So? That still makes him only 28.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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That would still make him 28.
Smokes in the summer? Thats one of your excuses? Come on please, if you are trying to give excuses come up with something better than that. He is 28. You talk like he is 33 and he is going to be done in a couple of years.
A lot of players have fitness issues. He has looked fine this season. Yes he has lost a yard of space since a few years ago but he adapted his game better now. He is a better passer, he is a smarter player as a result and knows which positions to take to make up for the loss in pace.
He can slip down to midfield then. Especially is Moyes is like Fergie and we still don't have midfielders.
Not sure if it's sarcasm but, assuming it's not - even if his stock does plummet over the next few years, you think Rooney will stick around if we don't play him due to plummeting and we would not be able to flog him? Unless you don't have faith in the club being able to get a player of their books whenever they want to, then only does a long term deal not make sense. Otherwise it's to the benefit of the club.
Excuses for what?Good on him playing for his new contract this season, very commendable. I guess we'll see what happens, but he won't last at the top.
I can't think it sensible for the club to be putting a player such as Rooney on a contract of that scale for five years, simple as that.
Rooney's form as recently as last season, the likely toll of his body shape and age as we approach the halfway point in the deal, the risks are too high.
Something closer to three years accompanied by the necessary bonuses would be more fitting IMO.
Contrary to what the pundits might say he is still a way off his best form, 4-5 months of better application on the pitch shouldn't result in the United brass' capitulation.
Erm, yeah?
You think anyone else is going to offer him 300k if he declines as a player? And no, we can't get a player off our books whenever the hell we want to.
Excuses for him not lasting at the top for a long time?
Good on him playing for his new contract this season, very commendable. I guess we'll see what happens, but he won't last at the top.
We're less reliant on Rooney than we've ever been since Ronaldo left. Can't see why we'd choose to compensate him like that. That being said, it's not my money and Wayne Rooney is a fantastic player so whatever. Despite the size of the deal it's not like he was on pennies before, so long as it doesn't affect our transfer dealings significantly then so be it.
Ridiculous. It would be simpler to make him manager.
That doesn't make sense, for starters.
Maybe that's stipulated for when he retires.
That's called reasoning, not 'excuses'. HTH.
Don't panic people, when he's not up to it in the PL anymore and he still has 2 years left on his contract we'll sell him to someone in the MLS with more money than sense.
Still doesn't make the club stupid, they are the ones that see him regularly and are making a far more informed decision than you can. It's actually a normal practice to tie top talent with long term lucrative contracts. Regardless of what's been reported, the very least we can expect the club will do what it needs to protect itself. It's not like the contract will be "We pay you 300k a week for the next 5/6 years" - no other provisios.
Also, it's not just better application only but, has truly been better form and that's evident except when judgement is clouded by dislike for the player. Beyond that it's also been a case of leadership on the field.
300k is a load for any player, it might be too much but, I wouldn't classify as stupid, maybe a bit excessive at best.
It makes the fact that Chelsea sold us Mata even more confusing. I was sure that Rooney would be going the other way but now that doesn't seem to be the case. Something is amiss here.
I dont know why people still think that.
They got 37mil for a wantaway player they didn't need. Nothing is amiss.
Yeah, apparently we have given him details about all our plans, transfer targets etc to make him stay.
Worst thing is, some actually believe that.
I believe it and I think it's perfectly reasonable.
He's a Scouser, playing for a Manchester club, a world class player who is signing the last big contract of his career.
He wanted assurances he's not signing on to a side that won't win anything in the next 4 or 5 years. Fergie has gone now, it's an unsure time, I think his fears as a player who has to think about his legacy are reasonable.
He's not Giggs or Scholes, he joined us to win things, don't be so naive to think he loves this club. He's an Evertonian.
Personally I'm happier these reports have come out as it shows he still has ambition and the club matches it.
Or would you rather he just said "oh £300k a week, where's the dotted line?"
There's a massive difference between giving him assurances that we'l be signing players for the 1st team in the near future and telling him exactly who we are signing and all our plans as seems to be suggested in some quarters.
And no, I dont think he loves us. That ship sailed quite some time back.
What if we have some things in place? Let's say Vidal and Reus have verbal agreements and we are at a sticking point in negotiations where he's worried about our future and UCL football and what not. You wouldn't mention that you have two world class players coming in that will transform the side to smooth things along?
Would I mention we have 2 top players coming in? Yes. Would I give him names? No.
You simply cannot give that much power to a player. We have too many stars to set that kind of a precedence.
I'm failing to see where Wayne would have any "power" in being told two names.
What's to stop other big players from wanting in on transfer plans during their renewals? What if he gets the names, refuses the contracts and fecks off to Chelsea?
You putting it beyond Stretford to use that kind of information to strengthen his position? Really?
Ignoring the 1st part?
Putting it beyond Stretford to use the info to further strengthen his position?
No player should be in on info like that. Not till the deal is in a very advanced stage atleast. Passing on verbal agreements about deals that'l happen in the summer? No way.
Whats that got to do with Stretford? Hang on, so you're syaing that Stretford would set this up and then use the 2 names Rooneys apparently been told like some hostage taker situation?
This gets better.How on earth could they possibly strengthen his position with that information?
"Wayne we're buying loads of World Class players, one of which we just brought in plays in your position."
"Oh right, well give me more money'
I did have my doubts that is was true.
Whats that got to do with Stretford? Hang on, so you're syaing that Stretford would set this up and then use the 2 names Rooneys apparently been told like some hostage taker situation?
You know Stretford's his agent right? An agent who stands to gain quite a bit from the negotiations or their breakdown?
And no, I didnt say Stretford would set this up with a plan to back out later and use the info against us. Dont let that get in the way of
s though.I ask again,
What stops from other star players in the future asking for similar inside info? I really cant believe am having to explain how a club's transfer targets and the status in terms of negotiations isnt information that is means for players to get them to extend a contract. 10-20k a week extra is totally different. Specially in a case like Rooney's where him and his agent have been a pain in the ass when it comes to contracts earlier.
To be fair it doesn't state he will be given specific names, it's probably either a short list or what areas we intend to strengthen. Saf asked senior players their opinion on ronaldo, also asked brucey and robbo about keane, it's nothing new. Making him captain though...... Not if I had my way, club captain would be fletcherinho with jones as deputy
I already said its fair to give him broad plans. I think it must have happened too, no big deal. Its the bit that's been branded about him being told exact plans and being in on future dealings etc that simply cant be true.
You know Stretford's his agent right? An agent who stands to gain quite a bit from the negotiations or their breakdown?
And no, I didnt say Stretford would set this up with a plan to back out later and use the info against us. Dont let that get in the way of
I ask again,
What stops from other star players in the future asking for similar inside info? I really cant believe am having to explain how a club's transfer targets and the status in terms of negotiations isnt information that is means for players to get them to extend a contract. 10-20k a week extra is totally different. Specially in a case like Rooney's where him and his agent have been a pain in the ass when it comes to contracts earlier.
How he would benefit from their breakdown is something that you only seem to know about so I'll leave that to you. To make money the negotiations must be successful and by accounts they have been; talksport have had it as their main story pretty much all day and at least 2 journos are 99% certain he's going to sign it. I never said you said it, I said you implied it...oh and
How he would benefit from their breakdown is something that you only seem to know about so I'll leave that to you. To make money the negotiations must be successful and by accounts they have been; talksport have had it as their main story pretty much all day and at least 2 journos are 99% certain he's going to sign it. I never said you said it, I said you implied it...oh and
Really? No point in this discussion then. Come back when you crack the tough puzzle of what Stretford stands to gain if Rooney doesnt extend his contract with us.
This 'discussion' is academic because whatever negative interpretation you've got isn't happening. Get over it.
Rooney's thick enough to give Stretford half his wages anyway.
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