Rooney's a lifer here now and he'll beat Charlton's record. It has always been simply too awkward for him to move, the only place would have been Chelsea. His performances have made it impossible for us not to bow down to him. It's great news.
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Well it is really - we're not a sugar daddy club so the money the club has comes from the traditional sources being fans, either directly through match-day revenue or merchandising, or indirectly through TV revenue or the sponsorship deals (based on the eyes watching United every week). If Manchester United didn't have the fan base it has then the money would not be there for Rooney would be able to get £300k a week. The Glazers certainly wouldn't be paying that from their own personal fortune like Roman or Mansour, but once the money arrives in the club's coffers then it's better to see it invested in the players and the team then see it leave the club on the debt or dividends, etc.
I'm surprised he's staying TBH - the money is one thing but given the state of the club and the uncertainty about our future then I thought he'd make his move to Chelsea sooner or later. Let's hope he shows the commitment expected of a player like him going forward.
I can't even imagine the thought of losing Rooney right now. Maybe 2/3 years down the line it wouldn't be so bad. Right now he is one of the most marketable names in Europe and not just in the league. He is our best player. And considering the current team morale it would do us more harm than good. The press would have a field day, every time we drop points Rooney will be mentioned. It would be used as a stick to beat our donkey over and over again. He is worth 300k no doubt about that.
Are you sure that it does not worry you because you want to see the continued decline of Manchester United and that Rooney resigning is a big step to halting that decline?
There is also the matter of Wayne Rooney having been here ten years now. He will have been with us for 14 to 15 years by the end of this contract. He is also be rewarded for his loyalty. The same reason that Wes Brown was given an 80k a week contract. It says that the club looks after the players who commit to the cause. City throw 180k a week at guy like Baloteli who stick around for two years, cause a bit of a stink and then disappear. Those are the guys that you should be worried about. This won't be a Suarez situation either where the player has get out clauses in his contract.
I would say that was the opposite on here.
I don't take any of these papers by their word. I wait to see what happens, if we went by all the stories we read.....
People spent the whole summer complaining that we don't spend money. Now that we are spending money it's termed as brash and crude. Moyes and Woodward just can't win. They could sign Messi and you'll still be complaining about how desperate the club are.
The laughter should be at a five-and-a-half year contract of all things, and how European's agents shall be falling over themselves to meet with our negotiators.
Wise spending is surely still a part of the process though? Most if not all of the post-Fergie expenditure has carried with it the perception of weakness, a short term expedient rather than a plan.
If this contract contains a significant number of incentive based clauses then i mi9ght moderate my view somewhat. I also don't see how both the player and the club couldn't have been well enough served by a time period of 3-3.5years say.
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I disagree. Some people want him gone despite being the player who has saved our asses this season
Along with Januzaj, they're the only players who've actually looked as if they've given a feck at times this season.Great news if Rooney signs a new deal. He's our best player.
I imagine he's managed to remove any clauses that rely on Champions League football to trigger payments.
I imagine he's managed to remove any clauses that rely on Champions League football to trigger payments.
No I just mean it worries me that it will ultimately come down to who has the most money, it could cause a ripple effect throughout the league.
I don't think it goes a big way to halting that decline as Rooney would have still been here regardless I think but I have voiced my opinions in this thread in the past about how Rooney is your most important player- moreso than RVP. Kudos to United I respect the fact that it is your own money you are spending unlike Chelsea/City, but football rivalries and all aside, £300,000 per week for any individual is madness, I mean he will eventually run out of things to buy
The type of goals suarez is scoring. Rooney right now would never be able to score.
This line tat Rooney been United's best player is a puzzle to me, on what basis are people raking such a determination?
Of all our players would he be considered the one closest to the elite in his position? Has even his top level of performance during 13/14 surpassed that of RVP's last year or De Gea's more generally?
Of all our players would he be considered the one closest to the elite in his position? Has even his top level of performance during 13/14 surpassed that of RVP's last year or De Gea's more generally?
Never? You're talking about the guy who scored this type of goal:
The Rooney right now can also score goals like this:
This is great news for us, if true.
If we sold him/let his contract run down, the Caf would be in uproar. We offer him a big contact and the Car is in uproar. Surprised it's not Moyes fault all of this.
Great news if he does sign a new contract. Shows commitment, and that he gets what Moyes has planned. This is huge news for United. Imagine how much he'd cost to replace?
Great news if he does sign a new contract. Shows commitment, and that he gets what Moyes has planned. This is huge news for United. Imagine how much he'd cost to replace?
These provisory lines fans draw on player wages always make me laugh. As if somehow 250k a week is perfectly fine but 300k!? Absurd money that's going to ruin football!! How do we justify to ourselves that 200k a week or 100k a week of 50 k a week (ffs) hasn't already completely tainted the sport? In 5 years time 300k a week will be the norm for the top players and we'll all be debating how absurd it is, how detrimental to the game it will be when someone is being offered a contract for 400k a week. And so on.
I hear lines like 'Player x is quite simply never worth £300,000 a week. That should be for the very top players...' all the time and I wonder if people realise how incompatible that argument is. Once you start arguing some players are worth 300k a week you may as well just stop there, because your argument has no substance. You're drawing these intangible lines between incomprehensible sums of money and it's an argument that just doesn't conform.
I hear lines like 'Player x is quite simply never worth £300,000 a week. That should be for the very top players...' all the time and I wonder if people realise how incompatible that argument is. Once you start arguing some players are worth 300k a week you may as well just stop there, because your argument has no substance. You're drawing these intangible lines between incomprehensible sums of money and it's an argument that just doesn't conform.
So what's the situation? You guys seem to be speaking as if the new contract is concrete, but everywhere is reporting it's not true?
No I just mean it worries me that it will ultimately come down to who has the most money, it could cause a ripple effect throughout the league.
I don't think it goes a big way to halting that decline as Rooney would have still been here regardless I think but I have voiced my opinions in this thread in the past about how Rooney is your most important player- moreso than RVP. Kudos to United I respect the fact that it is your own money you are spending unlike Chelsea/City, but football rivalries and all aside, £300,000 per week for any individual is madness, I mean he will eventually run out of things to buy
Hate to break it to you but it already is the case that the richest clubs do the best: Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Manchester City, Chelsea and so on. Liverpool have always been very big spenders anyway, it isn't like you guys are not already at the party.
I think that will be a massive boost for the club if Rooney resigns. Along with the signing of Mata it will help us attract players in the summer. If Rooney had jumped ship it would probably been a bigger blow symbolically than in football terms. I am not sure if he would have stayed another year if he had agitated for a move either. It would have been better to sell him and move on.
Personally I do not think that he is worth those wages but considering all the variables the deal makes sense for Manchester United.
What happens if the Rooney of 12/13 bears a closer resemblance to the player we'll see in the years ahead, shall we then have a £300k/week millstone sat on the bench?
Zero? Given first Kagawa and now Mata's acquisition by the club.
Zero? Given first Kagawa and now Mata's acquisition by the club.
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Cost of the new contract is about 15m a year so 4.5 years would be about £67.5m
Alternatives are pay 6months wages at 250k aprox 6.5 million then sell him in the summer (circa 15m in the last year of his contract) and then replace him (probably 30m+ transfer fee and 200k pw+ for a comparable player)
So 70m transfer and wages of new player + 6.5m rooney wages - 15m fee = 61.5m but the risk that the replacement is more lamella than hazard
or keep him till the end of his contract 19.5m wages then look to replace him... (the most expensive option of all)
300k is a lot but its the going rate for a player of his quality with only 18 months on his contract
Alternatives are pay 6months wages at 250k aprox 6.5 million then sell him in the summer (circa 15m in the last year of his contract) and then replace him (probably 30m+ transfer fee and 200k pw+ for a comparable player)
So 70m transfer and wages of new player + 6.5m rooney wages - 15m fee = 61.5m but the risk that the replacement is more lamella than hazard
or keep him till the end of his contract 19.5m wages then look to replace him... (the most expensive option of all)
300k is a lot but its the going rate for a player of his quality with only 18 months on his contract
Disappointed with this news, frankly. One, I find him self-interested and over-rated, and second the sheer amount we'll be paying him. Surely even his most ardent fans don't find it acceptable that he's going to be on £300k/week when he's 34?
I'm sure they would have taken into account the no. of shirt sales he makes for us? I always get confused in that argument, whether we receive a % or the full price or whatever. But he is our biggest shirt seller for the past decade by quite some distance, so I would imagine this has a lot to do with it, not just his performance on-pitch.
BBC are reporting it as a five year deal.They rarely report things like this if there wasn't any substance to it.
What happens if Mata breaks his legs in training tomorrow? We'll have a player sitting on the sidelines having paid 37m for him. Terrible business clearly.
We need Mata and Rooney. Give me a single,logical reasoning why the two of them can't play together in the same team and produce the goods. Less said the better about Kagawa. The thought of replacing Rooney with Kagawa is laughable.
Hopefully it's true that he signs the contract. Let's be honest here, he's a bigger draw for players and sponsors than Moyes is and the club would find it much harder to rebuild if Rooney decides to leave.
In their most prolific seasons, neither Kagawa nor Mata have eclipsed Rooney in what they produce. The talk of them replacing Rooney is absurd. If they show that they are capable then by all means, relegate Rooney to the bench in favour of them, but until they do it's just ludicrous to badmouth Moyes for playing him and not 1 of them in the 10 position.
I have to admit, I'm not happy. I don't think we should be paying Rooney anywhere near that amount, especially considering his sulks, transfer requests and the fact he's neither our best striker nor no.10.
I can see him getting the captaincy too, as if giving him special scoop on our transfers wasn't enough. Moyes seems to think he's a player that's bigger than the club.
I can see him getting the captaincy too, as if giving him special scoop on our transfers wasn't enough. Moyes seems to think he's a player that's bigger than the club.
I wish we had thrown a bit of this cash around when SAF was manager. To think of the players we missed out on for the sake of a few months of Rooney's salary e.g. Hazard, Moura etc
Well, in his best season Mata scored 19 goals and 35 assists for Chelski, which gives him the total score of 54 goals and assists combined. Statistically wise, Rooney's best season was 11/12 for us and he produced 34 goals and 10 assists for us, which gives score of 44 g/a combined.
I'd say that Mata pretty much can produce what Rooney can.
Absurd my arse. Ignore the stats, our football would improve immeasurably if Mata replaced Rooney as the #10. His nous, weight of pass, close control and vision is on another level.
Rooney should be wide left as part of a 433 or right up top whether he signs a new contract or not.
I'm amazed people aren't happy for this.
If Rooney leaves, we'd be going through a transition period within a transition period. He's been with us for 10 odd years now - that's actually rare these days I'd say. He's pretty much a one-club guy considering he joined us when he was 18.
I know I may get slated for painting a saint-like light on him, because I'm sure I should say that it's expected from a player. But as I said, there aren't many players out there who've been at clubs for 10 years and he's Wayne fecking Rooney, the player who has carried us through the first half of the season. If he wasn't with us, then no doubt we'd be in the bottom half of the table now
Very good point. How many of us who have been in any sort of relastionship for 10 years, be it personal or professional, that has not has its serious down points (as well as obvious high points). The turbulance is to be expected in a realtionship so stressful and full of emotions.
Sure, as fans we get carried away in the moment, but every United fan has to be delighted if he signs a new 5 year deal, effectively retiring at the club after 15 years of service. Personally, I've been as annoyed as most fans with his various low points but right now I'd be delighted if he signs and hope he gets the captaincy.
My post was a bit wooly, but I think in the right system both Mata and Kagawa could be superior No. 10s to Rooney, however in our system I can't think of anybody who would produce as much as Rooney does. Neither Dortmund or Chelsea play as expansive as we do and as a result of that, I just can't see either of them influencing the team anywhere near as much as Rooney. Hopefully, Moyes will change us up, and if we do buy midfielders who can be relied upon without Rooney having to drop deep and pull strings then I expect him to have to fight for his place.
There's no deal agreed according to the club.
Rooney has put up better numbers than them but so did Mata for Chelsea compared to the players who were ahead of him. Sometimes the better player isn't always the player who will get the most out of the team as a whole though. Kagawa/Mata might not put up Rooney's numbers, they might however help to put up RVPs and the two wide attackers and as a unit produce more than the difference in Rooney's output and theirs.
Yes, yes all well and good to have all the attributes of a ballerina but the truth is, our system does not play to these strengths. You could have the greatest close control in the world, and your vision could be unparalleled but it would mean sweet FA if all you have is a bunch of static players stood in front of you. Kagawa, and arguably Cleverley are examples of players who have good close control and vision but are made to look poor in our system.
If you are going to throw out stats then you should mention that Rooney only played 44 games that season thus ending up with 1 g/a per game which would be higher than Mata's rate.
A mate of mine sent me a text telling me "he feels like throwing up"
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Nope, he was talking about Rooney and his new contract. He's a massive Kagawa fanboy though
Yup, that's true, but I can't do very much with the fact that Chelsea did get Europa League that season and played more matches in FA cup / COC. Rate would be indeed higher, it doesn't mean that Mata was worse than Rooney that season.
Yea fair enough, I just think that currently we're whining about lack of creating, being dull up front and Mata can produce more assists than Rooney from that #10, while naturally Rooney can get more goals. It's pretty much for the 'Who's better #10' debate and I don't want to bring it here
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