Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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It's lunacy. Dunno where he gets all this insider information from, but he seems to know Fergie and Sir Bobby's exact criteria for giving Moyes the job, and now he's a buffed up on United's financial situation too. Or at least claims to be, even though he's just making stuff up.
"Not successful enough", says twat journo about the most domestically successful football club in the country.
Is he having a laugh?
Yeah, because that's the same thing.
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There's some hilarious shite floating about the papers and web recently. How one of the biggest clubs in the world can no longer be rich enough and then proceed, so the twit claims, to hand it's manager one of the biggest budgets in its history or so the twit claims again, is a bit of a contradiction, yes?
They aren't rich enough to buy expensive players, but they can give him one of the best contracts in the world of football. Logic.
I'm sure given our league position all top level additions will want assurances that they are not the only ones on the way before signing on the dotted line. If Rooney is being afforded the same courtesy as players not even registered to the club before deciding to retire here then I wouldn't be worried. As was said it's not like he's demanding certain players, just wanting to know if the war chest will be used or remain buried.
I have. Believe me. Maybe the word "haters" is a little strong, but some people just seem to completely hate Rooney. Plain and simple. No matter how good he's doing, or however much he's carrying the team, some people refuse to give him the plaudits he deserves for his performances because of their hate for him due to his past actions.
It's just quite funny.
Of course his contract talks couldn't be like any normal player could they, as if he hadn't been a big enough embarrassment already
I don't see anything wrong with giving players assuarances about the ambitions of the club. That (and huge wages) is how Chelsea and City were able to pull big name signings when they were still rubbish clubs with money. This season there has been a drop in our performances due to upheaval in the summer and years of under investment. There is a good chance we might not be in the champions League next season. If we are going to get big signings and retain our best players they need assuarances. That is why the signing of Mata is a positive. That is why keeping Rooney (even though I wanted him gone in the summer) is a huge statement of intent.
From Wikipedia. How to keep your star striker onside.
God I wish sir Matt was still in charge 
I am at turns sceptical and disbelieving of much of what has been alleged about Rooney and the club in recent days, and must hope that the footballing press is inaccurate in its reporting.
The rumoured contract sounds extreme, any such deal for a player with his past [and age] should be incentivised accordingly and more so as time passes. Maybe you front load it for the expediency of the times however to saddle the club with such a burden in the longer term is unwise IMO.
The captaincy shouldn't be a piece of collateral in some high stakes card game, the same goes for a role in transfer policy unless you are going to include a wider sample of the squad. It sounds awfully reminiscent of the tactics Arsenal adopted when their top players were getting itchy fit, i can't imagine that we approved of it in their case. I do trust Moyes has the dignity of the club and his position as manager in mind throughout these proceedings.
The rumoured contract sounds extreme, any such deal for a player with his past [and age] should be incentivised accordingly and more so as time passes. Maybe you front load it for the expediency of the times however to saddle the club with such a burden in the longer term is unwise IMO.
The captaincy shouldn't be a piece of collateral in some high stakes card game, the same goes for a role in transfer policy unless you are going to include a wider sample of the squad. It sounds awfully reminiscent of the tactics Arsenal adopted when their top players were getting itchy fit, i can't imagine that we approved of it in their case. I do trust Moyes has the dignity of the club and his position as manager in mind throughout these proceedings.
There have been so many articles about Rooney thing so not sure which one but, it was mentioned that it's thought part of the pay raise is based on performance.
Regarding the captaincy, it's been pointed out this summer we could well lose Vida, Evra, Giggs, Rio. Fletcher would probably be the only more senior player to Rooney in the squad and closest that leads on the field but, isn't likely to be playing every game. So it could very well be that Rooney has been told that becoming the next captain could just be a natural progression.
The amount of money being talked about - well can understand where the club maybe willing to bend a bit more than they would but, it's not a matter of bending over backwards. Should the reality of missing out on a CL spot happen, it will be very difficult to replace Rooney with another top top talent without spending even more money than we are putting towards him and the risk of that person not working out. Rooney at least is a known factor.
Regarding the discussing transfers. If I remember correctly some of the senior members were asked about how they'd feel about RVP coming in. It seems to be a norm that the most senior members at the club get let in on some of the possible targets, sometimes used as a gauge as how the rest of the dressing room would react.
The stories have probably been sensationalized. We might even be going against what Fergie said he told Rooney in his book, which was to just mind his business on the field and leave transfers to him. Fergie could do that because well he was Fergie but, most managers I bet lean on their most senior members just like Moyes is probably going to do with Rooney and probably a couple others in the coming years.
It is certainly possible that we might see the departure of all of those through one reason or another, although i'd like to hope that Moyes will convince Vidic to remain should that be necessary [purging the squad of all is elder statesmen would be unwise].
Perhaps United could have co-captains, one for attack and one for defence?
I would rather see the person for that on-pitch leadership role in the hands of a player farther back. If Moyes feels that he will play enough games in the near future then Fletch would be a good candidate until Jones is older.
Appearances too i would hope and for a bit a more than just the pay rise at that. At this point i feel i should make it plain that i see such clauses as future policy for all players and not Rooney alone.
Say we award him a wage somewhere between 250-300k and his form lapses next season again, or he picks up a serious injury, ought not the club be prepared with a sufficiently flexible contract? By all means offer the lure of impressive bonuses however maintain the basic at a rate that can be absorbed without difficulty.
So long as it cannot be perceived to be weakness on the part of Moyes or treatment not being afforded to other senior players, cause for disharmony or dissent othrwise.
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Latest reports suggest that the contract is all but signed and could even be announced tonight.
On their heads be it then.
On their heads be it then.
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"Fans in uproar over made up tabloid bullshit"
If I was Rooney, you are damn right I would want to know what the club's plans were for the summer and beyond. I will have absolutely no say whatsoever in transfers, but I would want to know where he feels we need to strengthen to ascertain whether the club shares my vision of the direction it needs to take. Style/tactics changes with Mata incoming etc. I would want to know all these things. Not because i am Wayne Rooney, but because i am a footballer about to sign a contract. You dont think Mata sat down with Moyes and spoke about where he would play, future signings, tactics??? (I don't necessarily mean exact names of signings just ideas on the type of players). The idea that moyes has t go check with Wayne before he sanctions a bid for a player is fecking ludicrous.
The money is irrelevant personally. Our owners might not be football fans or Mancunians but they damn sure know how to run the business side of it. If the owners think they can afford it, then pay him.
I agree with you on the captaincy thing though. If true, yes that would be hard to stomach. But isn't there just a chance that instead of being contractually obliged to be captain, moyes may have said "I want you to step up next year as the most senior member of the squad and lead the rebuilding". In fact a lot of these rumours seem to be offerings as opposed to demands no?? Moyes clearly wants him to stay; telling him you will make him captain and outlining the next 2-3 years, along with a big pay rise are surely the biggest weapons in his arsenal to persuade him to do so...
Not demands but sweeteners, surely??
Don't forget acting like a spoilt child. Mata has a bit to go yet.
Ah right. It's okay, with Wayne and RvP to teach him some stuff about trying to force your way out of clubs, he's in the right hands!
What's Van Persie got to do with it? Oh, it just deflects attention away from it. It could work if they were even nearly comparable.
It's all well and good telling a player, who you want to sign, what players you plan on bringing in to entice him to the club...
It's another running it by Wayne fecking Rooney!!...Is he gonna be involved in the negotiations for these players?
Shall we rename Old Trafford the "house of Scouse?"
It's another running it by Wayne fecking Rooney!!...Is he gonna be involved in the negotiations for these players?
Shall we rename Old Trafford the "house of Scouse?"
I am reading reports that he has signed a new contact untill 2019.
Info is from TalkSport, if it is correct I have no idea, not hearing anything from anybody else.
Info is from TalkSport, if it is correct I have no idea, not hearing anything from anybody else.
Now there are conflicting reports saying him signing tonight is not true.
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Why is there so much drama about the transfer information thing? It's probably so that he can see what our ambitions are in terms of strengthening the squad, and also to show that his position is not under threat. If that's what it takes to sway Rooney's decision then so be it. The manager obviously wants to keep him and is going to extra lengths to make it happen.
2019? Dear lord the club isn't that stupid is it?
Did Moyes and Woodward bake Stretford a flippin cake with their warmest regards too?
Two MEN journalists have been informed by the club & by Wayne's reps that there's no truth in it.
Playing well should ensure his position isn't under threat.
And we all know how sincere his concerns over our ambition was during his last bout of contract talks.
You can't really hate him that much to think it's actually a bad thing, can you?
Stupid how - tying down one of the teams best players on a long term contract is stupid now? If he continues to excel over the next few years he can't use the threat of leaving on a free sooner. If he isn't what we expect, then him signing a long term contract doesn't stop us from selling to a big money club.
It would actually be the club that benefits the most on a long term contract, not Rooney.
Wouldnt be surprised, this is Rooney's last big contract, with the position of strength he is in, I don't think they'd have accepted anything less than 5 years.
After all this, lets hope he stays fit and in form.
that can apply to half the nonsense thats been spouted all week....
Someone said Rooney will be having a saying in every transfer deal in the future.
Don't be daft, his stock is going to plummet over the next 3 or 4 years, and I'm sure he knows that.
eh?
He's 29. 5 years on 300k a week is big, specially considering his style. Don't think he's someone who'l be playing at a level to deserve that kind of money later in his career.
It is what it is though. If we want to keep him now, we have to pay what he wants.
He is just entering his prime if you ask me. 27-31 is where most players really reach their heights. After he reaches 32, maybe he declines but not until then especially if we sign some big names this summer. That will motivate him even more.
You're being too sensible for this thread.
It's probably killing some of the posters that he's going to stay here for another 6 years
He turned 28 in October.
Yeah, apparently we have given him details about all our plans, transfer targets etc to make him stay.
Worst thing is, some actually believe that.
Born Oct , 85.
Signing him on a new contract is a great thing in that it would when he leaves the club it will be I our terms. Signing him to a long, vastly inflated contract is not. Either way we'll never know the specifics so let's hope the club know what they are doing.
He was an early bloomer, has fitness issues at times, hardly comes across as the most dedicated professional and smokes in the summer. He's not going to last at the top for a prolonged amount of time.
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