Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Can't remember where I heard this - but some pundit said it during the week - that Torres has scored more than Rooney this season and gets slated, yet no one mentions Rooney's apparent poor season.

Here's the thing: Rooney has played 23 and scored 12 - Torres has played 39 and scored 15. Ah right, so Rooney has played 16 games less and is a whole 3 goals behind. What a bizarre statement it was.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Can't remember where I heard this - but some pundit said it during the week - that Torres has scored more than Rooney this season and gets slated, yet no one mentions Rooney's apparent poor season.

Here's the thing: Rooney has played 23 and scored 12 - Torres has played 39 and scored 15. Ah right, so Rooney has played 16 games less and is a whole 3 goals behind. What a bizarre statement it was.
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Torres has already played in 39 games this season.....that's a lot of fecking games.

RVP has the most appearances for us @ 29.

All these nonsense cups, do add up.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Can't remember where I heard this - but some pundit said it during the week - that Torres has scored more than Rooney this season and gets slated, yet no one mentions Rooney's apparent poor season.

Here's the thing: Rooney has played 23 and scored 12 - Torres has played 39 and scored 15. Ah right, so Rooney has played 16 games less and is a whole 3 goals behind. What a bizarre statement it was.
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Add to that the fact that anyone who watches the games, rather than just the goals scored column, can see that Rooney does everything in our team, and has for the most part been brilliant. Whereas the only thing Torres does for Chelsea is waste half the chances Mata, Hazard and Oscar serve him on a plate.
 
Big Papi said:
He's 7th on the league scorers list for United...63 behind Charlton. He's 4th on the 'All Comps' scorers list....58 behind Charlton.

At current scoring and apps rates, he'll take little over 5 seasons and almost 6.5 seasons to reach the overall and league marks (after this one).
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I really really hope Bobby Charlton is alive to see that.
 
Brightonian said:
Add to that the fact that anyone who watches the games, rather than just the goals scored column, can see that Rooney does everything in our team, and has for the most part been brilliant. Whereas the only thing Torres does for Chelsea is waste half the chances Mata, Hazard and Oscar serve him on a plate.
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I posted a list of the teams who Torres had scored against this season. Most goals came at home and the vast majority against lesser opposition. His best efforts were against Arsenal away and Shaktar at home.
 
For all those comparing Rooney's contract situation with Rio's or Keane's ...

Within the club, Rooney's public statement was seen as major disrespect. Read what Paul Scholes said about it in an interview since then, at the time he was surprised and disappointed, which presumably is traditional Scholes understatement. The issues Roy Keane and Rio had were to do with fair compensation for their abilities. Rooney had that point in his favour before he went off message and started bringing the club into his agenda. As Scholes suggested, no one questions SAF publicly and it's just not how things are done at United.

So please don't compare the situations. I'm well, well past feeling let-down by a footballer and his contract but don't pretend he was acting within standard negotiating procedure.
 
Well to be honest, we're not really sure how 'standard' or not this is. The big difference between most contract negociations and this one was that SAF decided to make it public and came out and said exactly what was going on behind closed doors. He was basically calling out Rooney's bluff, and it turned out brilliantly. But are we absolutely certain that this kind of situation has never happened before (or since)? Or do we know that any similar occurrences have just been kept quiet?
 
Gazza said:
For all those comparing Rooney's contract situation with Rio's or Keane's ...

Within the club, Rooney's public statement was seen as major disrespect. Read what Paul Scholes said about it in an interview since then, at the time he was surprised and disappointed, which presumably is traditional Scholes understatement. The issues Roy Keane and Rio had were to do with fair compensation for their abilities. Rooney had that point in his favour before he went off message and started bringing the club into his agenda. As Scholes suggested, no one questions SAF publicly and it's just not how things are done at United.

So please don't compare the situations. I'm well, well past feeling let-down by a footballer and his contract but don't pretend he was acting within standard negotiating procedure.
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Thats true but it wasnt Rooney who put the dispute out in the public domain. It was fergie who made it public.

Rooney was happy to keep it behind closed doors.
 
It is interesting that some fans are so eager to castigate Rooney for his contract incident whilst they still idolise players like Law and Best. Law has admitted that he refused to play for the reserves in his time at United, essentially because he thought it was beneath him, whilst Best caused many problems through his wild lifestyle.

Rooney apologised publicly for his actions. I am sure that we can forgive him for his poorly judged actions.
 
KM said:
12 goals and 9 assists in 20 starts this season. He's world class.
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He's still in the top 10 players in world football....Barcelona and Real Madrid would take him without doubt. Even off beat he still offers something, be it an insane desire to track back 80 yards and tackle someone near the corner flag.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Lets see

1: Granny-gate
2: Disrespecting the memory of Emlyn Hughes by throwing the black armband on the floor
3: Repeatedly missing important United games due to suspension, usually caused by being a bit of a twat.
4: Spending about a 3rd of each season either injured or looking for form after an injury
5: fecking hookers while his wife is at home pregnant with his son
6: Holding the club to ransom
7: Playing like the retarded offspring of brother and sister for two months AFTER holding the club to ransom
8: Slagging off England supporters who had spent thousands of pounds to follow the team for booing after they had played like spastics in a magnet factory.

Ill admit he is a very talented player and on the pitch makes us a better side more often than not but likable...........piss off. The bloke is a cnut, and it will take more than a season and half of no head lines and a dodgy new barnet to change THAT.
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Your hatred towards that man is unhealthy.


Platato said:
To be fair, most of RvP's goals have been much better finishes than Wayne's two goals on Wednesday night. But hey let's get defensive because Wayne isn't getting equal praise to van Persie. Let's wax lyrical about a tap in.

Rooney did well yesterday but unfortunately he faded as the game went on. If he was able to keep his first half performance going, we might have unlocked Southampton's pressing game more effectively.

I'm not sure you'll find many people saying RvP was better than Wayne on Wednesday so no worries there. With Wayne, it seems to be always about inconsistency. And where there's inconsistency, you'll find critics. The quality of his play fluctuates so much. I have said it numerous times. On stats alone, you could say Rooney is having a pretty good season. Add in his performances and by his standards, he could be doing much better.

All that being said, I'm a bit surprised no one really commented in the van Persie thread. Thought the lad was invisible for most of the match. Didn't really look for the ball as much as he usually does.
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First of all, since I'm on the defensive, he's been quite unlucky with injuries this season, he's been in and out of the line-up, generaly playing deeper and sometimes out wide to accomodate others, and he still put up more than respectable numbers.

Is it his best season? Clearly not, I mean for one thing he'd have to have played more. However it is apparent, that whether or not Rooney is a MOTM candidate/winner on a day the football that United play is noticably better 9,5 times out of 10.

This season RvP has done more for us than Rooney I won't deny that, but for whoever thinks Rooney wouldn't have had a bigger contribution (atleast goal wise) if he was in RvP's position is wrong. We wouldn't be as strong as a team, but the responsibility would be bigger on Rooney's, Chicharito's and Welbeck's shoulders and it would more or less even it self out.

I love RvP and don't want to take any sort of dig at him, but he was basicaly invisible for the most part and noone said a thing, whereas Rooney would get atleast a pagefull of digs for the same thing. Which is where the problem lies with most people.

RvP is great, but it seems like all he has to do is one good thing on the pitch and already you'll see 5+ posts in the thread saying how awesome or classy that was, whereas Rooney can score 2 goals, press, tackle, etc. and you'll get things like: "Yeah, he scored 2 goals I'll give him that. But I don't know, just doesn't seem good enough to me." (not picking you out on anything, just speaking in general). I don't know, I guess I just want them to be judged equaly, without and prejudice because Rooney is deemed unlikable to some. (and the fact that RvP is clearly still high on life after signing that contract :D)


Lynk said:
Rooney also plays deeper
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and he came off the bench atleast 2 or 3 times out of those appearances.
 
OGkush said:
Your hatred towards that man is unhealthy.





First of all, since I'm on the defensive, he's been quite unlucky with injuries this season, he's been in and out of the line-up, generaly playing deeper and sometimes out wide to accomodate others, and he still put up more than respectable numbers.

Is it his best season? Clearly not, I mean for one thing he'd have to have played more. However it is apparent, that whether or not Rooney is a MOTM candidate/winner on a day the football that United play is noticably better 9,5 times out of 10.

This season RvP has done more for us than Rooney I won't deny that, but for whoever thinks Rooney wouldn't have had a bigger contribution (atleast goal wise) if he was in RvP's position is wrong. We wouldn't be as strong as a team, but the responsibility would be bigger on Rooney's, Chicharito's and Welbeck's shoulders and it would more or less even it self out.

I love RvP and don't want to take any sort of dig at him, but he was basicaly invisible for the most part and noone said a thing, whereas Rooney would get atleast a pagefull of digs for the same thing. Which is where the problem lies with most people.

RvP is great, but it seems like all he has to do is one good thing on the pitch and already you'll see 5+ posts in the thread saying how awesome or classy that was, whereas Rooney can score 2 goals, press, tackle, etc. and you'll get things like: "Yeah, he scored 2 goals I'll give him that. But I don't know, just doesn't seem good enough to me." (not picking you out on anything, just speaking in general). I don't know, I guess I just want them to be judged equaly, without and prejudice because Rooney is deemed unlikable to some. (and the fact that RvP is clearly still high on life after signing that contract :D)
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Mate, they're never going to be judged equally because their roles clearly aren't the same. As I said before, Rooney doesn't have to be all over the place. I doubt it's something in the tactical instructions either. However, because we know Wayne's tendencies we allow it as it's not been detrimental to how the team plays.

To answer your point about Rooney playing where RvP is now, I don't think he'd have as good as a goalscoring contribution. It might be close but even when Rooney had his 30+ goal season for us, they largely came in spurts. Again, I think RvP has more consistency in his goalscoring so I guess we'll disagree there. Another poster already answered why van Persie probably didn't get criticised for his performance against Southampton. Perhaps you should look at their reasoning and respond to that.

I don't really see the need to be defensive. The role Rooney takes up for this team means he will get more criticised more. It's simply one of the consequences he has to deal with. If Rooney was a player who was more consistent with his form and in his role then I doubt there would be so much criticism. RvP will get criticised when the goals start to dry up and he's not really contributing anything to the team. Just because he is invisible for one game doesn't necessarily warrant fans sharpening the knives at him.

You need to realise that by stating Wayne Rooney as the catalyst/heartbeat/soul of our team comes with a huge amount of expectation. The consequence of doing so means anytime he does not live up to this expectation, there will be criticism. When you see an important player not playing up to his ability, it's a tad bit frustrating. Fans put him on that pedestal so you have to live with the criticism he gets for not living up to those expectations.

It doesn't matter whether or not it seems fair or equally judged, it will never be unless Rooney and RvP are put on the same pedestal. Both players are judged differently and unless that changes, I think you'll need to live with it and expect more of the same.
 
“To be honest, it was my choice,” Rooney revealed when asked if he was disappointed to have been relieved of penalty duties.

“It wasn't good enough. I went in to speak with the manager and said I'd spoken with Robin [van Persie] and told him he could take them.

“At a club like this, to miss two penalties like I did and not hit the target, it wasn't good enough.”
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Good and mature by Rooney.
 
The focus on RvP of late might just do him a big favour; we seen how much Liverpool concentrated on van Persie with Lucas basically stuck to him for the majority of the game - hopefully it'll give Rooney a bit more space in matches.
 
KM said:
Good and mature by Rooney.
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Can't score a fecking penalty for 200k, sell him.


Just kidding, very mature from him, but I hope he will improve his penalty taking technique, he will probably still have to shoot it sometimes.
 
Amar__ said:
Can't score a fecking penalty for 200k, sell him.


Just kidding, very mature from him, but I hope he will improve his penalty taking technique, he will probably still have to shoot it sometimes.
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Yep, he's recognised that he hasn't been good enough with them and hopefully he works hard on it so next time he has to take one he'll score. For now it is best for someone else to take penalties.
 
I looked it up:

Rooney has scored 18 pens out of 26.
van Persie's scored 19 pens out of 24.

Slightly better but I wouldn't say one was "shit" and one was "good"
 
Hernandez scored one very good penalty for us against Stoke but then the next one he took this season was atrocious so I'd rather have Giggs or RvP or Rooney take them instead of him.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I looked it up:

Rooney has scored 18 pens out of 26.
van Persie's scored 19 pens out of 24.

Slightly better but I wouldn't say one was "shit" and one was "good"
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That's over their careers. Right now, Rooney is having real problems with them, so RVP is comfortably better at it (though not immune to Uniteditis, obviously.)
 
Just give Giggs the penalty taking duties.
 
100 said:
The focus on RvP of late might just do him a big favour; we seen how much Liverpool concentrated on van Persie with Lucas basically stuck to him for the majority of the game - hopefully it'll give Rooney a bit more space in matches.
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And also less pressure on his shoulders when it comes to scoring goals.
 
Brightonian said:
That's over their careers. Right now, Rooney is having real problems with them, so RVP is comfortably better at it (though not immune to Uniteditis, obviously.)
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Rooney's only missed one more than RVP this season. I really think people need to get it out of their heads that the Dutchman is a great penalty taker when he's not really any better than Wayne. Of course, Giggsy aside, there's not really any other choice to take over if Rooney doesn't want them, but still, don't think this means our wastefulness has been cured.
 
Chabon said:
Rooney's only missed one more than RVP this season. I really think people need to get it out of their heads that the Dutchman is a great penalty taker when he's not really any better than Wayne. Of course, Giggsy aside, there's not really any other choice to take over if Rooney doesn't want them, but still, don't think this means our wastefulness has been cured.
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VP missed against Southampton, I thought Rooney had missed 4 or so this year including pre season.
 
Sandikan said:
VP missed against Southampton, I thought Rooney had missed 4 or so this year including pre season.
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3 including the preseason game vs Barca, 2 without that. RvP missed 1.
Rooney also scored 2 if I'm not mistaken and RvP scored 1.

It's not that Rooney has been shit or that RvP is "the best penalty taker", the difference is very small, however Rooney's getting criticised for everything while RvP is still "flavour of the month" :).
 
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