I don't think it's beyond Mourinho to just sell Mata to us for the straight fee. As Chesterlestreet said, he's odd like that. After all, most managers wouldn't have dropped Mata in the first place. I could easily see him thinking he'll get more value out of 36m than we will out of Mata.
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I wonder what fee we'd get for Rooney in the summer? If he stays proffesional it might actually be worth our while letting him run down his contract. Another year of Rooney in excellent form could prove very valuable, especially if our summer transfers don't go according to plan.
So did Van Persie. You think Wenger wanted to sell us him?
No but if Rooney couldn't force it last summer then there's no guarantee he'll do it this time. Fact is we could block a move if we want to.
2 years left verses 1 year is a world of difference. If he wanted to go there the only way to block it would be to keep him and lose him 12 months later for free. Which will never happen.
If we wanted to sell the time was last summer when we weren't in crisis. Selling him now would be disastrous at a time when we need to show strength.
He will either get a bumper contract or a move to his desired club, it's easy for us to say that we should let him run down his contract but to a business if we sell him for £20m that's half of Juan Mata fee covered.
I just don't see it. We're trying to show we're still a force. Selling Rooney in the summer after the season we've had goes against that. The right time for the business was last summer.
Whatever about where he'll be next season, any confirmation on when he'll be back playing for us?
This is Andy Mitten's recent column for ESPN:
Referring to Rooney's renewal?
A lot of the papers saying we are locked in negotiations with Rooney's agents to sort out a renewal. For me this would be bigger than the Mata signing.
Definitely.
There's no chance the Mata deal has anything to do with Rooney. You'd think we got Mata for a knock down price the way some people go on about it.
The only way we'll sell to Chelsea is if they come up with a Mata like fee for him, which they won't. So if he's insistent on wanting to go to Chelsea then he'll have to run his contract out
The only way we'll sell to Chelsea is if they come up with a Mata like fee for him, which they won't. So if he's insistent on wanting to go to Chelsea then he'll have to run his contract out
I still don't understand this assumption that we will be selling Wayne to Chelsea off the back of the Mata sale.
Chelsea have had to sell, and Mata was warming the bench. Had they waited until the summer they'd be getting a significantly smaller chunk of cash, so this makes sense. Although they're not usually the most conscientious money wise, this deal has made sense, financially.
We have no need to sell Rooney, particularly to a rival. If anything we'll keep him until his contract expires, then maybe he will head down to London.
Chelsea have had to sell, and Mata was warming the bench. Had they waited until the summer they'd be getting a significantly smaller chunk of cash, so this makes sense. Although they're not usually the most conscientious money wise, this deal has made sense, financially.
We have no need to sell Rooney, particularly to a rival. If anything we'll keep him until his contract expires, then maybe he will head down to London.
Club to Rooney: We want you Wayne to stay. Sign the contract. We have Mata in the bag. Stay for the rebuilding of Manchester United.
Club to Mata: We want you Juan to join. Sign the contract. We've convinced Rooney to stay. Join for the rebuilding of Manchester United.
Mata and Rooney: No...wait what? Really? Ok, sure.
I hope this is how it went down
Club to Mata: We want you Juan to join. Sign the contract. We've convinced Rooney to stay. Join for the rebuilding of Manchester United.
Mata and Rooney: No...wait what? Really? Ok, sure.
I hope this is how it went down
Last summer I was happy to see Rooney go (subject to us buying a couple of top quality attacking players). As it stands I really hope he stays purely because I feel that with the players we now have, we would be capable of some insanely sexy football.
Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj as a front four just looks so good. And then RVP for a more direct goal threat wherever needed - it's flexible because all of the players are virtually interchangeable, positionally.
Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj as a front four just looks so good. And then RVP for a more direct goal threat wherever needed - it's flexible because all of the players are virtually interchangeable, positionally.
Why would you let him go for free when we have the option to get 25-30m for him?
Isnt it better to get 25 million for one of your best players and sell him abroad rather than get 37 million but strengthen your rival signficantly?
Yeah if Rooney's going we will sell him. We aren't going to let him leave for a free transfer.
Because it's not my money.
Yes, most definitely. I was talking about a scenario where he specifically wanted to go to Chelsea in which case the club might consider a huge a offer from Chelsea. Although personally I wouldn't sell him to Chelsea at all no matter what the price.
Ideally, he signs a new contract and we have a very tasty looking attack
I would love Rooney to stay, I really would but all signs point to him leaving. He has been great for us but the situation calls for it, time running out on his deal, plenty of interest in him, we have spent a massive amount under Moyes with nothing in return, we are well stocked in that 10 position now, he has a more lucrative offer elsewhere. I just can't see him staying.
Eh? We have spent big on Fellaini, who despite some pretty dreadful performances has been injured his entire time here...
I'm talking in regards to money coming in from sales.
Not really sure what you're getting at, but let's just agree to disagree. I don't think Rooney's going anywhere.
Yeh, we can agree to disagree in regard to his future, I hope you're right in him staying. My point was in regards to net spend. We have spent big on Fellaini and by all reports Mata. What have we got the other way, a potential few million for Anderson?
There is going to come a time where some players are going to have to be sold to bring that net spend down.
I reckon there will be a clear out in the summer. Rio, Giggs, Buttner, Fabio, Anderson, Young, Valencia, Macheda will all probably leave/retire which would save a lot on wages alone. Even the likes of Evra, Kagawa, Hernandez might leave.
Wages will always stay close to the same, yes you can save a little but when you have a certain number in the squad, it will all come to around the same mark. We will lose those players and get rid of their wages but we will bring in new players and have to pay them.
Pretty much, which is why we won't get rid Rooney for that reason. If we sell him it will be because he wants to leave not because we need to the money
I know what you mean but it kind of comes down to needing the money, maybe not needing but preferring the money. Stick to our guns and not sell then lose him for free or get 30m? Easy choice really.
I'm with you now. I would argue that we have money to burn though and don't necessarily need to sell anyone. We're not a selling club after all.
I don't think it's that easy of a choice especially if the club offering the money is Chelsea. After all 11 seasons out of him for 27m is excellent value on it's own
Yeh, obviously the club will be reluctant to sell to Chelsea and it does all seem a bit football manager but it the deal really could be as simple as Rooney going the other way in the summer.
And as much as I love Rooney and would love him to stay if I was forced with the outcome of selling an unhappy 28 year old Rooney and bringing in a 25 year old Mata. I can live with that.
And as much as I love Rooney and would love him to stay if I was forced with the outcome of selling an unhappy 28 year old Rooney and bringing in a 25 year old Mata. I can live with that.
Some of the papers seem to think he is about to sign a new deal. Hope its true
We know he's a bit of a transfer muppets from his Ozil days.
Maybe signing Mata has been a big part of convincing him to stay. He's got his number 10 and he's now confident he won't be asked to play in the role of dropping deep any more.
What happen to Ohhh Robin, then?
He's managed carefully from now on, as he should be.
Like it or not the Mata deal lubricates the wheels for Rooney to Chelsea. The United and Chelsea representatives that complete the Mata deal will be the same ones working on a Rooney to Chelsea switch in the summer. We are signing the best replacement for Wayne Rooney that we could have got from the premier league and hes going to want to play where Rooney has always been number 1 for United and nobody else has had much of a look in, in the space behind the striker leading the line. And with us well out of the title race and realistically having a fight for 4th place, the same guy who was worried about the club achieving success a couple of years ago, asked to leave in the summer and has made a point of it not to say he's staying even after we changed manager, is only more likely than ever to push through a deal.
We could get him to sign a new contract, perhaps that will happen but that certainly wouldn't be an end to the situation in itself. Not without the player also stating what he's failed to do so far, that he has every intention of staying. Realistically all a new contract would do (alone) is give us more power in negotiating with Chelsea, probably a payday for Rooney and if we tell him we're okay with him going to Chelsea of course he'll sign it. Chelsea would have to pay a bit more and Rooney would get the move he wants.
However, if he signed a new contract and said he was staying then that would be a different story. Rooney and Mata could play in the same team and I'm sure we'll see that in the next few months. But given Rooney's actions in the past, what he's deliberately not saying, how uncompetitive we've been this season and now having the ideal replacement, all the omens are bad and its no use hiding from it. But stranger things have happened than Rooney changing his mind.
We could get him to sign a new contract, perhaps that will happen but that certainly wouldn't be an end to the situation in itself. Not without the player also stating what he's failed to do so far, that he has every intention of staying. Realistically all a new contract would do (alone) is give us more power in negotiating with Chelsea, probably a payday for Rooney and if we tell him we're okay with him going to Chelsea of course he'll sign it. Chelsea would have to pay a bit more and Rooney would get the move he wants.
However, if he signed a new contract and said he was staying then that would be a different story. Rooney and Mata could play in the same team and I'm sure we'll see that in the next few months. But given Rooney's actions in the past, what he's deliberately not saying, how uncompetitive we've been this season and now having the ideal replacement, all the omens are bad and its no use hiding from it. But stranger things have happened than Rooney changing his mind.
It doesn't lubricate any wheels. Mata was an out of favour player at Chelsea who the manager didn't want for whom an offer of £40m came in. That's no relation at all to a player who is central to United's plans and who the manager has expressed time and again that he does not wish to sell.
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