Except for the fact last time we were in this situation SAF did whatever it took to keep Rooney, exactly as Moyes is doing.
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Naah, as different a situation as they come. We desperately needed him to stay then, it isnt so now. We have alternatives everywhere he plays and good ones at that.
We don't need him to stay now? What, because we are losing half our players and have to rebuild without the CL?
As a reminder, this is how SAF handled it last time.
Seriously, revisionism. The idea that Moyes looks weak and SAF handled this with so much dignity and assurance, it's mental. We need him more now than ever.
As a reminder, this is how SAF handled it last time.
Seriously, revisionism. The idea that Moyes looks weak and SAF handled this with so much dignity and assurance, it's mental. We need him more now than ever.
I didnt say we dont need him to say. Ofcourse we do considering the situation we find ourselves in. What am saying is that unlike last time, we arent fecked if he leaves. Back then, we had no one who could play his role. Now, we have RVP and Mata, 2 top players for both positions.
I agree with the second bit. We bent over back then, we're doing so again. Not that I blame us though, he's a top player and we need to keep him.
I'm glad he's staying personally. I think many take him for granted if i'm honest, and we'd miss him if he left.
If anything i'm glad him signing on will end the headlines/speculation.
"Roo seen looking longingly towards London..."
"Wazza isn't grinning like a gimp, must be off..."
"Wayne spotted trying to lick the transfer window..."
If anything i'm glad him signing on will end the headlines/speculation.
"Roo seen looking longingly towards London..."
"Wazza isn't grinning like a gimp, must be off..."
"Wayne spotted trying to lick the transfer window..."
Seriously if anyone is moaning about this news they need to step back and ask themselves whether they still see the big picture. We tie up our (IMO) best player for the rest of his career, in a season where people are wondering about the direction of the club and whether a lack of CL football will cause an exodus of our best players.
This is nothing but great news.
This is nothing but great news.
Fair enough @Varun_Utd, each to his own, from where Im sitting it feels like we need him to stay more now than ever. Admittedly we relied on him a lot at that point in time and now we do have other options up front, so I can see exactly the point you are making. Moyes hasnt even proved he cant fit all our best players into the same team, which is the real concern at this stage. But I think this situation needs to be seen in the broader context. If he left last time (and SAF handled the whole thing differently) it is just another great player leaving, these things happen and we always come back stronger. We are still up there as one of the undisputed top teams in the country and we still have SAF in charge. we replace him, at some expense im sure but we have the pull to get someone else in, and morale remains more or less intact because we have SAF running the show and everybody always assumes while he is there everything will be fine. Compare that to now where almost everything about the club is in upheaval - upheaval if you want to be kind about it, most people would think the word freefall is a little closer to the mark.
I dont want to get too bogged down on the whole "perception" point, I think we should keep Rooney for purely footballing reasons as well, as I said yesterday Im sure we will find a way to get all our best players playing well together in the same team. But neither do I think we can afford to ignore the perception point. We havent looked so vulnerable or potentially unattractive as a destination for other players for decades. Now is not the time to be hemorrhaging our best players.
I dont want to get too bogged down on the whole "perception" point, I think we should keep Rooney for purely footballing reasons as well, as I said yesterday Im sure we will find a way to get all our best players playing well together in the same team. But neither do I think we can afford to ignore the perception point. We havent looked so vulnerable or potentially unattractive as a destination for other players for decades. Now is not the time to be hemorrhaging our best players.
This is just an exaggeration. He's just a footballer, we'll always lose top players and carry on. We've lost better ones in the past and we'll lose better ones in the future, and that won't actually determine our future prospects as greatly as people think. All these "more than a so and so" or "heartbeat", when aimed at our players is completely misdirected whereas the guy who it actually did apply to retired in the summer.
Having said that, I do think we should keep him. We're not in the same position we were in awhile ago and we now need to hang on to every bit of top class/potentially top class talent with all the strength in our fingers. Personally I believe that under the right manager, we can deal with either of Rvp or Rooney or Vidic or whoever going, however, given it's Moyes and we've turned a bit rubbish, its in our best interest to keep players like Rooney, Rvp etc.
Yep, I absolutely agree with that. Which is why I said it's imperative we hold onto him. With us not being in the CL next year, we'l need all the top players we have to stay to not just challenge next year but to attract new ones in.
My point was never that whether or not we should keep him, its necessary we do. I just responded to your post about the situation being the same as last time as it isnt.
To be honest I think Fergie was exceptionally weak when it came to Rooney. I can understand why as we had just lost Ronaldo and Rooney was our only player who you could argue was World Class, however it was still grating. I think it was quite clear that once RVP came in Fergie was ready to show Rooney the door. His retirement left Moyes with the perfect situation: he could get rid of Rooney and instantly earn the respect of the squad, or he could keep Rooney and utilise his ability.
Nowadays we have a couple of other top class player's and we don't actually "need" Rooney. I don't think anyone would suggest that a front line including RVP, Mata, Januzaj and Nani could be deemed anything but top quality. Not to mention that his wages could pay for 2 top class midfielders.
I also think on the whole he's been sub-par for 4 seasons now. He's spent roughly 1/3 time injured or slowly coming back to action, 1/3 time out of form and only 1/3 time firing on all cylinders. For a player that is supposed to be top class he spends an alarmingly small amount of time being as such. I was having a conversation with a United fan that loves Rooney a few weeks ago who said he was having a great season. I reminded him that Suarez was having a great season: a player who is leading the 5th or 6th best team in the Country to within 4 points of the top of the League. Someone whose performances are elevating the player's around him and making good player's (Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho) look great.
Then I look at Rooney's "great" season and see a recurring theme. Third injured, third woeful, third top class. On a whole one of our best players and someone we are relying on has helped propel us to the heights of 7th place. This is before you even look at the precedent it sets paying Rooney around twice the salary his contribution warrants (if you look at Mata who has apparently signed an £150k deal after 2 superior seasons).
Personally I'd start building a team around younger, more technically gifted players such as Mata (and hopefully Januzaj). If people genuinely believe that letting Rooney go will result in other player's not wanting to sign for us, I find this bizarre. However the board could obviously be more savvy than this and ensure we bring in the 2-3 required players in July, before letting Rooney go mid August.
Nowadays we have a couple of other top class player's and we don't actually "need" Rooney. I don't think anyone would suggest that a front line including RVP, Mata, Januzaj and Nani could be deemed anything but top quality. Not to mention that his wages could pay for 2 top class midfielders.
I also think on the whole he's been sub-par for 4 seasons now. He's spent roughly 1/3 time injured or slowly coming back to action, 1/3 time out of form and only 1/3 time firing on all cylinders. For a player that is supposed to be top class he spends an alarmingly small amount of time being as such. I was having a conversation with a United fan that loves Rooney a few weeks ago who said he was having a great season. I reminded him that Suarez was having a great season: a player who is leading the 5th or 6th best team in the Country to within 4 points of the top of the League. Someone whose performances are elevating the player's around him and making good player's (Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho) look great.
Then I look at Rooney's "great" season and see a recurring theme. Third injured, third woeful, third top class. On a whole one of our best players and someone we are relying on has helped propel us to the heights of 7th place. This is before you even look at the precedent it sets paying Rooney around twice the salary his contribution warrants (if you look at Mata who has apparently signed an £150k deal after 2 superior seasons).
Personally I'd start building a team around younger, more technically gifted players such as Mata (and hopefully Januzaj). If people genuinely believe that letting Rooney go will result in other player's not wanting to sign for us, I find this bizarre. However the board could obviously be more savvy than this and ensure we bring in the 2-3 required players in July, before letting Rooney go mid August.
Wayne Rooney is bigger than Manchester United.
He openly embarrasses the fans, the club and SAF by handing a transfer request coupled with statements about Manchester United lacking ambition... and gets handed a fat contract extension <groan, aight, I'll stay but it's not because you're paying me record wages, I want big players pronto>...
He kicks up another fuss when his latest fat contract is about to end (apparently NOT OFFICIALLY handed in another transfer request on paper, but said enough in private to make Fergie open up about it in the press), contemplated to join Chelsea and is rewarded by great support from the fans on the back of it (cheers all around, well done Wayne for embarrassing us yet again, we love ya!)... and then has everyone at United grovelling on one knee, head held down in a submissive manner with the contract on a silver platter held up "please sign Sir Wayne".
Sorry but I specialize in putting pieces of historical facts together, complete the fascinating puzzle that is world football and present them in a no-nonsense manner. It is different from the quasi-expert with their half-hearted mumbo jumbo on here.
Deal with it. I am furious with him.
He openly embarrasses the fans, the club and SAF by handing a transfer request coupled with statements about Manchester United lacking ambition... and gets handed a fat contract extension <groan, aight, I'll stay but it's not because you're paying me record wages, I want big players pronto>...
He kicks up another fuss when his latest fat contract is about to end (apparently NOT OFFICIALLY handed in another transfer request on paper, but said enough in private to make Fergie open up about it in the press), contemplated to join Chelsea and is rewarded by great support from the fans on the back of it (cheers all around, well done Wayne for embarrassing us yet again, we love ya!)... and then has everyone at United grovelling on one knee, head held down in a submissive manner with the contract on a silver platter held up "please sign Sir Wayne".
Sorry but I specialize in putting pieces of historical facts together, complete the fascinating puzzle that is world football and present them in a no-nonsense manner. It is different from the quasi-expert with their half-hearted mumbo jumbo on here.
Deal with it. I am furious with him.
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Sooner people come to terms with the fact that top players hold a lot of power in football now, the better. Its true with all top players at clubs, Real, Barca, everyone.
One cliche the old guard on here used to love using has been shattered now (we knew of it before, but now we're dealing in ice-cold thunder facts).
You got it boss.
Shouldn't we be the ones to tell you to "deal with it" as you're among the ones who have a pb with him extending his contract ?
No, you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about him as a player on the pitch. I meant that in regards to his commerical value for us. Don't forget that outside the UK he is one of the most recognized players in the world.
He needs to stay £300,000 is madness and for that long. But under we could see him play well up 32-33, I see him becoming a no.9, not a midfielder. He is too good of a finisher/goal threat to play in midfield. I think Van Persie may leave now, we play Mata behind Rooney and I have no problem with that. I doubt Fergie would have sold him despite all his talking.
True, he's not even top 10 material on the pitch however but is about to command the wages of a Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi.
I just hope he backs up this huge offer of support by the club, by perfoming to his best level on the pitch at all times.
300k is huge money and a 5 and a half year contract is massive faith. He now need's to repay the club and keep performing at the very best he can. We all know when Rooney is on form he is a fantastic player, but he need's to iron out the inconsistency in his play. Let's hope the contract will help him knuckle down.
300k is huge money and a 5 and a half year contract is massive faith. He now need's to repay the club and keep performing at the very best he can. We all know when Rooney is on form he is a fantastic player, but he need's to iron out the inconsistency in his play. Let's hope the contract will help him knuckle down.
In the last four and a half seasons Rooney has started 130 PL games, scored 85 goals and set up another 44. In the Champions League its 29 starts, 14 goals and 16 assists. In other words, since Ronnie left Rooney's started 159 matches in our major competitions, and been involved with 159 goals.
It bemuses me that there are a lot of fans portratying us being (apparently) able to convince our star player not to leave as some kind of defeat. What, because the press are lying their faces off about his wages, again? Going by their previous form he'll be indisputably on £450 grand a week in a couple of years. They're full of shit, as ever.
When said star player has humiliated our club, manager and fans by handing in a transfer request coupled with bellowing to every newspaper in the land that Manchester United lack ambition I'd have to beg you to cut us some slack for not being entirely happy with this news.
Christ, it was four years ago and plenty of other players we love (Ronaldo, Keane) have done worse.
He's worth the money, keep him.
Anyone saying his transfer request humiliated the club knows feck all about feck all. He's an Everton lad after all and has shown his loyalty on the pitch. A rumour here or there and one transfer request 4 years ago doesn't suddenly offset the performances he has given in a red shirt.
I know football fans are in general very fickle creatures. This is just blindness though. You're moaning about something you don't even know at the end of the day, paper speculation. We've always had it but people weren't as willing to gobble it up as now.
He's still our best player, and still by quite a distance.
Anyone saying his transfer request humiliated the club knows feck all about feck all. He's an Everton lad after all and has shown his loyalty on the pitch. A rumour here or there and one transfer request 4 years ago doesn't suddenly offset the performances he has given in a red shirt.
I know football fans are in general very fickle creatures. This is just blindness though. You're moaning about something you don't even know at the end of the day, paper speculation. We've always had it but people weren't as willing to gobble it up as now.
He's still our best player, and still by quite a distance.
Forgetting assists, and how nebulous they are, just look at that goal record. Adding in all competitions its 111 goals in 175 starts since Ronaldo left. For a player who's a number 10 most of the time those are crazy figures.
Ronaldo was worse in what way?
He questioned our ambition openly, no paper speculation. That, coupled with a transfer request and another threat this summer to leave us for Chelsea is enough for people to lambast any one player of our squad... unless it is Wayne Rooney.
I didn't say the transfer request was speculation, that statement was part of it.
The money is speculation. And get over yourself. We're backing Wayne Rooney here because he's better at playing football than you are talking about it. You're just a sad, angry man who wants it perfect or not at all.
I've been very impressed with Rooney this season I must say, but I certainly wouldn't be offering him a 5.5 year deal at £300k, not for merely football reasons anyway.
I think the position we find ourselves in has strengthened his case though, in the sense that we have dropped far off from the top teams in Europe, and are struggling to secure European football at all next season, let alone CL footy. Everyone looking in will be waiting to see if we crumble and our best players start leaving us etc. If he left in the summer, it may perhaps look like we really are now the undesirable club many are implying we are.
Had we won the league and end up finishing strongly in the CL, then at the very least from an image perspective, we would look better if we decided to cut him. Financially too, we would be in a stronger position to resist exorbitant demands as the idea of representing United would be equally as attractive/beneficial to Rooney as the idea of him staying would be to us.
Sadly our hand is very weak at the minute. I personally think with the signing of Mata, the team could cope if he left now, and potentially be better for it if we add a goalscoring wide threat. That said, right now it wouldn't make us look good if he fecks off 'looking for CL footy'.
I think the position we find ourselves in has strengthened his case though, in the sense that we have dropped far off from the top teams in Europe, and are struggling to secure European football at all next season, let alone CL footy. Everyone looking in will be waiting to see if we crumble and our best players start leaving us etc. If he left in the summer, it may perhaps look like we really are now the undesirable club many are implying we are.
Had we won the league and end up finishing strongly in the CL, then at the very least from an image perspective, we would look better if we decided to cut him. Financially too, we would be in a stronger position to resist exorbitant demands as the idea of representing United would be equally as attractive/beneficial to Rooney as the idea of him staying would be to us.
Sadly our hand is very weak at the minute. I personally think with the signing of Mata, the team could cope if he left now, and potentially be better for it if we add a goalscoring wide threat. That said, right now it wouldn't make us look good if he fecks off 'looking for CL footy'.
Kev sounds like a jilted lover in this thread.
the stories about 300k a week that his agent is planting in the press are probably just massive spin.
So in short, yes he humiliated us (Fergie looked thrilled 3 years ago in that press conference eh) by publicly stating he wants out because we, the most successful club in England, are not ambitious enough for the little man.
Yes, he did kick up another fuss in the summer, semantics aside whether the transfer request OFFICIAL or not (he was clearly up to something again, SAF wouldn't be spouting off to the press if all was rosy behind the curtains) there was a threat he could join Chelsea even.
But we should all cut him some slack as he is very good at football.
Both better players IMO.And what did Ronaldo do that was so bad?.
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that many families have errant sons. Rooney has thrown tantrums, decided he wanted to leave, decided he wanted to stay, fell out with the (God)father of the family but now recognises that, when all is said and done, he's still part of the family. The prodigal son got the fatted calf, after all.
Rooney has got his head down well this season, but there again, isn't that the least we should expect ?
anyway, yes, I'd like him to stay if he wants to, as for the mind boggling wages, well, common sense left the building a long time ago....
anyway, yes, I'd like him to stay if he wants to, as for the mind boggling wages, well, common sense left the building a long time ago....
Yet we still have sad feckers that our moaning that he has committed him self, next year when Giggs and Rio are goes he will be the only long standing player left in the team, 10 years and 200 goals. He already is a United legend and will end up being our all time top scorer above Chralton yet people are still finding a reason to moan, some even foolish enough to say it would be better if he left.
Stuff like serves as testament to how half arsed he was the season before, and beyond.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...manchester-united-contract-extension-48-hours
Wayne Rooney to sign new Manchester United deal 'in next 48 to 72 hours'
Wayne Rooney to sign new Manchester United deal 'in next 48 to 72 hours'
I realise he's not the brightest but surely it wouldn't take him that long to write his name?
Hope it is 72.
Well played.
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