Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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The worst thing about the alleged 300k contract is that every match he doesn't score a hatrick now, you'll have people coming out and wondering why we're paying him the alleged 300k wage.
 
The worst thing about the alleged 300k contract is that every match he doesn't score a hatrick now, you'll have people coming out and wondering why we're paying him the alleged 300k wage.

The worst thing would be paying him 300k a week.
 
I think SAF is spot on here, it's absolutely none of his business and isn't something we should accept our players demanding.



Imagine if we have a bunch of players telling the manager who he should or shouldn't sign? How is that a good thing?
But you accept that our squad is not as good as it should be? I dont know where you stand on the whole debate about how woeful our squad has become, I happen to think it is nowhere near as bad as some people make out but I concede that we have fallen behind a few of our competitors and I wouldnt say it is just City. Id say if we had the kind of quality players youd expect of a club of our size we wouldnt be in this position, we'd be able to afford to let Rooney go. The very fact he has so much leverage over us proves his point. Im repeating myself from posts Ive made just above so there's no point in going off on one about it again now. Anyway, that's how I feel. Rooney hasnt behaved that well but I think a case can be made that desperate times called for desperate measures. Either way Im not in the business of cutting off my nose to spite my face, which is what letting Rooney go would be. OK my face is a twat but Im not going to take it out on my nose. I need my nose. It helps me taste things.
 
It leaves a bad taste, he wanted to go a couple of years ago and got rewarded with an improved contract, it's rumoured that he wants to go to Chelsea so now we will apparently reward him with another new and improved contract.

If he doesn't want to be here, I'd rather he left. Call his bluff, let him leave and replace him with somebody younger. It'll cost us a lot of money, but so will 300k per week for somebody who clearly wants to milk us or leave. I still believe Sir Alex over the whole transfer request saga.

We have Van Persie, and with the introduction of Mata, I think we would not miss Rooney in a 4-5-1 with (a fit) RVP at the front.
 
Been out of the loop a bit over the weekend, so only heard about this from Talkshite this morning.

Sounds like Rooney is taking over the club or something. :wenger:

What I'd be worried about is that once he gets his payday, that his level of performance declines. I felt that is what happened after his last contract renewal and that he has been playing this 1st half or the season for his new contract or putting himself in the shop window. There needs to be some level of performance related pay at this level, how to measure that though? Goals scored? Passes completed? Miles covered on the pitch? It is difficult to measure commitment, it is something that people see differently & is a very subjective measure. I can see fans (on this forum) getting very disgruntled with him very quickly if his performances on the pitch fail to justify his new contract.
 
Rooney haters make me laugh. So faking much :lol:

Jesus wept.

At least read the thread before making pointless statements. Very few people - if any are "hating on Rooney" ... rather questioning the terms of this supposed deal.

Perhaps you could share why you think - if such a deal is rumoured to be true - we would be worth offering it to Rooney?
 
Yeah, same, I always assumed that to keep him we'd have to fork out a ridiculous sum anyway. I don't think people take into consideration enough just how big he is for the club though, and not just from a footballing perspective. There's a reason the club are always so willing to make him our highest earner, because he's easily the most profitable player for them too. it's not worth the money, but as someone said, to bring in someone at his level we'd still end up paying more overall in fees and wages (Cavani, for example). I think it's worth it, but not in a way that makes me happy, more of a necessary annoyance that I'll deal with.

Agree with what you're saying but perhaps we could do with a younger attacking player who is capable of playing wide.

Someone like Draxler (not him per se) on the wings with Janujaz and Mata and RvP as 10 and 9 would be picture perfect.

I think I agree with you that it's probably worth it overall for the reasons you mentioned, but if we can get a good fee for him (maybe a Mata type of fee) than I think we may consider selling.
 
This rumour helps no-one (not Rooney or the club) bar a journalist in search of page-views, so:

*It could be nonsense, or...
*It could merely be the kind of demands/requests agents make during negotiations on behalf of their star clients, knowing that most of these will be shot down (eg £Whatever-per-week; the captaincy; guaranteed starts; personal monkey; electric pencil-sharpener etc etc).
 
Rooney haters make me laugh. So faking much :lol:

Jesus wept.

Niall was just on about that, we reckon we actually need more irrelevant one-liner posts that ignore existing discussions taking place and criticize things that don't really exist or aren't really happening.
 
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Agree with what you're saying but perhaps we could do with a younger attacking player who is capable of playing wide.

Someone like Draxler (not him per se) on the wings with Janujaz and Mata and RvP as 10 and 9 would be picture perfect.

I think I agree with you that it's probably worth it overall for the reasons you mentioned, but if we can get a good fee for him (maybe a Mata type of fee) than I think we may consider selling.
I think Moyes would only sell him if there was literally no other option. We've seen how much he values him here so far, he's actually put priority on making Rooney our main man over RvP even when both are fit, a far cry from SAF last year. Unless he has absolutely no choice, I think he'll keep him.
 
The argument that paying him £300K/wk is better 'value' than replacing him & paying another player's wages is a very valid one, although it didn't appear to work where Pogba was concerned, notwithstanding that I accept there were other factors at work in that deal.

I remember the furore when we renewed Roy Keane's contract at £60K/wk, which was a huge sum at the time. Again it was easy to justify, he was our most important player at the time and replacing him would have cost an awful lot more than his new contract was costing.

Difference was with Keane was that we all new he was never going to give less than 100%, I don't really think you can say the same about Rooney though.
 
For me the money is the least hardest of the three to accept, even though to be honest he's not worth near that and I mean of course no player is worth that sort of stupid money, but within ridiculous contracts and as far as they go, he is not good enough or consistent enough for 300k per week.

I'd imagine having him here impacts on our commercial value also (leaving aside on field success), none of us are party to that sort of info, which is why I always think discussions about wages are a waste of time.

Choice of captain also has a lot to do with the dynamics of the group, which again none of us have a clue about.

In terms of what we should b judging players on (i.e. their performance) I think Rooney is a fairly natural choice for club captain.
 
Stretford really is a genius, I mean committing more than £62m plus the captaincy to a 29 yo Rooney is borderline insane. We could buy 3 players that would improve us instantly with this money (plus the cash we would make in case we sell him in the summer).
 
Ugh. If the rumours are true, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Like an article says, the mutineer wants to be the captain. Unbelievable. If he does get what he reportedly wants, 300k, captaincy and a say in transfer, then it'll finally hit me that Alex Ferguson has retired and we won't get to see someone remotely close to him ever. Like Chelsea selling us Mata, this smacks off short termism from Moyes and the club.

I can only console myself that in 5 years time, I won't have to see Wayne Rooney at the club.
 
There is no constant scale of worth. The club is damned for not spending and then accused of showing no backbone to spend. Rooney is worth that, more or less. He has been our best player this season and the transfer fee and wages to replace him would be around that fee, and the performances wouldn't be guaranteed. Last year people were happy to let him go and be replaced by Kagawa.
 
I've read that he's being offered captaincy and "inside information about transfers".

The feck is that all about?
 
I remember a long thread in 2010(?), when Rooney first went public with his desire to leave and questioned the club's ambitions, only to be rewarded with better contract shortly after. That thread was full of caftards, slagging him off, demanding him sold and labeling him ungrateful, judas and so on.

Now, after he's done it again, vast majority here seems to be happy to do anything to keep the fat bastard at OT, including a raise of his already obscene wages and even making him a new captain.

How times change.

The situation is a bit different, specially the team's general state makes a lot of fans wanting to keep the best players but then again you knew that I think but couldn't help yourself making a nice dig at Utd fans :p
 
Just give him a top player wages and be done. No need for all these other weird things that are being reported.
 
If rather we sold him then offer him that contract if it does indeed come with the captain and transfer bullshit attached. I mean for 300k a week, which is insane money anyway and way above his actualy worth, he should be over the moon. Not demanding to be captain which in itself is annoying considering how much of a cnut he is, but add on the transfer stuff and it is just insane. I mean would you feel happy if this wasn't just Rooney doing it, and players like Van Persie, Juan Mata, Januzaj, Kagawa etc started demanding to be involved in our transfer process or have access to information that is absolutely none of their business? Would you feel it's alright for players to disagree with the manager and tell him who he should have signed or not and get involved in that side of it? I don't really care if Scholes or Giggs have ever had access to this sort of thing, they sure as hell didn't make that a requirement for them signing on a new year deal with us. I'm not sure if any of that stuff is true though, but if it is and these are the requirements to him signing a contract, I'd be happier with him out of the club than in.
Agree with all of that. I think he's a quality player who we should keep but there's absolute no need to go ridiculous offering him silly wages and additional benefits. We have many top players. And none of them deserve that.
 
Anyway, all this - along with the 300K - just takes Rooney up to a new, seemingly undroppable level... which is fine if he's in his current form, as he's currently undroppable... but what if he hits one of his ruts (that we've all seen before?) for an extended period... wilL Moyes take him out of the team? This current rumoured offer suggests not.

Interesting point.

I'm not sure if the wage would mean that he's undroppable. In football wages aren't solely an indication of ability - it's also largely an indication of how much money they're worth to the business. Financially, Rooney must be worth a lot of money to United. Players aren't just players these days they're living advertisements. To me if we pay Rooney that much it suggests that he is indispensable, both financially and in footballing terms, but that doesn't mean he's undroppable.

That's not to say it will be easy for Moyes to drop him. Moyes certainly needs to show that he isn't afraid of taking on egos, he needs to prove that he can be strong and assert his authority, he needs to show he can be ruthless and make the right rational decisions and not be influenced by player status or salary. Moyes would also have to be strong to not be influenced by the media, who love to create drama about these things (Joe Hart being dropped, for example).

Another small thing that might be relevant here: I read a while ago, I think it was in a Secret Footballer column, that wages quoted like this (i.e, simply in terms of £XXX per week) are always a simplification of salaries which are actually more complicated. The gist of the column was that footballers' contracted wages include a large amount of incentives and performance related pay. For example, what a player earns will be dictated by how many games the play, goals they score, and how the team do in competitions. So there is always incentive, and if a player/team is underperforming he will usually earn less.
 
The argument that paying him £300K/wk is better 'value' than replacing him & paying another player's wages is a very valid one, although it didn't appear to work where Pogba was concerned, notwithstanding that I accept there were other factors at work in that deal.

I remember the furore when we renewed Roy Keane's contract at £60K/wk, which was a huge sum at the time. Again it was easy to justify, he was our most important player at the time and replacing him would have cost an awful lot more than his new contract was costing.

Difference was with Keane was that we all new he was never going to give less than 100%, I don't really think you can say the same about Rooney though.

I think so too. I'm questioning if he is good enough to warrant that much to be honest, or perhaps he is good enough, but not consistent enough to warrant such a contract. EPs point about marketing is a good one, but I think the money could be better invested in the long-run on a new, younger player.

I don't usually care about contracts or wages, but I just want to check if this is right and not me being retarded, if it's 300k per week for 5 years, would it be worth £78 million?
 
I think so too. I'm questioning if he is good enough to warrant that much to be honest, or perhaps he is good enough, but not consistent enough to warrant such a contract. EPs point about marketing is a good one, but I think the money could be better invested in the long-run on a new, younger player.

I don't usually care about contracts or wages, but I just want to check if this is right and not me being retarded, if it's 300k per week for 5 years, would it be worth £78 million?

300,000 x 52 x 5 is indeed 78,000,000.

I checked on my calculator & I'm an accountant so I know how to work one.

Looked at like that, if we could sell him for, say £25M, then we have over £100M to purchase and pay a player for the next 5 years, would that, say, make Cavani, the better prospect?
 
If he commits long term I can't think of anyone who would make a better captain out of our current players.
 
It's also worth pointing out that Rooney - at 28 - is in theory at his peak... so from these 5 years, how much football can we expect him to play at his current level? Certainly 2 years I'd say... but anything after that? who knows...
 
The money, while being ridiculous, is the least of my gripes with this. I reckon we can afford it. The only sticking point with paying Wayne Rooney 300k per week is you won't get 300k per week performances every week, unlike Roy Keane's 50k per week back in 2000.

Its the whole transfer business and philosophy thing that grates my teeth. What happened to the whole "the manager is the most important person at the club?"
 
I don't usually care about contracts or wages, but I just want to check if this is right and not me being retarded, if it's 300k per week for 5 years, would it be worth £78 million?

Thats operating finance though Hectic... its not as if we have to find 78million in one lump and throw it at him.

If we let him walk away we have to find, lets be optimistic, say £30m plus wages anyway. From a cashflow point of view, and thats what this is about, cash, and none of us knows the ins and outs of it, while he's still performing on the pitch it makes far more sense to tie him down to a contract, even at 300k a week than to let him walk and have to find a replacement.

Its clever on Rooney/his agents part, letting it get to this stage but wages are wages and his agents job is to get the best he can for his client. If 300k a week is true he's played a blinder.

Leaving aside money, I'd like to see Rooney stay and I'd like to see him as captain.
 
Also, it wont be Moyes or Woodward coming up with the figure, it will be the finance guys who (I'd imagine along with Stretford) have a pretty good indication of both what he's worth to us in terms of revenue and what we can afford to pay him.

In 2 years time, a 30 year old Rooney should still be a salable asset if it came to it.
 
Thats operating finance though Hectic... its not as if we have to find 78million in one lump and throw it at him.

If we let him walk away we have to find, lets be optimistic, say £30m plus wages anyway. From a cashflow point of view, and thats what this is about, cash, and none of us knows the ins and outs of it, while he's still performing on the pitch it makes far more sense to tie him down to a contract, even at 300k a week than to let him walk and have to find a replacement.

Its clever on Rooney/his agents part, letting it get to this stage but wages are wages and his agents job is to get the best he can for his client. If 300k a week is true he's played a blinder.

Leaving aside money, I'd like to see Rooney stay and I'd like to see him as captain.

Oh of course, which is why I didn't say about the £78 million being used directly for another player as it doesn't work like that, it's just a staggering amount of money is all.
 
The money, while being ridiculous, is the least of my gripes with this. I reckon we can afford it. The only sticking point with paying Wayne Rooney 300k per week is you won't get 300k per week performances every week, unlike Roy Keane's 50k per week back in 2000.

Its the whole transfer business and philosophy thing that grates my teeth. What happened to the whole "the manager is the most important person at the club?"

Money is least of my concern too, but above is exactly why it annoys me. He struggles to perform over a whole season consistently, a month or two out of form becomes all the more annoying when he is on these stupid wages. It shouldn't really make a difference to me, but it does.

It's also worth pointing out that Rooney - at 28 - is in theory at his peak... so from these 5 years, how much football can we expect him to play at his current level? Certainly 2 years I'd say... but anything after that? who knows...

I reckon 2-3 years max.
 
It's also worth pointing out that Rooney - at 28 - is in theory at his peak... so from these 5 years, how much football can we expect him to play at his current level? Certainly 2 years I'd say... but anything after that? who knows...

I can see him dropping back into midfield to prolong his career.
 
I wonder how much of the £300k figure will actually be wages, and how much will be paid to Wayne Rooney Offshore Holdings Ltd in the British Virgin Islands.
 
I remember a long thread in 2010(?), when Rooney first went public with his desire to leave and questioned the club's ambitions, only to be rewarded with better contract shortly after. That thread was full of caftards, slagging him off, demanding him sold and labeling him ungrateful, judas and so on.

Now, after he's done it again, vast majority here seems to be happy to do anything to keep the fat bastard at OT, including a raise of his already obscene wages and even making him a new captain.

How times change.

I think the first time it happened Rooney had stepped over the line and his actions had asked a question of supporters. "What are you willing to put up with to have Wayne Rooney stick around for a bit?" The initial reaction was outrage because he hadnt done it before. In fact he was pegged as being loyal and committed. Everybody leapt on the excuse that his agent had sold him a bill of goods and it was all his fault because it was easier than admitting that Rooney might not be who we thought he was and could have a big downside.

Yeah he so does it again and a lot of people have decided the answer to the question was "Anything." He can do whatever he wants and the majority don't seem to have a problem with it. They'll take the surprise, shock and awe when he uncharacteristically asks to leave again and in the meantime everything is peachy
 
Also, it wont be Moyes or Woodward coming up with the figure, it will be the finance guys who (I'd imagine along with Stretford) have a pretty good indication of both what he's worth to us in terms of revenue and what we can afford to pay him.

In 2 years time, a 30 year old Rooney should still be a salable asset if it came to it.
We won't get that much for him at 30. Teams will want to invest good money in better, younger players.
 
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