If we never had RVP or Mata then losing him would be a disaster. We are Man United, regardless of who's in charge the name alone will attract big players.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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It's strange when you apply that phrase to simply retaining a player also. Actually, it's very small time to me.
His performances and fitness levels would have fallen off the cliff by then IMO.
The club will atract players and then buzzkill Moyes will repel them.
Ronaldo moved onto that level whilst still being with us.
Rooney hasn't moved onto that level for a few reasons, firstly his fitness, secondly he never made himself "the man". He had his best season probably in 2010 and then followed it up by pissing the club about towards the end of that year. On top of that he was mediocre for the first part of the 2010/2011 season.
His fitness is poor, I've never seen a player return from injury and repeatedly look so average in his return games. He's often slow to touch, slow to turn and his passing and shooting becomes very wayward, it's embarrassing to watch and it happens over and over again and you have to wonder with him approaching his thirties, why people at the club feel the need to give him this massive wage rise to keep him for another five years.
He should have to earn a pay rise, but I guess Wayne Rooney doesn't need to earn a pay rise, he simply demands it.
Wouldn't be the end of the world but he has pulling power on his own. Many players abroad consider him a top player and one they'd like to play with. The money is silly, he doesn't really deserve it and its disgusting how we've been told how much to bend over but its something that needed to be done in the short term.
Exactly. I'm certainly of the opinion that we need Wayne Rooney at this football club if we are going to move forward. Obviously there is speculation going round regarding certain players at the club and where they will be next season, but he is a quality player who knows exactly what it means to win trophies at this club. He knows what the expectations are and what is required to do so.
Obviously the whole leadership role is another debate, but one thing we do know is that he is prepared to put himself about and speak his mind on the pitch. Whether he is captain or not, he will give you that. I fail to see how losing a player of his quality can be beneficial for the club moving forward.
Losing Rooney wouldn't be the end of the world, no. But to the people suggesting this: Don't you think this would be a huge step backwards in rebuilding United if we were to get rid of one of our most important players in the past decade? If he were to also leave, which striker in the world that is supposedly available would we replace him with? There are almost none that would be on his level, let alone taking a step forward. Maybe Cavani is the only realistic one who would fill that gap, but that would be a far great cost than a £50k a week rise in his salary.
I'm not really sure that Fergie would have let him go now. I thought he would the first time this happened and he chose not to. Fergie has said a few things since he's retired which seemed to be hinting that this was all part of the plan. As if he did it to light a fire under his arse and get him performing again.
If it results in a trade-off between Rooney on 300k and RVP looking for pastures new, those same players may view matters somewhat differently.
What i'd be interest to know is what the club's opening offer was, i mean would Rooney have turned down a simple extension of the previous terms? It is a sizeable leap and one seemingly requiring fairly little on Rooney's part to attain.
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If Moyes had given any hint that he has a clue how to get the best out of Rooney, Mata and RVP it'd be much easier to say whether this is good news or not. But I have to believe quality players like that can make it work, and Rooney is a quality player. I'll certainly be delighted if he stays.
When i last looked the season is not over,we are always in transition and that goes for every club in the PL,We have Jones ,Evans,Smalling,Buttner,Micheal Keane and i'm sure we will add to the fullback position and hypothetically if Rooney was to be sold we have Kagawa and Mata who will fill his role. And if anyone really believes that him signing a new contract will suddenly attract
quality players then they are kidding themselves.
The kind of midfielders we need are far more likely to sign on the dotted line for a team outside the UCL spaces that has players like Rooney on the roster than a team that doesn't. It's signal of intent as much as anything.
Also it just about makes financial sense, 300,000 a week over 4 years is something like £80m, which is probably far less than it'd cost to sign someone as good and pay their wages.
Also it just about makes financial sense, 300,000 a week over 4 years is something like £80m, which is probably far less than it'd cost to sign someone as good and pay their wages.
Pretty much, sadly, we need him more than he needs us at the minute. Ferguson could only feck him off because he was in a position of strength.
No it wouldn't if we'd be getting £40m and he'd be going to Real Madrid or PSG or something. Its nothing short of a disaster for this club if we'd have to let him go to Chelsea for like £25m. Jose would get the best out of him and would bring him in his 09/10 form playing as the lone striker, the link up play they'd get with Hazard and Oscar involved would be enough to have Chelsea out do us for the next couple of years with Rooney as their main man. People on here would get suicidal to see such a thing happen.
He is a good player, he is an important player and we aren't in a postion we can sell him for a decent amount of money to a foreign club because his contract is running out, Rooney doesn't want to relocate and the interest from the continental clubs that could afford him is very low if not unexisting. Our options are very limited, or we lose him for nothing next year, or we let him go to Chelsea or we do as he whishes and cough up the £50K a week extra and give him the armband, and if I look at the players this season, Rooney is probably the guy most deserving it anyway. If any players deserve a pay raise, its him, De Gea, Jones, Januzaj and perhaps RVP.
Beside keeping these players in a time where we are struggling , are in danger of losing out on CL football and already will need to replace half a dozen players in the summer (Vidic, Evra, Rio, Nani, Kagawa, Hernandez etc) its unwise to let go of your best and (one of the few) performing players we have in the team.
What is it, though? I think it's the target man, as I think he's lost some of the thrust that made him very good at playing behind the striker.
Problem is, of course, there's the little matter of Van Persie.
Kagawa
Anyone that think Kagawa has what it takes to decently replace Rooney at this team, needs to get their head checked.
We have Evans, Smalling, Jones, Keane for the centreback postion and Büttner for the fullback....
hold me !What sort of ambition do you have for the team ? Those players except for Jones and Evans perhaps aren't good enough to be lead players for a club that wants to get into the top 4. None of them have show the required level on a consistent basis, they have played alot this year and most of the time have made serveral costly mistakes, almost one every game. Keane hasn't even played on the highest level yet and Büttner is nowhere near good enough to be playing for us (and never will be). With Rio, Vidic and Evra gone, we will need to bring in one or two new fullbacks and definitely a good new quality centreback. Those don't come cheap, we'll probably have to spend upwards of £50m this summer just to adequetly solve our defensive issues and replace all the players that won't be renewing their contract.
We'll probably need to spend the same amount to finally solve our midfield issues aswell this summer and we'd do well to replace nani as a winger aswell. If you'd let go of Rooney and would need to replace him in the team (I don't think RVP will be playing every game next season) with a player of similar quality we'd bankrupt ourself. We already need to replace more than enough players as it as, Rooney signing a new contract and staying at the club until the end of his career is a massive positive for the club, anyone failing to see that, just sigh
Reading the thread there are some mixed responses.
My reasons why this deal is good:
My reasons why this deal is good:
- He's been one of our best players this year and says/looks happy under Moyes.
- Good players find a way to play with each other and attract other good players.
- He's another long term player at United, remember his debut.
- He should now be at his peak.
- We need to keep our best players at the club right now as we've failed to replace some of them in recent years gone by and are actively looking for top players.
- Footballer's wages are ridiculous anyway and increasing along with TV money.
- We've managed to convince a top player to stay at the club.
- You wouldn't want him lining up against us, he'd score for sure.
- It's less to give him a pay-rise than it is to shell out on another big player who will probably want similar.
- It's a ridiculous amount of money especially when you consider we may have pulled out of big transfers or not landed players because of wages.
- He's not exactly gone about it in our preferred way in recent years.
- It shows how vulnerable United are commercially and with players compared to yesteryear.
- Slight fitness concerns if he gets complacent (or whatever it was that made him fat). He will pick up more injuries and he always takes a few games to get back into it.
- He hasn't progressed like we've seen Ronaldo into one of the best players in the world (he had the potential).
- Mourinho.
- We'd move on after him regardless, it'd just take us a little longer to get back to the top.
- I don't get paid anywhere near enough for the **** I do at work.
Glad he'll be staying, quality for the team wise, but never worth £300k a week. Agree with what some others have said as well about him throwing a strop and getting what he wanted after all TWICE, which was money.
Hopefully he can get back to scoring great goals instead of floating around the middle of the pitch trying to do Beckham like hollywood balls.
Hopefully he can get back to scoring great goals instead of floating around the middle of the pitch trying to do Beckham like hollywood balls.
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Serious question. When was Rooney at his best or what would you call his best season as a footballer, not necessarily production wise.
Rooney is simply more than a footballer to us. In American sports he'd be called a franchise player or face of the franchise. When most people thought about Manchester United the first player that sprung in their mind is Wayne Rooney, since Ronaldo left us. That's why he can ask for bigger wages without totally destroying our wage structure. He is a great player to have and him signing a new contract would mean that atleat 2 of our best player are here for the next few years. I don't like Rooney and I'll never see him in the same way as Scholes or Giggs, but for the club it was the best decision to keep him. If we still had SAF I'd sell him this summer, but with Moyes, we need every bit of quality we can keep.
Rooney is simply more than a footballer to us. In American sports he'd be called a franchise player or face of the franchise. When most people thought about Manchester United the first player that sprung in their mind is Wayne Rooney, since Ronaldo left us. That's why he can ask for bigger wages without totally destroying our wage structure. He is a great player to have and him signing a new contract would mean that atleat 2 of our best player are here for the next few years. I don't like Rooney and I'll never see him in the same way as Scholes or Giggs, but for the club it was the best decision to keep him. If we still had SAF I'd sell him this summer, but with Moyes, we need every bit of quality we can keep.
Yes but he is playing much better, he just needs to add more goals to his game again. The team hasn't been great and he's had to play all over the place. In terms of what I said, he should in theory be at his peak plus there is the opportunity for him to adapt his game as he grows older like Scholes and Giggs.
I'd have loved United to have done the same with Ronaldo but he would've left regardless. You can appreciate the lure of Chelsea, Mourinho, and their number 10's. He wouldn't of exactly been on a low wage there either.
Probably RVP at this rate! Regardless of the exact figure, top players will want big wages that are in a similar wage. An extra £50k a week is hardly going to cripple United especially when we have such a big squad and some players hardly getting a game whilst buying players at over-inflated prices (Fellaini).
I cant believe we have such miserable supporters to actually not be happy about Rooney signing a new contract. We just made sure our best player ends his career with us. Used to moan that he wants to leave now your moaning cause he's committed to stay. Good thing is when all you sad feckers are long gone Rooney will already be down as another Manchester United legend and our all time top scorer whether you like it or not.
Supporters moan about almost anything.
If he left: we can't keep our players etc.
If he stays: we paid too much etc.
Basically, people will complain regardless. The hope is the decision makers at the club don't listen.
Seriously. Rooney must have the best agent in the world, he needs a medal.
'No player is bigger then Manchester United'.
Except errrr...Wayne Rooney. Apparently.
Except errrr...Wayne Rooney. Apparently.
For me best moment this season will be if he signs that new contract..
It just shows the huge difference in managerial styles of Moyes and Ferguson. Sir Alex did whatever it took to be in control and never let a player cross the line. Moyes will bend over backwards for Rooney.
I hope success can be achieved both ways. I fear there was only one way.
I hope success can be achieved both ways. I fear there was only one way.
How is he beding over backwards here?
Rooney staying is nothing but good news if you consider the alternative.
How is he not? And it started well before here. Sir Alex clearly wanted him out, Moyes made him the main man, wants to give him a new contract, captaincy and all
Moyes is the manager now. Sir Alex isn't. He sees Rooney as part of the team - Sir Alex probably didn't. How does that make Moyes bend over backwards? Rooney's issues with Fergie shouldn't have a bearing on how Moyes deals with him.
We've done everything fathomable to keep him and not upset him. Its pretty obvious.
Like not playing him in midfield? Oh wait, Moyes did that.
By calling him RVP's backup? Oh wait, Moyes did that
You aren't making sense.
The way I look at it, Moyes is securing one of the few parts of the team he hopefully is not going to have to sort out this summer, it does offer some stability knowing Rooney will be here in what looks like a summer of wholesale changes.
Of course, if Van Persie leaves...
Of course, if Van Persie leaves...
He didnt start him in midfield, which Rooney complained about. Rooney said he thinks he deserves to start in his preferred position. Wheres your sense now?
A payday fixes everything when you're Wayne Rooney.
Its absolutely baffling to suggest we arent pulling all the stops out and doing everything remotely possible to keep him, aka bending over backwards. The only point of contention is whether its worth it.
and what's wrong in that? Why would a striker be happy being played in midfield? I would have been disappointed with the deal had Rooney not put the required efforts on pitch and still holding out for a big deal. He is putting real efforts here and I don't see that stopping even after signing deal. 300k per week or 250 per week doesn't matter to me. Club management will take care of it. As I have said somewhere earlier, it is crucial for us to retain the core of DD-Rafael-Evans-Jones-Carrick-Mata-Januzaj-Rooney-RvP and then add 3-4 quality players in required areas. Of all the players mentioned above, only serious risk of losing a player was Rooney so it is fantastic if he is signing contract to stay.
I dont think we should, but its not absolutely wrong to do it. Leighton Baines is an icon at Everton, Wayne Rooney is an icon at United, for better or for worse. For someone to not even admit we're doing everything possible to keep Rooney is the silly part.
See, there is difference between using phrase 'doing everything we(club) can to keep him' and 'bending backwards.' You are suggesting both are same, when they are not. At the moment it is a mutually beneficial thing between club and him so there isn't much wrong.
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