Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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togg said:
I don't think anyone is really serious about wanting to sell him are they? I think everyone knows that when on form he is one of the best players in the league. However he is one of those guys who sometimes needs one monumental kick up the arse and Ferguson definitely knows how to do that. I still think he was dropped against Spurs for that penalty miss, a culmination if you like of a pretty ropey season so far by his standards. At his age he's supposed to be reaching his peak, so he has a bit of work to do on that. Do I have an affection for him? No, he blew that by the way he treated this club. But bloody hell do I want him bang on form for the next 14 odd games because then I think we have on hell of a chance to snag that title.
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i'd sell him yesterday if we had a genuine chance of getting ronnie back.
 
I wish I had a quid for every time someone's posted "That ship has sailed."
 
VoetbalWizard said:
don't think he ever wants to go back carrying ronnie's water no matter what he says publicly. rooney would have to sacrifice his game more for ronnie than he does for RvP.
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probably right..

if he as sold, hyperthetically speaking of course, I reckon he would pop over to city......although he's probably have to move out of the manchester area!!!!
 
I wouldn't. The lad is a fantastic player and when on form one of the best in the world for me. He's proven it time and time again. Just because we have a new shiny toy, doesn't mean we get rid. What it means is we give him time to get back to his form and forge what could be the most devastating strike partnership in the world with RVP.
 
gambit28 said:
I wouldn't. The lad is a fantastic player and when on form one of the best in the world for me. He's proven it time and time again. Just because we have a new shiny toy, doesn't mean we get rid. What it means is we give him time to get back to his form and forge what could be the most devastating strike partnership in the world with RVP.
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I can see this line being repeated quite a lot over the next couple years.
 
gambit28 said:
I wouldn't. The lad is a fantastic player and when on form one of the best in the world for me. He's proven it time and time again. Just because we have a new shiny toy, doesn't mean we get rid. What it means is we give him time to get back to his form and forge what could be the most devastating strike partnership in the world with RVP.
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Spot on
 
Zen86 said:
He seems like he spends more time 'coming back from injury' then he does in form.
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That's true tbf, and even those who said he was good yesterday, noted it was good considering how poor he can be after the injury.

But, I wouldn't sell him, because obviously he is good player for us, but this cliché "he needs games after the injury" became boring, especially now when we have Kagawa and Welbeck who can play in his position sometimes even beter then him. He could be dropped sometimes, and looks like Fergie does that from time to time, which is good to see.
 
What?

I said a lot of people's views about his overall performance this season have become clouded since the Swansea game. Not other seasons or how you view Rooney in general. I don't think he's been as bad as many suggest. A poor hour vs Swans, a shit pen and a little injury and he's apparently been very poor.
 
Sorry, I read it wrongly. I personally don't think he's that bad. I'm just expecting more from one of our senior and world class player to perform better. The same expectation I have with Cantona, Scholes, Carrick, Rio, and Vidic when they were/are on their peak years. I've never seen a senior United player as moody as Rooney almost two decades of following United.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Why? For preffering a frighteningly consistent player to one whos ability varies depending on what off field self inflicted shit hes going through at any given moment?
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And once again you're letting your obvious hatred for Rooney cloud your judgement. Ronaldo is brilliant yes but getting him isn't worth strengthening City with someone as good as Rooney. We've soon how much Arsenal fans regret selling RvP to us and I think we'd regret selling Rooney to City just as much. He'd be a huge upgrade on Tevez and Dzeko and would make them a lot better.

And like someone said, that Swansea game seems to have suddenly just increased the Rooney criticism on here. And that coupled with RvP being in great form means some people on here are suddenly ready to sell someone who's going to be our highest ever goalscorer? I find that bizarre.
 
Rooney has something like 10 goals this season and is top of the charts for assists for us and all this despite picking up injuries 3 times, missing a number of games and basically sacrificing himself and playing all over the pitch and in midfield for majority of this season. But yes, selling him would make sense. People seem to have short memories on here it seems. He scored 30+ goals for us just last season. Is this is the type of player you'd be willing to sell just because he's a bit of a bad patch compared to his very high standards?
 
wr8_utd said:
Rooney has something like 10 goals this season and is top of the charts for assists for us and all this despite picking up injuries 3 times, missing a number of games and basically sacrificing himself and playing all over the pitch and in midfield for majority of this season. But yes, selling him would make sense. People seem to have short memories on here it seems. He scored 30+ goals for us just last season. Is this is the type of player you'd be willing to sell just because he's a bit of a bad patch compared to his very high standards?
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Your right, he's been incredible this season. Stats.
 
The idea that we don't need Rooney any more is nonsense. Right at the start of the season, when RVP was playing for us but Rooney was out with his first injury, we were seriously struggling, and playing our worst football of the season. When Rooney came back, at half time vs Spurs, it was the first real 'turning point' in our season.

I want Wayne Rooney to retire at this club, or at worst at Everton having given them his last season or two. Something pretty massive would have to go down for that to change.
 
I think he's been generally fine this season, he came back and looked one of our best players, had a shocker against Swansea, got injured for a few weeks and people aren't remembering what he was like before that game. I seem to remember some people even putting him in the team of the season so far when that thread originally started, opinions change too quickly. He's a class player and will be for years yet, will always have the odd shocker and be slow to return from injury but every player has their flaws.
 
wr8_utd said:
Rooney has something like 10 goals this season and is top of the charts for assists for us and all this despite picking up injuries 3 times, missing a number of games and basically sacrificing himself and playing all over the pitch and in midfield for majority of this season. But yes, selling him would make sense. People seem to have short memories on here it seems. He scored 30+ goals for us just last season. Is this is the type of player you'd be willing to sell just because he's a bit of a bad patch compared to his very high standards?
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Put the situation into context. The poster who offered the question asked if we were willing to sell and replace him with Ronaldo, who is a much better player than Rooney, much more consistant and would offer us much more of a goal threat in the same position. I don't see what's so wrong about that other than the point of selling to city (any other club and I would take it). Rooney may conjure up all these stats that you've pointed out but it's human nature to remember someone about what you generally see of them often and with Rooney it's his inconsistencies on the pitch. For such a 'top' player, he does tend to look like a pub player slightly too often.
 
If Welbeck could develop his composure, I can see the need for Rooney lessening but till then the latter is almost indispensable to the side. We'll need him to perform particularly in the big games if we want to win the league.
 
If it wasn't for his performance in the big games, I'm sure some fans would think of him differently.

It's interesting that with his stats being so good, sometimes his performances don't back it up. Wayne Rooney.

I wouldn't want to sell him. Just don't value him as high as others do.
 
wr8_utd said:
And once again you're letting your obvious hatred for Rooney cloud your judgement. Ronaldo is brilliant yes but getting him isn't worth strengthening City with someone as good as Rooney. We've soon how much Arsenal fans regret selling RvP to us and I think we'd regret selling Rooney to City just as much. He'd be a huge upgrade on Tevez and Dzeko and would make them a lot better.

And like someone said, that Swansea game seems to have suddenly just increased the Rooney criticism on here. And that coupled with RvP being in great form means some people on here are suddenly ready to sell someone who's going to be our highest ever goalscorer? I find that bizarre.
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You arent taking into account the massive egos of the stockport sheiks, can you imagine the tantrums and infighting if another Star player who would almost certainly be given top billing was sudden;ly thrust into the squad? It would be like the dutch side in 94 all over again.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
You arent taking into account the massive egos of the stockport sheiks, can you imagine the tantrums and infighting if another Star player who would almost certainly be given top billing was sudden;ly thrust into the squad? It would be like the dutch side in 94 all over again.
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All that is hypothetical really. And besides, City managed to win the title last year despite all the egos and their star striker going on strike for half a season so yes I think they would manage. I honestly can't see any reasoning behind selling Rooney, let alone selling him to City.
 
Why are people suggesting we sell Rooney? It would be akin to letting Giggs or Scholes go ten years ago.
 
wr8_utd said:
All that is hypothetical really. And besides, City managed to win the title last year despite all the egos and their star striker going on strike for half a season so yes I think they would manage. I honestly can't see any reasoning behind selling Rooney, let alone selling him to City.
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Im not suggesting we do sell him, as getting Ronnie back is just a pipe dream, but the question was would you sell if it meant getting him back, and yes I would.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Im not suggesting we do sell him, as getting Ronnie back is just a pipe dream, but the question was would you sell if it meant getting him back, and yes I would.
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I can understand that but for me, there would be too many detrimental effects, if it was 3/4 years ago and we didn't sell Ronnie and chucked Roo, OK, but now Rooney is quite important to the club and Ronnie is that few years older ....
 
Brightonian said:
The idea that we don't need Rooney any more is nonsense. Right at the start of the season, when RVP was playing for us but Rooney was out with his first injury, we were seriously struggling, and playing our worst football of the season. When Rooney came back, at half time vs Spurs, it was the first real 'turning point' in our season.

I want Wayne Rooney to retire at this club, or at worst at Everton having given them his last season or two. Something pretty massive would have to go down for that to change.
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I agree entirely. I think I read in this thread that we don't struggle when he's not here, but I remember that beginning of season when he was out cos of the thigh injury, we were really mediocre. By reading this thread, you get the feeling that it's as simple as: he's world class for 2 games, gets injured, takes 15 games to come back during which he's a Sunday league pub team player. It's ridiculous really. He's been our engine for a while now, and though RvP is an amazing center forward, probably the best around, he can't drive the team on like Rooney can. What he can do is make a chance out of nothing and finish clinically (which is inestimable in football and therefore I understand why everyone's taken such a liking to him), but Rooney brings something more to the team, has proved it over the years and will prove it again this season I'm sure.

And his season so far hasn't been half as bad as some are trying to make out. It's been a bit stop and start, that's true, though not really by his fault, but he's been very important to us.
 
Platato said:
If it wasn't for his performance in the big games, I'm sure some fans would think of him differently.

It's interesting that with his stats being so good, sometimes his performances don't back it up. Wayne Rooney.

I wouldn't want to sell him. Just don't value him as high as others do.
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This sums my views up perfectly.
 
But RIP, the problem I have is posters like you make it overly simplistic. It is not simply down to Rooney not being in the team which is why we were mediocre. There have been many other reasons. He has even played in games where we have been mediocre.

As our squad continues to improve, we are increasingly reaching a point where we don't need to rely on Wayne as much as we used to. And to me, it's a good thing. I would hope when he gets back in the team, he just plays his football and not try and do it all. He should really focus more on further developing his partnership with RvP.

I know come across as harsh on Rooney. The big reason is because I expect more from his performances. As I said before, in general he performs around 70-80% of his potential. More often than not, he shows up in the big games. However, I don't think I've seen such a gifted player like him such a woeful bottom level. If he wants to do it all, if he is responsible for being the heart and soul of this team, then he needs to buck it up and show more consistency in his performances. Whether you lot want to overcompensate for some of his average performances is up to you.

I'm not expecting 20+ goals and 10+ assists. I'll leave that to those who really like to break down statistics. What I'm talking about is the relationship between Wayne's football brain (which is great) and his execution (inconsistent).

Ever since he broke his metatarsal, I don't think he's been the same player. There just seems to be a lack of conviction that creeps in every now and then.

Maybe it's what SAF said sometime ago, (this is not a direct quote, just paraphrasing) " Wayne performs well when the intensity of the game is high. His game tends to slack when the match is played at a more casual tempo"
 
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