wr8_utd
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The worst thing about the alleged 300k contract is that every match he doesn't score a hatrick now, you'll have people coming out and wondering why we're paying him the alleged 300k wage.
I think it's worth it, but not in a way that makes me happy, more of a necessary annoyance that I'll deal with.
The worst thing about the alleged 300k contract is that every match he doesn't score a hatrick now, you'll have people coming out and wondering why we're paying him the alleged 300k wage.
But you accept that our squad is not as good as it should be? I dont know where you stand on the whole debate about how woeful our squad has become, I happen to think it is nowhere near as bad as some people make out but I concede that we have fallen behind a few of our competitors and I wouldnt say it is just City. Id say if we had the kind of quality players youd expect of a club of our size we wouldnt be in this position, we'd be able to afford to let Rooney go. The very fact he has so much leverage over us proves his point. Im repeating myself from posts Ive made just above so there's no point in going off on one about it again now. Anyway, that's how I feel. Rooney hasnt behaved that well but I think a case can be made that desperate times called for desperate measures. Either way Im not in the business of cutting off my nose to spite my face, which is what letting Rooney go would be. OK my face is a twat but Im not going to take it out on my nose. I need my nose. It helps me taste things.I think SAF is spot on here, it's absolutely none of his business and isn't something we should accept our players demanding.
Imagine if we have a bunch of players telling the manager who he should or shouldn't sign? How is that a good thing?
Rooney haters make me laugh. So faking much
Jesus wept.
Yeah, same, I always assumed that to keep him we'd have to fork out a ridiculous sum anyway. I don't think people take into consideration enough just how big he is for the club though, and not just from a footballing perspective. There's a reason the club are always so willing to make him our highest earner, because he's easily the most profitable player for them too. it's not worth the money, but as someone said, to bring in someone at his level we'd still end up paying more overall in fees and wages (Cavani, for example). I think it's worth it, but not in a way that makes me happy, more of a necessary annoyance that I'll deal with.
Rooney haters make me laugh. So faking much
Jesus wept.
I think Moyes would only sell him if there was literally no other option. We've seen how much he values him here so far, he's actually put priority on making Rooney our main man over RvP even when both are fit, a far cry from SAF last year. Unless he has absolutely no choice, I think he'll keep him.Agree with what you're saying but perhaps we could do with a younger attacking player who is capable of playing wide.
Someone like Draxler (not him per se) on the wings with Janujaz and Mata and RvP as 10 and 9 would be picture perfect.
I think I agree with you that it's probably worth it overall for the reasons you mentioned, but if we can get a good fee for him (maybe a Mata type of fee) than I think we may consider selling.
For me the money is the least hardest of the three to accept, even though to be honest he's not worth near that and I mean of course no player is worth that sort of stupid money, but within ridiculous contracts and as far as they go, he is not good enough or consistent enough for 300k per week.
I remember a long thread in 2010(?), when Rooney first went public with his desire to leave and questioned the club's ambitions, only to be rewarded with better contract shortly after. That thread was full of caftards, slagging him off, demanding him sold and labeling him ungrateful, judas and so on.
Now, after he's done it again, vast majority here seems to be happy to do anything to keep the fat bastard at OT, including a raise of his already obscene wages and even making him a new captain.
How times change.
I've read that he's being offered captaincy and "inside information about transfers".
The feck is that all about?
Agree with all of that. I think he's a quality player who we should keep but there's absolute no need to go ridiculous offering him silly wages and additional benefits. We have many top players. And none of them deserve that.If rather we sold him then offer him that contract if it does indeed come with the captain and transfer bullshit attached. I mean for 300k a week, which is insane money anyway and way above his actualy worth, he should be over the moon. Not demanding to be captain which in itself is annoying considering how much of a cnut he is, but add on the transfer stuff and it is just insane. I mean would you feel happy if this wasn't just Rooney doing it, and players like Van Persie, Juan Mata, Januzaj, Kagawa etc started demanding to be involved in our transfer process or have access to information that is absolutely none of their business? Would you feel it's alright for players to disagree with the manager and tell him who he should have signed or not and get involved in that side of it? I don't really care if Scholes or Giggs have ever had access to this sort of thing, they sure as hell didn't make that a requirement for them signing on a new year deal with us. I'm not sure if any of that stuff is true though, but if it is and these are the requirements to him signing a contract, I'd be happier with him out of the club than in.
Anyway, all this - along with the 300K - just takes Rooney up to a new, seemingly undroppable level... which is fine if he's in his current form, as he's currently undroppable... but what if he hits one of his ruts (that we've all seen before?) for an extended period... wilL Moyes take him out of the team? This current rumoured offer suggests not.
The argument that paying him £300K/wk is better 'value' than replacing him & paying another player's wages is a very valid one, although it didn't appear to work where Pogba was concerned, notwithstanding that I accept there were other factors at work in that deal.
I remember the furore when we renewed Roy Keane's contract at £60K/wk, which was a huge sum at the time. Again it was easy to justify, he was our most important player at the time and replacing him would have cost an awful lot more than his new contract was costing.
Difference was with Keane was that we all new he was never going to give less than 100%, I don't really think you can say the same about Rooney though.
I think so too. I'm questioning if he is good enough to warrant that much to be honest, or perhaps he is good enough, but not consistent enough to warrant such a contract. EPs point about marketing is a good one, but I think the money could be better invested in the long-run on a new, younger player.
I don't usually care about contracts or wages, but I just want to check if this is right and not me being retarded, if it's 300k per week for 5 years, would it be worth £78 million?
I don't usually care about contracts or wages, but I just want to check if this is right and not me being retarded, if it's 300k per week for 5 years, would it be worth £78 million?
Thats operating finance though Hectic... its not as if we have to find 78million in one lump and throw it at him.
If we let him walk away we have to find, lets be optimistic, say £30m plus wages anyway. From a cashflow point of view, and thats what this is about, cash, and none of us knows the ins and outs of it, while he's still performing on the pitch it makes far more sense to tie him down to a contract, even at 300k a week than to let him walk and have to find a replacement.
Its clever on Rooney/his agents part, letting it get to this stage but wages are wages and his agents job is to get the best he can for his client. If 300k a week is true he's played a blinder.
Leaving aside money, I'd like to see Rooney stay and I'd like to see him as captain.
The money, while being ridiculous, is the least of my gripes with this. I reckon we can afford it. The only sticking point with paying Wayne Rooney 300k per week is you won't get 300k per week performances every week, unlike Roy Keane's 50k per week back in 2000.
Its the whole transfer business and philosophy thing that grates my teeth. What happened to the whole "the manager is the most important person at the club?"
It's also worth pointing out that Rooney - at 28 - is in theory at his peak... so from these 5 years, how much football can we expect him to play at his current level? Certainly 2 years I'd say... but anything after that? who knows...
It's also worth pointing out that Rooney - at 28 - is in theory at his peak... so from these 5 years, how much football can we expect him to play at his current level? Certainly 2 years I'd say... but anything after that? who knows...
I remember a long thread in 2010(?), when Rooney first went public with his desire to leave and questioned the club's ambitions, only to be rewarded with better contract shortly after. That thread was full of caftards, slagging him off, demanding him sold and labeling him ungrateful, judas and so on.
Now, after he's done it again, vast majority here seems to be happy to do anything to keep the fat bastard at OT, including a raise of his already obscene wages and even making him a new captain.
How times change.
We won't get that much for him at 30. Teams will want to invest good money in better, younger players.Also, it wont be Moyes or Woodward coming up with the figure, it will be the finance guys who (I'd imagine along with Stretford) have a pretty good indication of both what he's worth to us in terms of revenue and what we can afford to pay him.
In 2 years time, a 30 year old Rooney should still be a salable asset if it came to it.
Neymar's parents get 40%.I wonder how much of the £300k figure will actually be wages, and how much will be paid to Wayne Rooney Offshore Holdings Ltd in the British Virgin Islands.