Perhaps he is trying so hard to be like Kagawa that he's inventing reasons to have his stomach pumped.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Know a few people who aren't happy with him getting a renewal.
Fair enough.
We should be emulating City in how they have been able to incorporate Silva and Nasri from the wide positions and get the best out of them. This nonsense about Rooney being able to just pass it out wide should stop. His one tough passing and passing through the middle is good enough. All that needs changing is the mentality that's been drummed into our players that we can only score from crosses and that needs to come from Moyes.
So the alternative is to carry on the way we are and limit what our record signing can do?
I'd sooner see a change in system. Rooney signing a new contract is fantastic news in that it surely signals that the club mean business, or else why would he sign? But, if he's to remain rooted alongside Van Persie as a result of it then I can't see much improvement in our football, particularly under Moyes.
The thing with Rooney is he spends a third of the season injured, a third regaining his form after injury and a third earning his substantial salary. In effect, we would be paying £900K a week for a third of a season of World class football.
Yup, absolutely agree. I do believe that all three of Kagawa, Mata and Rooney can be played behind RVP and it would work.
Let's hope he delivers performances worthy of a 300k a week player.
That story was ridiculous when you think about it. What did he really happen ? Didn't Kagawa deny eating too much ?Of course we'd all love to see a change in the system more than anything, but until we have the personnel to accommodate a more fluid system with a more lithe player in the hole rather than a stocky brute, I think we'll have to stick with Rooney there. I just hope we make the change soon or else Mata will head down the same path Kagawa has started on.
Indeed, although I do think we have the personnel already, just not the coaching staff.
You are comparing a trend in Rooney's case with a hypothetical injury involving Mata?
Was that the original question?
However it is fair to ask if Rooney should be first choice as either No 9 or No 10, if the answer is the the negative could Moyes or any future manger refuse him a claim on them. And wnbjere he to be deployed where is most convenient for United he'll be kicking up a fuss once again.
Good news. The club has now put itself between a rock and a hard place and can't afford to quibble over money. Rooney's re-signing at least averts the possibility of a complete meltdown next summer.
But you have to wonder about Rooney's mental processes. Twice he tries to force his way out of the club under the greatest manager in football history, with trophies coming faster than the clients in a red light brothel, and now, under a manager whose very name causes penile deflation across the land, he can't wait to sign!
But you have to wonder about Rooney's mental processes. Twice he tries to force his way out of the club under the greatest manager in football history, with trophies coming faster than the clients in a red light brothel, and now, under a manager whose very name causes penile deflation across the land, he can't wait to sign!
What trend? He's done it twice in what 10 years now and last time it was plain to see that he had fallen out with Fergie rather than it being money related. Fergie's no longer the manager so I see no reason why he wouldn't be as motivated as he's now in 3/4 years time. Your scenario is just as hypothetical. If Fergie had followed your logic he would never have signed RVP because he had history of injuries and he 'might' have got injured.
The point is, why do we need to replace Rooney at all? As long as he is fit and playing well he'll rightfully be first choice.
To all the critics here, you rather see Rooney go for £25m in the summer to Chelsea ? You aren't going to throw up when that happens ?
I really can't see how it isn't positive for the club to keep Rooney on board. We need players like him if we want to get back to become a title winning club. Not useless players like kagawa...
For everybody who is freaking out over the paygrade, the £50.000 a week extra isn't going to make a world of difference for us !
About the captaincy, I can't think of a player in the squad that would earn it more than him atm. With Vidic and Evra gone, he is the logical choice. He has been at the club for 10 years, he has always been an important player for us, he has always worked hard for this club when he was on the pitch and from all reasonable candidates, he is the one that is the most player making the most minutes. You're going to give it to the ex gunner RVP who has been here just one year ? You are going to give it to a player like Carrick or Fletcher who aren't preforming on an acceptable level and might be nothing more than squad players come next year ? David De Gea and Jones who are both far too young to be captain of a team like Manchester United ? No, Rooney is the logical choice.
I really can't see how it isn't positive for the club to keep Rooney on board. We need players like him if we want to get back to become a title winning club. Not useless players like kagawa...
For everybody who is freaking out over the paygrade, the £50.000 a week extra isn't going to make a world of difference for us !
About the captaincy, I can't think of a player in the squad that would earn it more than him atm. With Vidic and Evra gone, he is the logical choice. He has been at the club for 10 years, he has always been an important player for us, he has always worked hard for this club when he was on the pitch and from all reasonable candidates, he is the one that is the most player making the most minutes. You're going to give it to the ex gunner RVP who has been here just one year ? You are going to give it to a player like Carrick or Fletcher who aren't preforming on an acceptable level and might be nothing more than squad players come next year ? David De Gea and Jones who are both far too young to be captain of a team like Manchester United ? No, Rooney is the logical choice.
Can people stop talking about wages etc? Firstly, the amount is not known. It will include all sorts of add ons like goal bonuses/team of week/clean sheet (no, seriously) and image rights which are not known until after the fact.
Secondly, the club is not run by a talk talk customer service rep. The club know exactly how much rooney makes for the club, Stretford will also know that. Rooney isn't holding anyone to ransom, the club will pay him what he is worth to the club and not a penny more. How much that is, we add supporters certainly can't say.
He's a world class player, he's finding his form again, better with us than anyone else.
Secondly, the club is not run by a talk talk customer service rep. The club know exactly how much rooney makes for the club, Stretford will also know that. Rooney isn't holding anyone to ransom, the club will pay him what he is worth to the club and not a penny more. How much that is, we add supporters certainly can't say.
He's a world class player, he's finding his form again, better with us than anyone else.
He and his advisors have quite clearly mugged United to perfection.
If the figures are correct I think it's pretty ridiculous and the club will have their work cut out to justify the rewarding of it. The guy has given us one arguable world-class season in the last 4-5 years, then suddenly he plays pretty well for half a season and is rewarded with a contract that places him in the Ronaldo/Messi bracket, which he emphatically isn't and never will be.
He better play out of his fecking skin the next 4 years and start turning in seasons of sheer brilliance. He's got his wish now, he's clearly "the main man" in the eyes of his pressurised manager. So lets see it Wayne, not just for a few months.....a few years.
If the figures are correct I think it's pretty ridiculous and the club will have their work cut out to justify the rewarding of it. The guy has given us one arguable world-class season in the last 4-5 years, then suddenly he plays pretty well for half a season and is rewarded with a contract that places him in the Ronaldo/Messi bracket, which he emphatically isn't and never will be.
He better play out of his fecking skin the next 4 years and start turning in seasons of sheer brilliance. He's got his wish now, he's clearly "the main man" in the eyes of his pressurised manager. So lets see it Wayne, not just for a few months.....a few years.
Exactly. The phrase 'world class' gets banded about with Rooney as though it's a given, when I think it's a real reach. I assume you were referring to 09/10 as the candidate for his world-class season? That season, tellingly, he was playing as a lone striker. He never has been nor never will be a world class number 10, yet it wouldn't surprise me if Paul Stretford engineered him playing there into his contract, such is Rooney's coveting of the position.
It's more about keeping your best players at a time like this. His contract may set a monetary precedent but letting him leave would set another.
I realize we basically have to give him what he wants given our current situation but I still don't like it. He gets paid well over what he's worth already when comparing his performances to other players in his wage bracket. He's getting paid as if he reached his full potential when he most certainly hasn't lived up to his promise--largely because of his own behavior.
I can't wait 'til he shows up to training in the summer a stone overweight as United captain.
I can't wait 'til he shows up to training in the summer a stone overweight as United captain.
300k a week? An absolute joke. Can't believe that -- yet again -- we've rewarded his petulant and childish antics with a bumper new contract. Should have sold the fat poisonous cnut to Chelsea in the summer.
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Yes 09/10 was the one, and he was stunning until that injury, the complete forward that year. I've always felt that was where he is best utilised as it makes the most of his attributes. Jose clearly thinks so but Moyes and more importantly, Rooney himself, appear to believe he is better behind the main striker. Whether that is the case or not there is another player we now hold who is the epitome of a classic 10. Unfortunately he won't ever get the shirt number or the position.....and that is pretty disappointing considering the potential.
The thing with Rooney is that he never moved on to the next level, like, say, Ronaldo. Although he can be fantastic for periods of the season, considering the player he was in his late teens/early 20's, he didn't make that leap to the top echelon where everyone expected him to be. Maybe he should have done a Ronaldo/Bale and gone to Madrid or Barcelona a few years ago?
He hasn't signed a contract yet half the Car seem to know how much he will be on. Let's put some faith in the club over this, eh? He may well end up being United's best paid player but the club are not just going to give him that without clauses and the like. The club by and large is pretty good with these things, it would seem, so have some faith.
Plus, Rooney seems to enjoy playing for DM so why not keep him...seems to work so far under him.
Plus, Rooney seems to enjoy playing for DM so why not keep him...seems to work so far under him.
A sign that we don't intend to crawl off into the dark and die rather than a sign we are planning to take Europe by storm.
Securing one of our best players (and along with Januzaj probably the only player in the entire squad to actually exceed expectations this season) on a long-term deal while the club is in relative free-fall, is a positive news story.
Agreed. Ferguson would have fecked him off the second he started whining again. Instead, for his petulant antics he's rewarded with unprecendented insights into the club's transfer dealing, a bumper contract and possibly the captaincy.
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De Gea's agent will understandably seek much better terms from United in light of this news [more deserving in his case mind you] and so shall every player we approach.
People talk of the players it may attract yet equally you must consider those it push out the door, Kagawa and Hernandez were already on their way but i think this news must cast doubt over RVP's future too.
A trend of inconsistent form and questionable commitment, it has been a cycle which has repeated itself time after time and by no means deserving of his old salary as things stand presently let alone a pay rise. And are not the reasons why Fergie became disillusioned with the player of most relevance here? This contract will in all probability justify Rooney's views at that time.
If Rooney's presence in the first team is detrimental or more specifically starting in that role which suits his wants, then yes that might happen to be the best course of action. And if only way to keep him is by offering a contract so befitting, then he should be sold abroad or left to play out the next 18 months.
People talk of the players it may attract yet equally you must consider those it push out the door, Kagawa and Hernandez were already on their way but i think this news must cast doubt over RVP's future too.
A trend of inconsistent form and questionable commitment, it has been a cycle which has repeated itself time after time and by no means deserving of his old salary as things stand presently let alone a pay rise. And are not the reasons why Fergie became disillusioned with the player of most relevance here? This contract will in all probability justify Rooney's views at that time.
If Rooney's presence in the first team is detrimental or more specifically starting in that role which suits his wants, then yes that might happen to be the best course of action. And if only way to keep him is by offering a contract so befitting, then he should be sold abroad or left to play out the next 18 months.
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Have United been so very good with these things whenever they involve Rooney/Stretford? Arguably we've not been anywhere close to good value with our financial dealings since Fergie and Gill left their posts.
His early form could be interpreted in several ways though: to prove a point to SAF, to increase the number of interested teams following last summer's fiasco, to bring about a contract offer just like this one, or because Moyes was being accommodating of his demands.
Where will be the motivation for an ageing and injury prone Wayne Rooney two seasons down the line, after all a fair amount of that 300k is going to keep on flowing regardless.
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So what do you guys want? Save the 300k (or however much it actually will be) and instead sell Rooney and make an already turbulent period even worse? Yeah that would be brilliant.
Selling Rooney would really not be the end of the world.
I don't care about the money spent to keep him, I'm happy he's staying and hoping for him play better and more consistently.
Or because he's just enjoying his football again and wants to do well and win trophies. It's almost as if you want to be negative and looking for reasons to moan about the club or Moyes or Rooney. You'd probably sit here and moan and find a way to blame the club if we signed fecking Messi.
How about winning trophies? He'll be 31/32 in 2/3 years, hardly ageing either.
A lot of reds fail to see this. Club like United does not fall apart by removing one player.
Wheres this crap about him being informed of all the transfer dealings sprung up from? When he asked Fergie to sign Ozil? Seems like forum whispers to me...
Fergie wrote in his book that Rooney was demanding we sign Ozil...Fergie told him to go do one
So he's going to be on Ronaldo/Messi money? Urghhh.
With the club finishing 7th, in transition, Rio, Vidic and Evra likely to go, lots of other sales, I think losing Rooney at a time like this would be absolutely disastrous. We're unlikely to even be able to attract someone of similar quality in the summer.
Our pulling power is obviously lessened by the lack of CL football next season, but losing Rooney wouldn't be disastrous at all. Life goes on and so does United.
That hasn't always proved to be a sufficient incentive in the past you know.
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