My thoughts exactly. I'm in the minority here who actually think that we would play a more fluid game if Rooney leaves, mostly due to his poor touch and short passing. But, then there's the goals and assists...
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My thoughts exactly. I'm in the minority here who actually think that we would play a more fluid game if Rooney leaves, mostly due to his poor touch and short passing. But, then there's the goals and assists...
We really do miss Rooney and when he isn't playing we don't look dangerous at all in and around the box. With Mata here things might change for the better and we will have another player to rely on to create goalscoring opportunities. In this difficult moment I don't think we can afford losing Rooney.
Sometimes it feels we're woefully short of bollocks in our team, especially compared to the great United teams of the last 20 years. Rooney has balls. He leads by example and we sometimes look lacking in leadership. He plays with heart.
For me it's actually quite scary thinking about a Man United without Rooney. With SAF gone, Scholes gone, Giggs and Ferdinand probably off among others, we're going to be almost unrecognisable from the team we've been used to for years. Rooney provides that bit of continuity. I'm all for revolution but it's nice to keep the best aspects of the ancien regime.
I hate the way salaries are going in football but if anyone should get this kind of money it probably should be him. He's been an England and United institution since he was a teenager and while even more might have been expected of him it can't be denied he is a special player. He'll get the goalscoring record. And the fact is we need him for his symbolic as much as his football value. We have to do it.
For me it's actually quite scary thinking about a Man United without Rooney. With SAF gone, Scholes gone, Giggs and Ferdinand probably off among others, we're going to be almost unrecognisable from the team we've been used to for years. Rooney provides that bit of continuity. I'm all for revolution but it's nice to keep the best aspects of the ancien regime.
I hate the way salaries are going in football but if anyone should get this kind of money it probably should be him. He's been an England and United institution since he was a teenager and while even more might have been expected of him it can't be denied he is a special player. He'll get the goalscoring record. And the fact is we need him for his symbolic as much as his football value. We have to do it.
Bolded part is a bit ridiculous I think. With his antics, he should probably be tossed out the door. People moan about club integrity when it comes to Suarez, but fact is that Rooney has Moyes dancing to his tune exactly the way he wants him to. Imo, it should definitely not be him. He is not THAT good, and he is certainly not that loyal. If he stays, he will probably get the goalscoring record, but I have a sneaking feeling that will be for his own ego and not for the club.
Did you miss us at the start of the 11/12 season? Or when Ronaldo was here? Every time we were at our very best and we played our best football for the last decade, Rooney has been at the heart of it. He's shown how adaptable he is to different styles and Rooney is as good as anyone in the world at linking up with other world class players and forming great partnerships. He's probably more suited to versatile fluid football then Van persie is, because how he likes roaming around. Sure his play might go to shit a bit when the rest of our team has this zombie style slow paced football, but that happens to everyone. That criticism was never made of Rooney before we started being shite to watch for the most part. Its a bullshit argument to say that our play would improve without him because he's proven time and time again in the past how good he is and that he thrives on quick play.
Some supporters are so precious. He wanted a bigger contract. Big deal. Get over it. It's his job, and he thought he deserved more money. Who gives a feck? If we're giving Ashley Young 120k a week, 300k for Rooney (which probably isn't even accurate) isn't that crazy. He's our best and most important player, ergo he should be the highest paid player. What do you mean he'll do it for himself and not the club? You think top footballers spend everyday thankful that manchester united signed him? If it wasn't us, it would have been some other top team around the world and he'd be a world class player for them. Rooney on the pitch (you know, the only place that matters) has never had his commitment in doubt. Always gave 100%, and for the most part, apart from a tough spell last season for various reasons, has been the main player for us. How isn't he loyal, he's stayed at the club for 10 years? Are players only branded as loyal players if they are at Giggs' or Scholes' levels of loyalty?
Football supporters, fecking hell.
Also, how were your views on Cantona? Did he have the clubs best interest when he drop kicked a fan? Or did Rio think of the club when he skipped a drug test? How are Denis law or Peter Schmeichel considered club legends when they went on to play for City? Or Roy Keane who slagged off Sir Alex constantly, and the players at the end as well? People make mistakes, or don't get along with some people. Shit happens.
No he's not loyal. But he's good. He's iconic. And loyalty or not, he'd still have spent essentially his entire career with us. What does it matter who he scored the goals for at the end of the day? That isn't a relevant metric in determining value or wages. What matters is that he gives his all and he delivers.
I also find it increasingly difficult to hold it against him that he called for more investment in the squad when fans felt the same way and the state we are now in vindicates him. Sure he didn't handle it well but looking back I don't see it as a capital offence. Fans have a romanticised view of loyalty in football but it's largely meaningless in the modern game imo. Rooney has been the main man throughout the most successful period in our history and can play a big part in getting us back to where we need to be. That's what we need to pay him for.
I also find it increasingly difficult to hold it against him that he called for more investment in the squad when fans felt the same way and the state we are now in vindicates him. Sure he didn't handle it well but looking back I don't see it as a capital offence. Fans have a romanticised view of loyalty in football but it's largely meaningless in the modern game imo. Rooney has been the main man throughout the most successful period in our history and can play a big part in getting us back to where we need to be. That's what we need to pay him for.
Papers saying he will be named the permanent club captain if he signs the new deal.
Expected I suppose and decent choice if he can stay fit. Expect he will get deeper as the next few years roll on too.
Pay rise and an inside track of the club's transfer plans. He's playing very well and I'm pleased it looks like he's staying but he's not one of the truly great players anymore, this all seems a touch excessive.
He's now officially bigger than the club. Can't believe you're ceding to him like this.
Only to be expected, the days where a club captain was supposed to be an example and represent the club both on AND off the pitch are long gone...... Sigh.
Read about that earlier, has to be media bollocks.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...d-moyes-manchester-united-transfer?CMP=twt_gu
It's in several papers which suggests it might be true (admittedly it's still highly possible it's bollocks).
I know they want to keep him happy, but there are certain things footballers don't need to get involved with. Wouldn't expect something like this to happen when Fergie was around but times have changed.
Hysterics aside, manager keeping captain and/or senior players in the loop about squad recruitment probably happens at most clubs without it being backpage news.
Agreed.
May as well make him player-manager while we're at it.
Well I hope he doesn't tell colleen or it will be all over twatter
Maybe he's just a huge transfer muppet like the rest of us and wants to be an itk?
That's probably bullshit though, I doubt we're letting him know about every player we're interested in, but if he's being made captain then I can see managers asking for his opinion. I would've thought that managers would ask certain trusted members of the team (including the captains of course) their opinions about stuff like that anyways.
Edit: Also the article actually says the figure may be below the rumours, so they are basically admitting to guessing he's getting a huge increase, and they said he can expect to be made club captain within the next few years (again probably them guessing there too). There really doesn't seem to be anything concrete in that article other then him probably renewing.
That's probably bullshit though, I doubt we're letting him know about every player we're interested in, but if he's being made captain then I can see managers asking for his opinion. I would've thought that managers would ask certain trusted members of the team (including the captains of course) their opinions about stuff like that anyways.
Edit: Also the article actually says the figure may be below the rumours, so they are basically admitting to guessing he's getting a huge increase, and they said he can expect to be made club captain within the next few years (again probably them guessing there too). There really doesn't seem to be anything concrete in that article other then him probably renewing.
Pointless analysing footballers pay in real terms. Long since lost any relevance in the world that the rest of us live in. You reward them based on their importance to your club. Anyone who's watched us and him this season and who doesn't think he's invaluable to us at the moment is on a different planet. All very well having a new brush and buying 14 Mata's or whatever we're supposed to be doing but we need meaningful links between the old and the new. Whole raft of winners disappearing over the hill in the next few months. Rooney is the one we needed to hang on to. He'll earn his million a week or whatever.
Before RvP left Arsenal weren't there widespread reports that he had held a meeting with the board to talk about how they planned to strengthen the squad and what direction they were going in, and the reason he left was because they didn't have the same vision or something. I'm sure Rooney's talks would be similar. Nothing to get outraged over.
The captaincy thing doesn't sit right with me though. His behaviour doesn't warrant it. This season his conduct on the pitch has been great but he's not a good example to the younger players on how to behave to get your own way with the club. But hey, if it's the only way to get him to stay, do it.
The captaincy thing doesn't sit right with me though. His behaviour doesn't warrant it. This season his conduct on the pitch has been great but he's not a good example to the younger players on how to behave to get your own way with the club. But hey, if it's the only way to get him to stay, do it.
It's not media bullshit. I fecking hate us bending over to him all the time. I wish we weren't so horribly reliant on him so we could flog him to Madrid for 30 mil. We need him and he knows it. 2 transfer requests, flirtations with Chelsea (and city), mouthing off about us in the media, 300k a week, probably future captain, inside information on transfers. He's like a privileged school child. Woodward and Moyes may as well line-up in their office and let Rooney do them from behind. He better keep performing but even then I'm still not happy.
I can see this being a one-time deal, like what LR7 posted above.
Although it's also not hard to believe that someone as weak-minded as Moyes (going by what we've seen so far of him) would make it a permanent situation in hopes of appeasing Rooney.
Although it's also not hard to believe that someone as weak-minded as Moyes (going by what we've seen so far of him) would make it a permanent situation in hopes of appeasing Rooney.
I don't really care what they pay him personally. His contract details aren't my business to be honest, and if the club thinks he's worth it, then he is. We can all say our opinion on the matter obviously but as long as he's producing on the pitch and giving his all, then I don't really care. He's arguably our best player and has been one of our best over the last 10 years so I expect him to be our highest paid player. I find it a lot more ridiculous that we're paying 120k a week for Ashley Young, but then again, I'm not getting too wound up about it.
On the transfer bit, like a few have said, this is probably pretty normal with your senior members. You don't think Sir Alex talked to the likes of Giggs and Scholes about potential transfers and stuff like that? I'm sure all senior members of the squad, or the ones closer to the manager get asked on potential transfers and what is their opinion on what we should do.
Difference is Scholes and Giggs wouldn't be asking who we're signing on the basis that if they're not impressed "I'm leaving." He's a child.
Does Moyes have to compliment his hair every day at training as well?
No he is a professional that has first allegiance to himself. Doesn't endear him to the naive world of believing everyone is like Scholes/Giggs when it comes to staying with the club.
We are supporters so we have the view, "oh my god if I got a chance to play for this club for this long, I'd only be grateful for what they've given me and I'd not put my own needs before the clubs".
What was the story about Scholes once throwing a fit about not playing or something. Then you've got Giggs who allegedly had some very nasty indiscretions. They were far from saints or mature throughout their careers.
If Ronaldo had got similar treatment I'm sure you lot wouldn't be bothered.
You seriously gonna sit here and compare Rooney and Ronaldo?
Ronaldo is light years better.
None of it matters. What we pay him for is to deliver on the pitch and as long as he keeps doing it, I don't care if we need to pamper him. As far as captaincy is concerned with the expected exodus of Rio, Vidic & Evra, I think it is a good choice to give it to Rooney. No one can comment on his commitment on the pitch or accuse him of slacking off. He makes the difference and if it making him the leader gets us more, so be it.
It's not like clubs only hire saints or have any moral hesitations to hiring mercenaries.
Noone is good enough to get the "Yes we grovel at your feet and you are bigger than Manchester United" treatment, but fecking Rooney???!!! He isn't even the best in the world in his most preferred position and overall barely.. if even in the top 10 players in world football.
Get rid if his supposed demands are real.
EDIT: Ribery, Zlatan, Falcao, Robben, Vidal, Aguero, Suarez, Hazard, Bale, RVP, Yaya Toure, Iniesta, Xavi, Schweinsteiger... the list goes on. There are about 7 or 8 in there that will be universally agreed on here to be better than Rooney... even by the usual suspects who seem be jealous of me. I didn't even include Ronaldo and Messi to save Rooney the blushes and alot of players that are close/around his level/already better, certainly in potential, like Ozil, Mata, Gundogan, Muller and Reus for example...
Get rid if his supposed demands are real.
EDIT: Ribery, Zlatan, Falcao, Robben, Vidal, Aguero, Suarez, Hazard, Bale, RVP, Yaya Toure, Iniesta, Xavi, Schweinsteiger... the list goes on. There are about 7 or 8 in there that will be universally agreed on here to be better than Rooney... even by the usual suspects who seem be jealous of me. I didn't even include Ronaldo and Messi to save Rooney the blushes and alot of players that are close/around his level/already better, certainly in potential, like Ozil, Mata, Gundogan, Muller and Reus for example...
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Quite the jump from Cardiff City to that scenario. Come on now.
I don't like Rooney, but I'd still make him captain next season. We always look shit when he doesn't play, and until his performances drop below par, we need to keep him at United. I don't care about his wages, or resale value.
I think the club should just name a stand after Rooney and play van Persie on the left-wing so Rooney can play lone striker
300k seems reasonable. Banker Wankers add nothing to any economy and make a tad bit more.
WHAT? A week? WTF!!
WHAT? A week? WTF!!
I think people get carried with this idea of Moyes as some kind of servile gimp. He's had a bit of a nightmare this year, and I'm not convinced he's the right man for the job, but I think he's very much his own man, and I doubt he takes shit from anyone. If anything, his handling of Rooney has been one of the few positives this year.
A list of former United captains:
A leader of men who is dictated by 300k/week and then wants the captaincy?
Is he our own JT then?
- Denis Law
- Bobby Charlton
- Martin Buchan
- Bryan Robson
- Steve Bruce
- Eric Cantona
- Roy Keane
- Gary Neville
- Nemanja Vidić
A leader of men who is dictated by 300k/week and then wants the captaincy?
Is he our own JT then?
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I don't care how much he'll earn, I'm just happy he could stay.
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