No point risking him against Chelsea. He's usually crap in games after returning from an injury. Better to give him an extra week to recover fully.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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It's rare that clubs leak what would be essentially a flat out lie.
Sometimes they'll say he's 99% not playing as a mind game, but to bring him back after this would be a shock even by PL standards.
I just think with the lack of quotes, it's just media bullshit or just a purposeful leak. Maybe I'm just being optimistic.
Christ, not more Latin Kings pix...
Another three weeks out apparently.
This is legit ? I mean what is this fecking season, bad news after fecking bad news.
The tabs and the Irish papers running with it.
Anyone else thinking the injury may be fake? If United want to cash in on Rooney, the January window is the only opportunity to get the big bucks.
It is slightly suspicious that of all big games to miss, it's the Chelsea game. But I wouldn't say it's a fake - probably a massive coincidence.
I still hope this is just media bollocks.
I still hope this is just media bollocks.
What makes you think that? Just as a matter of interest
Also he is the most energetic of all our players and sometimes plays in 3 different positions in a match, where SAF got "lazy" from ill never know
Just don't think kagawa is that far behind rooney at the moment in terms of ability. I think a 26 year old kagawa will be better than rooney at 30/31. Especially if it's rooney at united because if he's still here in 2 years he's already got his last big contact and will have nothing to prove (like I think he does this year). I genuinely think the rooney we are seeing this year is the last time we will see him perform like this for us
He appeared lazy last season. Also, I would argue that both Rafael and Jones are at least as energetic as Rooney. One might argue that Evra is just as energetic as Rooney as well. Rooney is definitely up there though.
In that case in my eyes your severly underrating Rooney's ability, Kagawa since he arrived has barely been able to hold down a very much up for grabs position in our team until a few weeks ago when Januzaj stepped it up, I would agree Kagawa at his peak could be just as creative as him, but not a better all round player, its very tough to compare any player to Rooney because he is such an all round unbelievable talent.
It will also be tough for us to play Shinji in his proper position in our team because as you well know the Rooney shield is pivitol to how we operate, that physical presence and drive shields our weak midfield and Shinji is too light weight to battle it out with oppositions holding midfielders which shouldnt be his job but because of Carrick and Cleverleys lack of mobility he will be required too
Also our reliance on wing play does not suit Kagawas game of close control pass and move football, so the odds are stacked against Shinji overtaking Rooney in our team and highlights the importance of Rooney in our system, so unless there is a massive overhaul in our squad and system in the next two years i dont see Kagawa being as important to us as Rooney in two years if both are still here
He had a few months of bad form to be fair, other than that over the 9 years he has been here youd struggle to find a player in our squad who covers more ground and pops up to help others more than Rooney
Don't think I particularly disagree with that assessment. He covers more ground than most world class footballers, for sure. He isn't more energetic than Rafael, for instance, though.
Rooney offers less technical ability and other great attributes than some of the other world's best players, but his work rate is almost unparalleled for someone of his stature in world football.
Well, that's not true is it. I'm not quite sure how "playing 3 different positions in a match" comes into it either.
Yup, also he always comes up with goals/assists. He has excellent productivity, even if he isn't playing particularly well you can count on him to either score or assist.
It astounds me to read some of the stuff on here about him though, like some people hoping he leaves. He's by far our best player and most important player, and has been at the club longer then anyone apart from Rio Ferdinand. Sure he had the little contract dispute a few years ago, and he was unhappy with how he was treated last year but thats hardly a big deal. You'll struggle to find a lot of world class players in modern times who have stayed as long as he has at the same club and haven't complained about things. He wasn't born a United supporter dreaming of playing for us his whole career or anything, so its great that we've had him for almost 10 years.
Anyways, I hope he stays, because he's the only genuine world class player we have (and Van Persie), and because of his effort and desire always. He has it in him to lift the performance of the rest of our team and carry us when things aren't going well as he has this season. Its just hard for him because he's basically had to control games for the midfield, and be the main creator of chances as well as being the goalscorer.
How does it not? ive seen Rooney play number 10, drop into left back and centre midfield all in one game many times, even come back and help the centre backs retain the ball, you wont find many "strikers" who will do that, Rafa and Jones may be up their with him, but that doesnt disregard when he puts in a shift he breaks his balls for the team
how that doesnt qualify as energetic I dont know
I think a lot of people would only realize the true value of Wayne Rooney if he were to leave the club and that's kind of sad.
That's where we differ though; I recognize him as a world class footballer and his contributions to the club as such. Nevertheless, I want him sold. I don't mind players wanting to leave; it is only natural in a modern world that players and people want a change of scenery from time to time. In most cases that can only do them good. However, Rooney has made his reputation at the club a big deal. He is trying to be bigger than the club by trying to dictate how he should be treated. In my opinion, Moyes is to some extent letting him. He appears like a petulant child at times; I don't think the club has ambitions, and I don't want to play second fiddle to a player who's playing far better than me at the moment - petulant. If he want to move, then move, but do it with an ounce of dignity for the club and himself.
He is a world class player, and even if and when he plays poorly, he still contributes with goals and assists. I'm not convinced our overall play will not improve with him gone though. RVN contributed with a helluva lot of goals, but our overall play became much more interesting when he departed the club. It is hard to predict how the team will fare without Rooney. I don't agree that he is our most important player by far. RVP is a better player and one might argue that Carrick is as important to our current squad than Rooney. He is, however, a very important player, and by talent and performances our second best player. I do think the club will fare well without him though.
I don't see how being moved from one position to another makes you energetic. We all know he's more flexible than your average striker, if you want to class him as that.
Granted he's a bit more dynamic than last season, though.
Obviously we'll go on, we've survived losing better players. Going by the state of the current squad though, we have 2 players who are world class, 1 of who seems to be having his injury problems again, and then 3 who can potentially be world class (and probably will be, De Gea, Rafael and Januzaj). We need to keep all of our best players IMO as I just feel like Van Persie isn't all that happy considering he left a team like Arsenal to win trophies and after winning 1 title, he goes to a situation that is even worse then what he was at before. Even if we lose them, I doubt we'd be replacing them with top quality signings considering our record in transfer windows. Also, I'm not really convinced we'd play better football without him. Rooney is as capable and as adaptable as anyone, and has proved throughout his time here that he is more then capable of playing great football. He's probably our best player for counter attacks as well, and for quick link up play.
Anyways, as for importance, its all opinion, but IMO Rooney contributes far more to our overall play then anyone else. He is capable of being a world class striker and a very good #10, but because of our weaknesses through the middle, he carries our midfield, links the midfield with attack and is our leading goalscorer and has the most assists (by far). Carrick was maybe more important last season but this season he's been largely pretty shit. Bringing in other quality players for midfield would only help Rooney play better and help us overall. Whatever the case, I'm pretty confident in saying that we're far better off with him then without him, because other wise he'd massively improve whatever team he goes to, be it Chelsea, Madrid, PSG, or whoever, along with making us much weaker. Without him our team wouldn't be a top 4 team or squad anymore like it is now.
Not being moved from position but being able to operate in different parts of the pitch effectively, he could act like others and say its not his job to clean up after the midfield or Evra, but he does it anyway, he is one of the busiest players ive seen
Are you really going to carry on with this line after the hissy fit last season?
Honestly.
Two sides to every story,I praise him because he earns my praise on the pitch.. if hes being asked to play so many roles in the team to make us function you can kind of understand, then you have fans like you who dont appreciate what he does for us and probably want to see him benched for the undeserving Kagawa
I would rather he and RVP are not risked for this match. I wouldn't want either to get injured again.
It's a good job you appreciate everything Rooney does for us then isn't it
People wanting Rooney out only need to look at the difficulties we experience trying to bring top players in.
If we lost Rooney and VP or both in the summer we'll be in major difficulty, especially if we miss 4th.
If we lost Rooney and VP or both in the summer we'll be in major difficulty, especially if we miss 4th.
We don't face difficulty bringing top players in, we've just chosen not to for quite a while now.
It will be difficult either way if we miss 4th, and I would probably expect both of those two to be off elsewhere if that's the case, I certainly know one will
fecking Mourinho.
He's undoubtedly trying to weigh up the situation with his smarmy tactics and I will be amazed if they don't bid in summer, even if they don't think they have a chance, just to unsettle him further!
Any updates on whether or not he will make tomorrows game?
Was really hoping he would be back in time for this!
Was really hoping he would be back in time for this!
If your asking if appreciate all the trophies hes helped us win, the performances he puts in and amount of times he has dug out our underperforming midfield then yes I do
I think it's time to sign Rooney down for another 4 years, pay him £300k a week and make him club captain. That's the biggest signing we can make this window imo. It could also help attract players in this window and the future.
Utterly disgusted by Vidic's performance, sending off and then telling the media that the title is over (we already knew that) yesterday. It's time to take the club forward in a new direction with new leadership both on and off the field.
Utterly disgusted by Vidic's performance, sending off and then telling the media that the title is over (we already knew that) yesterday. It's time to take the club forward in a new direction with new leadership both on and off the field.
I guess, whether it's sensible to give him a huge contract, considering his age and fitness issues is debatable, I'm not sure what kind of message would making him a captain send, considering the fact that he tried to leave the club on two occasions over the last three years.
Why don't United make him club president as well. You're disgusted at Vidic's performance etc. but you are happy to pay a player who has wanted out of the club twice, what ever he want's and make him club captain to boot. It's not exactly taking the 'club forward in a new direction' either as well.
We really do need this to happen. Give him what he wants and make him the captain. It's not as if he isn't captain material - we do have more passionate players at the club, there's no doubt about that, but Rooney's character is captain-esque. Going by his form this season, he can really drive a team on and he really has carried us.
Selling Rooney will only make this transition worse. He's been with us for 10 years - it's not 27 years like Fergie, but it's still a fecking long time at being an instrumental part of our team. We're a completely different team when he's playing - one that can actually win.
I can't see it happening, and I don't blame him for leaving in the Summer. He's given us a Ronaldo season in which it's clear he wants to go and yet has given his 100%. Not many players would do that, especially when under the spot light he's been on.
Give him to PSG IF he rejects any deal we send his way.
Selling Rooney will only make this transition worse. He's been with us for 10 years - it's not 27 years like Fergie, but it's still a fecking long time at being an instrumental part of our team. We're a completely different team when he's playing - one that can actually win.
I can't see it happening, and I don't blame him for leaving in the Summer. He's given us a Ronaldo season in which it's clear he wants to go and yet has given his 100%. Not many players would do that, especially when under the spot light he's been on.
Give him to PSG IF he rejects any deal we send his way.
I don't think we will get to pick his destination, he has 18 months left on his contract so he will decide where he goes. If he wants to join Chelsea and we try block his move he will walk out for free next season.
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