Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

Status
Not open for further replies.
It's not overrating, I think most objective and sensible football enthusiasts would say that Rooney on his day - key phrase 'on his day' - is right up there with the very very best.

The main thing that sets Messi and Ronaldo far above any other player is their 10/10 consistency. People are generally shocked if they have 1 bad game in 50. Whereas Rooney will generally only show his best in patches and is nowhere near as consistent.

The thing that excites me about Rooney though is that I think he could have a Van Persie-like bout of consistent form in his late 20's/early 30's.
 
kouroux said:
What do you mean right up there ? As good as Messi and Ronaldo ? If so, that's some overrating
Click to expand...

Never been as good as Messi and never will. 09/10 only Messi was better for me and as for second half of10/11 I would say he was alongside Xavi and Iniesta, just behind Ronaldo.
 
AttackingFlair said:
In 09/10 I personally believe only Messi was better than him that season (if we don't count the World Cup).

Second half of 10/11 he was right up there with the best. He's still got it in him to be right up there. He's all about being a team player though rather than individual glory and that's why he's so highly rated by managers.
Click to expand...

He might have been top 10 or even top 5 footballers at one point or another but never reached the heights of Ronaldo and Messi. Behind them it's very close so indeed he may have been there.
 
I'm not claiming he's hit the heights of Messi, he never has and never will (just like everyone else) but in that 09/10 season I think Rooney was slightly better than Ronaldo and at worse on par. That's only one season though, which shows its consistency that's holding him back. I don't think his versatility helps him here. He scored 34 goals last year when there was a period he was playing as a CM in a two man midfield or in other positions!
 
LawCharltonBest said:
It's not overrating, I think most objective and sensible football enthusiasts would say that Rooney on his day - key phrase 'on his day' - is right up there with the very very best.

The main thing that sets Messi and Ronaldo far above any other player is their 10/10 consistency. People are generally shocked if they have 1 bad game in 50. Whereas Rooney will generally only show his best in patches and is nowhere near as consistent.

The thing that excites me about Rooney though is that I think he could have a Van Persie-like bout of consistent form in his late 20's/early 30's.
Click to expand...

On his day or not, I think there has always been and will always be a gulf between Rooney and Messi.Besides on his day, any player can be a world beater, it's too reductive to look at things like that.
 
AttackingFlair said:
I'm not claiming he's hit the heights of Messi, he never has and never will (just like everyone else) but in that 09/10 season I think Rooney was slightly better than Ronaldo and at worse on par. That's only one season though, which shows its consistency that's holding him back. I don't think his versatility helps him here. He scored 34 goals last year when there was a period he was playing as a CM in a two man midfield or in other positions!
Click to expand...

Rooney's 09/10 season was very good, but also grossly overrated IMO. That highlighted sentence is evidence of that.

Despite his goalscoring in that season, Rooney has definitely had better seasons than 09/10, in terms of over-all play and contribution.
 
09/10 wasn't even Rooney's best season IMO. He scored the same number last year and contributed more in the build up.

The second half of Hernandez debut season was probably the best we have seen of him IMO, but he's a great player and has been fantastic in all seasons he has been here.
 
Red Dreams said:
His goal yesterday was simply what Rooney was about.

just an amazing player...and having him back as we approach these games coming thick and fast.....so much to look forward to.
Click to expand...

Agreed, getting him in those positions where he uses his instinct is so much more satisfying then him being really deep and trying to be a creative midfielder.

He's not one, and never will be.
 
He's 7th on the league scorers list for United...63 behind Charlton. He's 4th on the 'All Comps' scorers list....58 behind Charlton.

At current scoring and apps rates, he'll take little over 5 seasons and almost 6.5 seasons to reach the overall and league marks (after this one).
 
Sandikan said:
Agreed, getting him in those positions where he uses his instinct is so much more satisfying then him being really deep and trying to be a creative midfielder.

He's not one, and never will be.
Click to expand...

I agree with this. In 09/10 (comfortably his best season imo) we saw that. Even when having a poor game he has a predatory instinct and is able to score from almost anywhere around the box. Against Fulham he was dire for the entire game before controlling and finishing superbly for the first goal. When he is coming deep all the time he can be a liability with his wayward control and short passing. I think we've accepted inconsistency will always be a problem with Rooney but it's not so much of a problem when is playing as a pure striker. When he's asked to be the 'playmaker' then that's where it can get very frustrating.

I don't see Wayne as the heartbeat of the team that some do. Yes he can be world class playing that role but I don't think the attributes required to play that role are consistent enough.

Yes I know we are top but we're not getting the best out of Rooney, and won't do because of RvP. No bad thing obviously. I do think the two can be devastating together but Wayne will always be playing second fiddle which is testament to how good RvP is. I'll be uncomfortable calling him the 'third midfielder' if and when we play the likes of Madrid and Barca if we do play '4-4-2.' If Rooney's touch and passing is off then it puts huge pressure on our two in midfield because as we've seen when it's 'off' it's horrific.
 
Big Papi said:
He's 7th on the league scorers list for United...63 behind Charlton. He's 4th on the 'All Comps' scorers list....58 behind Charlton.

At current scoring and apps rates, he'll take little over 5 seasons and almost 6.5 seasons to reach the overall and league marks (after this one).
Click to expand...

That would be roughly 13 goals a season. He'll do it much quicker than that. If he stays fit he should do it in less than 3.
 
Thought he and Kagawa were our only players who came out with positives tonight. Rooney was great in the first half and while he faded a bit in the second, it was still great to see him running around and showing the passion at the end and hunting down and tackling players and easing the presure.
 
He has lost a bit of pace and it was evident today. It was a good performance though and Im really glad he is back in scoring touch.
 
He was great today. Vintage Rooney. Just in time for Madrid.

Now, time for the staff and players to figure out how to keep the ball.
 
kouroux said:
To think that some bellends were floating the idea that he shouldn't have automatically been inserted in the first 11.
Click to expand...

But he needs to play up front. Why waste his menace and directness in the middle third when he is so much more of a threat up top?
Unfortunately his appetite for defending means he always wastes his energies in deeper positions...course, if we had a better central midfield...
 
kouroux said:
To think that some bellends were floating the idea that he shouldn't have automatically been inserted in the first 11.
Click to expand...

OH MY GOD!!!!!! HEAVEN FORBID THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS!!!!!

AND ON A FORUM OF ALL PLACES!!!!!! WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE KIDDIES

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
One problem with the Rooney of today is that whenever he's put in the clear like RVP did, there's almost no way he'd take the ball towards the goal and have a shot, always checks in behind the defender and loses momentum, he has absolutely zero faith in his dribbling ability.
 
kouroux said:
To think that some bellends were floating the idea that he shouldn't have automatically been inserted in the first 11.
Click to expand...

Which was proven right, Fergie opted for Welbeck on his position against Liverpool and he got MOTM, while Rooney got around 20-25 minutes and looked poor in that match.
 
Amar__ said:
Which was proven right, Fergie opted for Welbeck on his position against Liverpool and he got MOTM, while Rooney got around 20-25 minutes and looked poor in that match.
Click to expand...

Now come on Amar, you have been here long enough to know by now that we must all tow the party line, Rooney must play in all circumstances short of actually loosing a leg, and in that case must then be on the bench. Any deviation from this POV means you are a bellend, a twat, cnut etc There is a dangerous idea spreading here that a forum is for debate, when really we are all supposed to log in and answer every post with "Quite right, how clever you are" or something very similar.
 
I thought he was poor last night, just like the rest of the team tbh. Very good finish for the first goal though.

As an aside, how bad is his pace now? Its completely gone. Like totally and utterly gone. That moment in the first half where he was played through on goal and he just couldn't get anywhere near it before the defenders got back was quite sad to see. I'm pretty sure Rooney of a few years back would have powered his way through on goal. So whats happened? Injuries? Age?
 
kouroux said:
To think that some bellends were floating the idea that he shouldn't have automatically been inserted in the first 11.
Click to expand...

Such opinions are warranted when you're not playing well. He was fine yesterday. You should start on merit. No one is undroppable.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Now come on Amar, you have been here long enough to know by now that we must all tow the party line, Rooney must play in all circumstances short of actually loosing a leg, and in that case must then be on the bench. Any deviation from this POV means you are a bellend, a twat, cnut etc There is a dangerous idea spreading here that a forum is for debate, when really we are all supposed to log in and answer every post with "Quite right, how clever you are" or something very similar.
Click to expand...

Hang on, wasnt everyone of the opinion we should sell him last week, as RVP is so much better? I cant keep up.
 
Amar__ said:
Which was proven right, Fergie opted for Welbeck on his position against Liverpool and he got MOTM, while Rooney got around 20-25 minutes and looked poor in that match.
Click to expand...

That's not what was meant by some posters, Rooney didn't start the Liverpool match because he wasn't up there yet from a fitness point of view and not because he didn't 'deserve' to start for United (and also because Hernandez was doing well tbh).
He was gonna always gonna be among the starters once he got back into the swing of things.


Sparky_Hughes said:
OH MY GOD!!!!!! HEAVEN FORBID THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS!!!!!

AND ON A FORUM OF ALL PLACES!!!!!! WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE KIDDIES

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Click to expand...

wtf man ? You're on your period ?
 
Platato said:
Such opinions are warranted when you're not playing well. He was fine yesterday. You should start on merit. No one is undroppable.
Click to expand...

I agree with you, it's just that Rooney has (more often than not) deserved to start for Man United.The Swansea match and his terrible performance in that one really changed some people's views of his season unfairly and then he got injured, it sort of left a negative lasting image from him to some.
I'm not saying he's undroppable by default, just that he's so good and has been performing so well for Man United that dropping him is next to impossible for SAF
 
IhabX7 said:
One problem with the Rooney of today is that whenever he's put in the clear like RVP did, there's almost no way he'd take the ball towards the goal and have a shot, always checks in behind the defender and loses momentum, he has absolutely zero faith in his dribbling ability.
Click to expand...

Indeed. Maybe coincides with his loss of pace. That would have been a goal 3-4 years ago.
 
kouroux said:
That's not what was meant by some posters, Rooney didn't start the Liverpool match because he wasn't up there yet from a fitness point of view and not because he didn't 'deserve' to start for United (and also because Hernandez was doing well tbh).
He was gonna always gonna be among the starters once he got back into the swing of things.




wtf man ? You're on your period ?
Click to expand...

Ive just got a bug up my ass about people slinging names at posters who disagree.....in a place that is built for debate :)
 
kouroux said:
I agree with you, it's just that Rooney has (more often than not) deserved to start for Man United.The Swansea match and his terrible performance in that one really changed some people's views of his season unfairly and then he got injured, it sort of left a negative lasting image from him to some.
I'm not saying he's undroppable by default, just that he's so good and has been performing so well for Man United that dropping him is next to impossible for SAF
Click to expand...

That's the thing though, is he really? His stats say so but what I'm watching doesn't really indicate to me he's playing that well. I have said it many times, the boy plays around 60-70% of his potential the majority of the time.

He's had good moments in a match but for the amount of times he receives a ball in a match, he certainly could be doing much better.
 
I have no pbs if someone disagrees with me.I just have this (very bad apparently) habit of ridiculing someone's opinions that I find really dumb.I take back the insult then
 
Platato said:
That's the thing though, is he really? His stats say so but what I'm watching doesn't really indicate to me he's playing that well. I have said it many times, the boy plays around 60-70% of his potential the majority of the time.

He's had good moments in a match but for the amount of times he receives a ball in a match, he certainly could be doing much better.
Click to expand...

He is when he's directly compared to the other players who are in competition for a starting place in the first 11 (Kagawa, Hernanez ...).
He may be playing at a level that doesn't satisfy us but it's still superior to the other player we have available.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.