Wayne's case?
It is rather a belief that last summer would have represented a natural time for player and club to part ways, and a contract such as this could end up proving to be as much of a problem as a boon i fear.
Wait, are people trying to intimate here that Rooney is an average player and an average number ten?
Jaysus.
Jaysus.
I dont think that is fair at all. Rooney is probably our most marketable player, he is certainly one of the most flexible - and longest serving. He is on course to break long-standing goal-scoring records and has been at the heart of the most successful period in our history. A few years ago he was picked even when he was injured in crucial CL games. Obviously his status within the squad has evolved over time but he is hardly just making up the numbers.
No, I don't think so. I think the stats don't lie. He's become a far more consistently productive and effective player in the last few years.
I quite like the drummer analogy actually. You could argue that a drummer who is able to elevate the performance of those around him should be more valued than someone who can go on a 7 minute paradiddleathon (just made this word up but I reckon it's a keeper!) purely for the benefit of all the drumming nerds in the audience, while his band-mates yawn and wait to get involved again. I think there's something intangible that Rooney brings to the team which gets lost when people start tutting about a heavy touch or fit of pique with the referee. We're just so much better with him in our team. I don't think the same is true of - for example - RvP, for all his talent. You have to pay a premium for players who have that sort of je ne sais quoi.
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those who don't know their footie are tbf......
It's mindboggling, he's been world class for years. I don't think that's even up for debate.
Is wishing to leave the club the worst thing a player can do? I don't really see it as the unforgivable act some here do. Rooney has little emotional affinity to United. He is an employee. It's unrealistic to expect everyone who walks through the door at United to live and breathe the club. He gets paid to do a job, and he mostly plays well. Good on him.
Besides, I dunno what Ronaldo did that's so bad, but I'd rank Keane publicly berating his team mates above it on the worse-o-meter, but he's still a club legend, as a player. Not since he left. He became a bit of a tit.
No.
People are intimating that there are several better number 10's and that Rooney is not worth a salary befitting of one of the best player's in the world.
its nonsense talk...those saying what the club should pay for a player or his wages. if the club does not think he is worth it, he will be gone.
United are a well run club. The only question...is do we need him...the simple answer is Yes.
United are a well run club. The only question...is do we need him...the simple answer is Yes.
If we're to continue to present ourselves as one of the best clubs in the world, then it stands to reason we pay our best players as though they're one of the best players in the world. Rooney is one of our best players and has been for several years now.
The only issue is whether or not he is outright our best player. We can cross that bridge if/when someone who has a reasonable case for being better than him next comes up for contract renewal.
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Have a feeling we'll announce the new contract after City's game against Barcelona. Overshadow the bastards again.
De Gea is, yes he is young but he is already arguably top 3 in his position.
Same for me can't be said for Rooney.
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