Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Losing Rooney would be like losing a mini Carrick, mini Kagawa and mini RVP rolled into one player. He would be an asset to any team. Just his work-rate alone would get him into most top teams around the world and he's a player that can afford you the options of dropping one to make another area stronger.

The one thing I will be unable to forgive Wayne for is if he walks out on a free or he goes to Chelsea. He isn't from down South, he isn't foreign and as far as I can see he has never claimed a boyhood dream to play for a certain team. He is also serving under a new manager, so if he had any ill-feelings toward Fergie they should have disappeared with Moyes. The only thing I could think of is that he feels he isn't appreciated like he should be by United fans. He wont get the appreciation he wants at Chelski though.
 
psychdelicblues said:
Why don't United make him club president as well. You're disgusted at Vidic's performance etc. but you are happy to pay a player who has wanted out of the club twice, what ever he want's and make him club captain to boot. It's not exactly taking the 'club forward in a new direction' either as well.
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Rooney deserves the captaincy more than anybody in the team atm. He has been carrying the team for quite a couple of seasons now, he is one of the first names on the team sheets, he show the qualities that are required to play for a top club like Manchester United, and you may not fancy him outside the pitch (I also didn't like his attempts to leave the club) but atleast he stays professional about it and on the pitch he always gives himself 100%. He works harder than anybody else in the team, he fights for every ball and he does it against any oppenent, he is probably the only player that really shows that winning mentality our club keeps bragging about. On top off that he has been here for 10 years and despite expressing his desire to leave on two occassions, he hasn't and still is one of our leading players. I think a team captain is supposed to be an iconic player for the club, should be a regular starter and he should show the desire and quality on the pitch to earn the captaincy. Rooney is the player in the squad that fits best to all those criteria.

Rather we spend our money and attention on keeping a player like Rooney on board than to accomodate for the likes of Nani, Young, Cleverley, Anderson, who contribute feck all to the team.
 
Some newspaper saying that we would let him go if we make top four but keep him if we don't and risk losing him for free the following year.
 
Lol disgusted at Vidic getting sent off? Were you that disgusted at Roy Keane or Cantona for their temper?

It's not like Rooney is an angel. Could have been sent off in the Cardiff game.
 
Bojan11 said:
Lol disgusted at Vidic getting sent off? Were you that disgusted at Roy Keane or Cantona for their temper?

It's not like Rooney is an angel. Could have been sent off in the Cardiff game.
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Like I said in my post, it was a combination of his defensive performance, sending off and also saying that the title defence was over after the game - something we all knew weeks ago but not something you'd like the captain of your club to be saying.
 
And either I'm missing something or he only publicly declared he wanted to leave once, in 2010, for which he apologised for afterwards and signed a new contract. Didn't Roy Keane hold the club to ransom too over his wages and considered other clubs as well? Yet a lot of us see him as a role model captain. No one can hide from the fact that Rooney should be the No.1 candidate to take the captaincy.
 
NextSeason said:
Like I said in my post, it was a combination of his defensive performance, sending off and also saying that the title defence was over after the game - something we all knew weeks ago but not something you'd like the captain of your club to be saying.
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If you know, what difference will it make him saying it? I'd rather have the truth out rather than the bollocks.

Do you think Roy Keane would say we still in the title race if we were in this position? No way he wouldn't. Keane always came out saying not good enough after bad performances.

Also Vidic has been our best defender. He's' played a key part in our team for the last 7 years, so have some respect.
 
NextSeason said:
And either I'm missing something or he only publicly declared he wanted to leave once, in 2010, for which he apologised for afterwards and signed a new contract. Didn't Roy Keane hold the club to ransom too over his wages and considered other clubs as well? Yet a lot of us see him as a role model captain. No one can hide from the fact that Rooney should be the No.1 candidate to take the captaincy.
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Roy Keane didn't question the clubs ambition and didn't piss on his teammates by saying we needed to sign new players. When Keane did piss on his teammates he was rightly shown the door.
 
Bojan11 said:
If you know, what difference will it make him saying it? I'd rather have the truth out rather than the bollocks.

Do you think Roy Keane would say we still in the title race if we were in this position? No way he wouldn't. Keane always came out saying not good enough after bad performances.

Also Vidic has been our best defender. He's' played a key part in our team for the last 7 years, so have some respect.
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Ha, I have plenty of respect for Vidic believe me - I joined in with our supporters singing his name as he walked off the pitch but was really disappointed in him for lashing out like that and creating unneeded hostility which could have led to Rafa being sent off as well (I doubt Rafa would have jumped in like that if Vidic hadn't of been sent off). I probably overstepped the mark a bit with the word "disgusted" but just felt he should have led by example.

I just believe that offering Rooney the captaincy and tying him down if he accepts can be a very clever way to kill 5 birds with one stone. If he isn't willing to, then yeah, we show him the door and we move on, like always.
 
There is a rumor doing the rounds that we will try to get Mata plus 10 mill for him before the window closes. Sounds like bullshit to me but ...........
 
@NextSeason I would give Fletcher the captaincy over Rooney just because his leadership qualities are more consistent. Dont think Rooney is looking to stay tbh
 
Wibble said:
There is a rumor doing the rounds that we will try to get Mata plus 10 mill for him before the window closes. Sounds like bullshit to me but ...........
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Me no like unless that extra 10 million was used to bring in a top class striker to replace Rooney which would have to happen this window if Rooney left because we can't just have Danny,Chico and RvP who has fitness question marks against his name.Rooney out>Mata in and say for the muppet value Cavani and also Coentrao and we'd all be happy-ish! Still i'd be sickened to see Rooney play for Chelsea!
 
Varun_Utd said:
He isnt a cert starter. The captain needs to be someone who's there in the 11 every game.
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Yeah but people were talking about tying him down to a new deal and giving him the captaincy. He could as well just up and leave. I'm not arguing on the basis of cert starter but who I think would be a more suitable captain for United. that's all
 
Gladiator said:
Yeah but people were talking about tying him down to a new deal and giving him the captaincy. He could as well just up and leave. I'm not arguing on the basis of cert starter but who I think would be a more suitable captain for United. that's all
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I'm not in favor of that either. Giving him the captaincy just to make him stay doesnt make much sense. Its really hard to find someone good enough to be our captain atm which is worrying. Real lack of leaders there.
 
Varun_Utd said:
I'm not in favor of that either. Giving him the captaincy just to make him stay doesnt make much sense. Its really hard to find someone good enough to be our captain atm which is worrying. Real lack of leaders there.
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I feel like current state of affairs isn really helping our search for leaders. But fletch to me epitomises what United are about, on and off the pitch. He's United through and through. I just dont see that in Roo.

It was easier to pick out a set of leaders when everything was going well. With the way things are right now, it doesnt look like anyone can really be a leader right now but there are a couple standouts
 
Gladiator said:
I feel like current state of affairs isn really helping our search for leaders. But fletch to me epitomises what United are about, on and off the pitch. He's United through and through. I just dont see that in Roo.

It was easier to pick out a set of leaders when everything was going well. With the way things are right now, it doesnt look like anyone can really be a leader right now but there are a couple standouts
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I agree with you about Fletch, the only problem is that he's far from a cert starter.

Among the current lot, I only see leadership ability in Evans, Jones and Rafael. The later 2 are too young for it.
 
Varun_Utd said:
I agree with you about Fletch, the only problem is that he's far from a cert starter.

Among the current lot, I only see leadership ability in Evans, Jones and Rafael. The later 2 are too young for it.
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aye but fletch should be starting more imo..he looked pretty good for completing 90 mins in two consecutive games. plus before chelsea match we had 8 days rest so i was a bit surprised to not see him start. perhaps his progress hasn gone so far but i think for the interim, fletcher should be starting more. he's done enough i think to at least be given a run of games if he can handle it
 
Gladiator said:
aye but fletch should be starting more imo..he looked pretty good for completing 90 mins in two consecutive games. plus before chelsea match we had 8 days rest so i was a bit surprised to not see him start. perhaps his progress hasn gone so far but i think for the interim, fletcher should be starting more. he's done enough i think to at least be given a run of games if he can handle it
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Dont know mate, I'm not much hope in him when it comes to our midfield, anything will be a bonus. I'd rather we appointed a long term captain.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Dont know mate, I'm not much hope in him when it comes to our midfield, anything will be a bonus. I'd rather we appointed a long term captain.
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I dont know. I've sort of lost some belief in the overall impact of club captain. Players can lead on the pitch without having the armband. Besides, it's not like Rooney would be our captain for that long even if he stayed. well i could be wrong there but dont see Rooney playing many more years at top level. I mean we can appoint a long term captain but then what?
 
Gladiator said:
I dont know. I've sort of lost some belief in the overall impact of club captain. Players can lead on the pitch without having the armband. Besides, it's not like Rooney would be our captain for that long even if he stayed. well i could be wrong there but dont see Rooney playing many more years at top level. I mean we can appoint a long term captain but then what?
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Absolutely, the arm band is mostly symbolic. And I'm not in favor of Rooney being made captain just to make him stay. I dont even know why it'd convince him anyways. If he's decided to go, the lure of captaincy isnt going to be enough to make him change his mind. I do think he's going to be around in football longer than most expect him to but that's another topic altogether.

Regarding the long term captaincy thing, it doesnt mean much but why give it to someone who wont even play most games? Surely we're looking at midfield targets atleast in the summer?

If both Vidic and Evra are going to leave in the summer, we'l need to appoint a captain. I'd rather it be someone who has shown leadership abilities and would play most games.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Absolutely, the arm band is mostly symbolic. And I'm not in favor of Rooney being made captain just to make him stay. I dont even know why it'd convince him anyways. If he's decided to go, the lure of captaincy isnt going to be enough to make him change his mind. I do think he's going to be around in football longer than most expect him to but that's another topic altogether.

Regarding the long term captaincy thing, it doesnt mean much but why give it to someone who wont even play most games? Surely we're looking at midfield targets atleast in the summer?

If both Vidic and Evra are going to leave in the summer, we'l need to appoint a captain. I'd rather it be someone who has shown leadership abilities and would play most games.
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Yes, this whole idea that Rooney is going to hit 30 and balloon into an enormous, wheezing fatty with chocolate smeared all over his face is a bit daft IMO, his game will change but he has more in his locker than charging around endlessly.
 
If moyes announced tomorrow that we got Rooney on a new deal and he was the new club captain I'd be delighted. Sure he behaved like a dick buy he's still our best player and what he did wasn't so reprehensible to be something we can't build a bridge over.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
If moyes announced tomorrow that we got Rooney on a new deal and he was the new club captain I'd be delighted. Sure he behaved like a dick buy he's still our best player and what he did wasn't so reprehensible to be something we can't build a bridge over.
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Wont get an argument from me there.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Absolutely, the arm band is mostly symbolic. And I'm not in favor of Rooney being made captain just to make him stay. I dont even know why it'd convince him anyways. If he's decided to go, the lure of captaincy isnt going to be enough to make him change his mind. I do think he's going to be around in football longer than most expect him to but that's another topic altogether.

Regarding the long term captaincy thing, it doesnt mean much but why give it to someone who wont even play most games? Surely we're looking at midfield targets atleast in the summer?

If both Vidic and Evra are going to leave in the summer, we'l need to appoint a captain. I'd rather it be someone who has shown leadership abilities and would play most games.
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Yeah that's fair and I've never disputed this. I've just stated based on actual leadership qualities, I'd rather it be someone like Fletch.
Adebesi said:
Yes, this whole idea that Rooney is going to hit 30 and balloon into an enormous, wheezing fatty with chocolate smeared all over his face is a bit daft IMO, his game will change but he has more in his locker than charging around endlessly.
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I dont think he'll balloon at 30. more like 33,34.
 
At this stage I think it's pretty fair to assume that he's unlikely to sign a new deal until we've guaranteed CL football for next season, which is far from a foregone conclusion. Then he'll be off to the WC so again it's probably fair to assume he won't do anything until that's finished and he's had a holiday, so I can see this being another saga that rumbles on through the summer and possibly next season if he decides to keep his options open.
 
Escobar said:
I wouldnt be surprised if Rooney would leave in the summer.
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Rooney should have left last summer. Despite the fact Rooney's been our best player this season (while not even playing his very best, which would be somewhere close to the form he took into the 2011 Champions League final) its been clear for awhile he does not want to stay at United. He is not going to sign a new contract and he will go either this summer or the next.

Fergie clearly saw what was on Rooney's mind and decided to force the issue at the tail end of last season, isolating Rooney and making Van Persie and Hernandez his strike partnership for the last couple of games. Fergie gave Moyes an excuse to get rid of Rooney if he wanted to, something he could have done without anyone blaming him allowing the whole side to move on. Moyes decided to do otherwise and has actually favoured Rooney despite the fact its clear he still wants to leave. You can understand why column inches are being used to hint that Van Persie (and others) aren't happy with this...
 
Brophs said:
At this stage I think it's pretty fair to assume that he's unlikely to sign a new deal until we've guaranteed CL football for next season, which is far from a foregone conclusion. Then he'll be off to the WC so again it's probably fair to assume he won't do anything until that's finished and he's had a holiday, so I can see this being another saga that rumbles on through the summer and possibly next season if he decides to keep his options open.
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I am not sure the club will let it carry on for another season, If he doesn't sign a new deal I think the club will let him go.
 
Brophs said:
At this stage I think it's pretty fair to assume that he's unlikely to sign a new deal until we've guaranteed CL football for next season, which is far from a foregone conclusion. Then he'll be off to the WC so again it's probably fair to assume he won't do anything until that's finished and he's had a holiday, so I can see this being another saga that rumbles on through the summer and possibly next season if he decides to keep his options open.
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eurgh last summer was bad enough :(
 
Yeah I suspect itll be a resolved by the end of the summer. Ill be emotionally severing ties on the last day of the season. Then if he stays Ill consider it a new signing and write to Woodward asking him for a signed photo to stick on my wall because he is my new hero. Then Ill stick it up next to the ones I have of Bryan, Joel and Avi.
 
hp88 said:
I am not sure the club will let it carry on for another season, If he doesn't sign a new deal I think the club will let him go.
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Depends on whether Chelsea still want him at that stage and whether he's only willing to go there. If that's the case then I think we have to hold firm and let him see out his contract, if only because a 30 year old Rooney won't strengthen them as much as a 29 year old Rooney. If we could get decent money from abroad then it might make sense, but I don't really see him as a player with any great desire to go abroad.
 
Brophs said:
Depends on whether Chelsea still want him at that stage and whether he's only willing to go there. If that's the case then I think we have to hold firm and let him see out his contract, if only because a 30 year old Rooney won't strengthen them as much as a 29 year old Rooney. If we could get decent money from abroad then it might make sense, but I don't really see him as a player with any great desire to go abroad.
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Consider this from the rumour mill but heard that as things stand, Rooney is set to join PSG.
 
So linked with Madrid in the Summer.

I 100% want him to stay, but if he still wants to leave in the Summer then Madrid wouldn't be a bad place for us to sell him to. They'd give us a good amount I'm sure.
 
Of course I want him to stay but if he still wants to leave come summer, I'd sell him to Madrid and hopefully we can bring in one of their midfielders.
 
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