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Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I don't think he didn't deserve to start, but I'm sure he was match fit. I am not one of those who would drop him after that poor game against Swansea, even though I am not his biggest fan as you probably know.
Thing is, as we all know, Rooney being match fit doesn't necessarily mean he is ready for big game(even though his performances in big games are excellent this year), because he needs couple of games after the injury to raise his form.
I don't think it's classic "player returning from injury" thing where he lacks sharpness and self belief(like Nani when returning from injury) or stamina(like Anderson), it's just his thing as always, it's inexplicable really.
hehe, I totally forgot about that, thanks for reminding me mate.
That's not quite the same thing as playing well for Man United though which is the point I'm getting at. It's the same with Nani. Our wingers have been so poor this season that his average performances are made out to look better than they are.
If he's playing really well directly compared to his competition for a starting place, then I'd say his competitors aren't playing that well at all. However, Hernandez and Kagawa haven't been that bad. You could say rooney has been better but superior? Stretching it a bit.
So not much praise even when he was MOTM and scored both goals securing us 3 points?
If RvP would've scored those 2 you'd all be praising how clinical he is (and just so we're clear, he is, he really is).
Just seems funny to me some people just refuse to give credit where credit is due, due to the fact that they dislike a certain player, even if that player has been a United player for over 8 years.
The 2nd half was a bad half all around, but even then I thought he did better than most out there.
Just keep it up Rooney, we need both you and RvP firing on all cylinders when we face Real
If RvP would've scored those 2 you'd all be praising how clinical he is (and just so we're clear, he is, he really is).
Just seems funny to me some people just refuse to give credit where credit is due, due to the fact that they dislike a certain player, even if that player has been a United player for over 8 years.
The 2nd half was a bad half all around, but even then I thought he did better than most out there.
Just keep it up Rooney, we need both you and RvP firing on all cylinders when we face Real
Are you honestly THAT supprised? He is easily up there with Suarez Terry and Gerrard as one of the most unlikable people in football, regardless of if he plays for us or not.
Great game I thought. 2 goals and his overall game was very good as well.
Rooney hasn't done or said anything stupid since swearing at the West Ham game and kicking out in the WC qualifyer.
His on-field petulance has almost completely disappeared and he generally seems happy to be here.
The contract saga was stupid on Rooney's part, no doubt. But get over it. He stayed in the end and United is better off with him.
People ask for more money. If any of us were in the position to get more money out of our employer we would do it. Kean did it, Rio did it and I am sure there are more examples but they didn't get blown up in the media.
Get the feck over it. He is here producing the goods.
His on-field petulance has almost completely disappeared and he generally seems happy to be here.
The contract saga was stupid on Rooney's part, no doubt. But get over it. He stayed in the end and United is better off with him.
People ask for more money. If any of us were in the position to get more money out of our employer we would do it. Kean did it, Rio did it and I am sure there are more examples but they didn't get blown up in the media.
Get the feck over it. He is here producing the goods.
It comes down to touch, in the first half Rooney's touch was immaculate and when he has that going, he just looks a different player.
In the second half it just wasn't quite the same and as such his performance tailed off a bit. Still, is great that he got another 2 goals, with him firing and the threat of RVP, defenses are going to have to start picking their poison. Obviously assuming we don't lose our minds and just constantly give the ball back to the opposition.
In the second half it just wasn't quite the same and as such his performance tailed off a bit. Still, is great that he got another 2 goals, with him firing and the threat of RVP, defenses are going to have to start picking their poison. Obviously assuming we don't lose our minds and just constantly give the ball back to the opposition.
yes, because to me isn't one of the most unlikable players. and apart from those who still can't seem to let shit go after all this time, after all his performances and apologies, neither do other United fans.
And those that "hate him" outside the club hate him because United is so good, and because he is so good.
Honestly, would people really "despise" Suarez, Terry and Gerrard so much if they were nobodies?
I mean I hate Suarez as much as anyone, but him playing for a successful (although not recently) and most importantly a rival club adds to the hate.
If United wouldn't win anything, and if Rooney wasn't the player he is, how many people would actualy dislike him?
Same for Terry, I know that if Chelsea weren't a threat we wouldn't give a shit about him, at best we'd be throwing digs at him (mocking/laughing).
I'd say he's been one of those likable - respected by those outside United - characters. He's got a reputation of honest, heart on sleeve footballers in Europe. Along with his obvious footballing skills as well.
People seem to think he's changed, which looks to be the case to be fair to him.
He is a hypocritical little cnut who beats up djs for not playing his choice of song, sounds like a lovely fella
Lets see
1: Granny-gate
2: Disrespecting the memory of Emlyn Hughes by throwing the black armband on the floor
3: Repeatedly missing important United games due to suspension, usually caused by being a bit of a twat.
4: Spending about a 3rd of each season either injured or looking for form after an injury
5: fecking hookers while his wife is at home pregnant with his son
6: Holding the club to ransom
7: Playing like the retarded offspring of brother and sister for two months AFTER holding the club to ransom
8: Slagging off England supporters who had spent thousands of pounds to follow the team for booing after they had played like spastics in a magnet factory.
Ill admit he is a very talented player and on the pitch makes us a better side more often than not but likable...........piss off. The bloke is a cnut, and it will take more than a season and half of no head lines and a dodgy new barnet to change THAT.
A lot of people I know see Rooney as a diver and a big time moaner
If anyone thinks Rooney is popular outside of United they need their head screwing on.
He's very popular with most England fans.
They just don't like him with a United shirt on.
I'd say most foreigners are either indifferent to him or have a grudging admiration.
I know he was always very popular and eulogised over in Italy.
Most non-United fans I know hate him with a passion, probably not helped by the fact he's hasn't had the most spectacular international career at times.
He is a hypocritical little cnut who beats up djs for not playing his choice of song, sounds like a lovely fella
Weren't you the one who put a load of shit in someone's petrol tank a few weeks ago as some sort of office related revenge mission? Causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage to a woman who'd just lost her job?
I don't think any England player gets his name chanted as much as Rooney.
32 goals in 78 games is a very decent international record.
And let's be honest, they don't have many other players to look to as a hero or icon.
Obviously loads of bitter Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime about too.
And it all changes when he puts on a United shirt, as with any United England international.
32 goals in 78 games is a very decent international record.
And let's be honest, they don't have many other players to look to as a hero or icon.
Obviously loads of bitter Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime about too.
And it all changes when he puts on a United shirt, as with any United England international.
If you think everyone who does something wrong is a cnut you probably haven't got many friends. Unless you think they're all cnuts too. Which makes you a hypocrite, just like Gerrard the cnut.
So you find assualting a dj with your friends and then blatently lying about it to be a non cnutish activity? And the hypocrisy is related to making a big song and dance about how players like ronaldo are ruining the game by diving despite being one of the worst culprits.
And as for my personal example of cnutish behaviour......with hindsight I was out of order, but lets not make her out to be some kind of innocent victim, she was repeatedly bullying and bellittling people, was I over the top....yes, but under severe provocation, would I do the same again in hindsight? Probably not.
So not much praise even when he was MOTM and scored both goals securing us 3 points?
If RvP would've scored those 2 you'd all be praising how clinical he is (and just so we're clear, he is, he really is).
Just seems funny to me some people just refuse to give credit where credit is due, due to the fact that they dislike a certain player, even if that player has been a United player for over 8 years.
The 2nd half was a bad half all around, but even then I thought he did better than most out there.
Just keep it up Rooney, we need both you and RvP firing on all cylinders when we face Real
This. When RvP scores a goal or two and does nothing else all game people talk about him like he's in the Ronaldo and Messi category whereas last night Rooney gets two goals and is probably our best player on the night and rushing about making vital tackles and interceptions even in the 93rd minute and yet he won't get half the praise RvP does.
The situation has become such that Rooney could go on a run of fantastic performances and score something like 10 goals in the next month but IF he has one poor game like that Swansea one, history will be rewritten and suddenly it'll be made to look like he's been shit all season.
I know people have a right to maybe dislike him a bit because of what he did but do these same people still hate Rio/Keane for their contract negotiations? Or Ronaldo for the absolute nonsense he did in 2008? Agreeing to Blatter's slave remarks and pretty much asking for a move all summer is as poor if not worse than what Rooney did imo. Rooney's here to stay and I think it would make sense for people to try get over their intense hatred for the person who's soon going to be our highest scorer of all time just because of one mistake that he made and not overscrutinize every poor performance.
Lets see
1: Granny-gate
2: Disrespecting the memory of Emlyn Hughes by throwing the black armband on the floor
3: Repeatedly missing important United games due to suspension, usually caused by being a bit of a twat.
4: Spending about a 3rd of each season either injured or looking for form after an injury
5: fecking hookers while his wife is at home pregnant with his son
6: Holding the club to ransom
7: Playing like the retarded offspring of brother and sister for two months AFTER holding the club to ransom
8: Slagging off England supporters who had spent thousands of pounds to follow the team for booing after they had played like spastics in a magnet factory.
Ill admit he is a very talented player and on the pitch makes us a better side more often than not but likable...........piss off. The bloke is a cnut, and it will take more than a season and half of no head lines and a dodgy new barnet to change THAT.
3) Repeatedly missing games? His last suspension was the abuse during the West Ham game? And that was one of the most ridiculous bans anyone has ever gotten anyway and he shouldn't have been banned for that. He picked up one yellow card all of last season as well so I really don't know how he "repeatedly" misses games due to bans. He's come a long way since the days he'd be a hot head and get stupid red cards. You need to get over your hatred to see that.
He's picked up just 21 yellows and 0 red card in his last 4 seasons with United in 142 appearances. Yeah really rash and suspension prone. One yellow every 7 games. Shocking stuff!
4) 180 games in his last 4.5 seasons at an average of 40 games a year isn't too bad eh? He's only really picked up a lot of injuries this year and that one after the Munich game in recent years.
6) He made a mistake. Just like many others at this club earlier and they don't get the same abuse.
7) Yes he played poorly but you conveniently choose to omit how he was our best player from December/Jan onwards that season.
To be fair if you look back in this very thread i have commented he seems to have grown up and I stand by that.. The post was meant to highlight the many valid reasons there arevfor not liking wayne rooney and I feel it achieved that.
As for not mentioning various good performances/periods of good form that is covered where I say he is a very good player and more often than not makes us a better side, I even bolded it in an attempt to draw it to your attention, but evidently I should have used a bigger font and maybe a bright colour, for that im sorry. I am not denying all that he has contributed to the side, I am saying that in spite of that he is a basically tough person to like. And he didnt make a mistake, he has made many which the club and supporters repeatedly forgave him for before throwing it back in their face........there is a difference between that and making a mistake.
I think the fact that Rooney questioned the clubs ambitions was seen as an insult to Ferguson himself, which for a lot of united fans is very difficult to forgive. Ronnie had always said he wanted to play for Real one day, we knew that Fergie knew that, he never had a bad word about Ferguson or United as a club in general. He was talking about being a slave to contracts.
Rooney dissed the club, Ferguson and the supporters with his rather childish arrogant alledged comments...its this that makes it harder to forgive or like the guy...he therefore becomes a quicker target for criticism etc.
well..that's what I think anyway
They're not completely wrong. He's an opportunist in the box, and constantly moaning is just in his nature. But let people dislike him if they want to. He always plays better with a siege mentality. He's had a disrupted season so far but at least he's finding some decent goalscoring form now. We're gonna need him sharp for tough tests ahead.
Exactly.
So not much praise even when he was MOTM and scored both goals securing us 3 points?
If RvP would've scored those 2 you'd all be praising how clinical he is (and just so we're clear, he is, he really is).
Just seems funny to me some people just refuse to give credit where credit is due, due to the fact that they dislike a certain player, even if that player has been a United player for over 8 years.
The 2nd half was a bad half all around, but even then I thought he did better than most out there.
Just keep it up Rooney, we need both you and RvP firing on all cylinders when we face Real
To be fair, most of RvP's goals have been much better finishes than Wayne's two goals on Wednesday night. But hey let's get defensive because Wayne isn't getting equal praise to van Persie. Let's wax lyrical about a tap in.
Rooney did well yesterday but unfortunately he faded as the game went on. If he was able to keep his first half performance going, we might have unlocked Southampton's pressing game more effectively.
I'm not sure you'll find many people saying RvP was better than Wayne on Wednesday so no worries there. With Wayne, it seems to be always about inconsistency. And where there's inconsistency, you'll find critics. The quality of his play fluctuates so much. I have said it numerous times. On stats alone, you could say Rooney is having a pretty good season. Add in his performances and by his standards, he could be doing much better.
All that being said, I'm a bit surprised no one really commented in the van Persie thread. Thought the lad was invisible for most of the match. Didn't really look for the ball as much as he usually does.
Probably because he's been carrying us virtually all year and nobody dares question him. Everyone's allowed a few poor games here and there, and rvp has been the most consistent goalscorer we've had for a while.
Anyways, onto Rooney, I thought he did well and was probably our second best player on the night but still not as good as he can be. He's picking up form at a good time though, with Madrid coming up soon. Without him in the team we look completely different, and we look a lot less threatening up front. He does so much for both our midfield and our attack, not only when he's on form but when he's off form as well. He does so much that because he is always so involved, his poor games get highlighted much more.
Also on him being likeable, most people who support teams outside of the premier league really like him and admire his style of play.
Putting Rooney and Gerrard in there is just wrong... Suarez is hated because he of the cnutish behaviour he does in games (some dirty tackles, biting someone's ear, evra incident, diving, punchable face, etc.). Terry we all know why he's seen as a cnut, and he's hated by pretty much everyone.
Not sure why you mention Gerrard and Rooney though, just because you might hate them, doesn't mean you can say that they are the most unlikeable people in football. Maybe for you, not for most of everyone else though. Gerrard is widely respected by loads of footballing fans around the world and most people don't even know about his incidents.
Rooney hasn't done much to be called a cnut either really. He dives a bit, but much less then your average footballer. There's loads of other players around the world hated more than Rooney.
Also going by your list of why Rooney is a cnut, what do you make of giggs? After all, he did have an affair with his brothers wife for 7 years or so. Much more of a cnutish thing than most other players have done. Him being a united legend doesn't change that, just like that doesn't change him being a united legend. Keep the shit they do off the field separate from their on field stuff, and judge them primarily on how they play for us. Ad with Rooney, you can't fault his effort on the pitch.
In my opinion, he tries to do too much. I think he's more effective higher up but not necessarily where RVP is. He just likes to be everywhere and sometimes it's great, other times it's not. He shouldn't have to take on all that responsibility but he does. So when I see him playing well below his standards, I'm going to critcise him. I think that's probably why Rooney won't get as much praise as van Persie (especially on current standing). Attempting to be at the heart of everything means when you mess up, there's nowhere to hide.
You're probably right about the van persie thread. Just usually even if a player has been playing well, there's at least one person who bumps said player's thread talking about their poor performance.
193 goals for United in 388 appearances. Sometimes the numbers don't tell the whole story...but sometimes they do.
Wayne Rooney :adore:
No other 'star' player gets asked to do so much, lead the line...play in the hole, play out wide, fill in for a missing midfield player.
For all the talk of inconsistency(not that they aren't valid) - a strike rate of just about a goal every other match is outstanding. The other interesting thing I find is, so many people think he is easily replaceable - yet they think we could get 40mil for him.
How many 40mil pound players are 'easily' replaced?
Wayne Rooney :adore:
No other 'star' player gets asked to do so much, lead the line...play in the hole, play out wide, fill in for a missing midfield player.
For all the talk of inconsistency(not that they aren't valid) - a strike rate of just about a goal every other match is outstanding. The other interesting thing I find is, so many people think he is easily replaceable - yet they think we could get 40mil for him.
How many 40mil pound players are 'easily' replaced?
12 goals and 9 assists in 20 starts this season. He's world class.
This thread is a bit mental.
All his braces have been really valuable. The ones against Reading, Stoke and now Southampton. Crucial goals and not just ones to put the icing on the cake.
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