I could also say that wanting to play as a striker and not in midfield or behind the striker, wanting to be scoring more goals could be an indication of him wanting caring about it. I'm not pretending to be sure of anything tbh, I just try not to believe things too much when the information is little. I respect your opinion and others who feel the same.
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I could also say that wanting to play as a striker and not in midfield or behind the striker, wanting to be scoring more goals could be an indication of him wanting caring about it. I'm not pretending to be sure of anything tbh, I just try not to believe things too much when the information is little. I respect your opinion and others who feel the same.
Not quite. I thought it was calling our club lacking ambition or something like that. I think it's the Ronaldo sale aftermath and we signed up Bebe! No great transfer for the next seaon too... Everyone except Fergie was expecting a good reinvestment!
No, I don't think it would but if RVP was to leave it would be a lot better for Hernandez.
We really should have got him to sign a new contract last season but I still think we can squeeze £30m for him, twice as much if Chelsea want him. As for this wages I think he will be lucky to get a package like that again.
Its true that what he said at that time was no worse than the consensus view on here, he gave voice to what a lot of people were thinking. But handing in a transfer request was always going to alienate fans, regardless of his motives. If that had been it nobody would be talking about it now I dont think, it is the fact that he then did a 180 turn and asked to leave again for the opposite reason, too much competition in the team for places. I realise this is a caricature of his reasons for wanting to leave, it is more complicated than that, but unfortunately that is how it looks to fans.
It is harsh but he's also correct. He's a really good player but not really good enough to be first choice at a club challenging for all major honours. Well, unless the tactics were perhaps set up around him meaning he'd only need to be there to finish and not get involved in build up play.
Strikers like that are a dying breed for a reason.
I agree. He's supersub really (and not really as good as Ole in that capacity!)...someone to come on to change things a bit and perhaps get a that poacher's goal. I can't ever see him being one of the main two strikers at United...
It was the way he did it that pissed me off. He could have done it privately but he saw this as an opportunity to get a pay rise.
I know what you mean - I can't say I'd shed any tears... partly because I'm less emotional about it, but partly because I've already lost most of my emotional connection with Rooney, and acknowledged he's a bit of a dick. I'd be more annoyed by, say, Welbeck deciding he wanted to go to Chelsea.
I'm not so sure it was, it really didn't make any sense at the time and made him sound like a clueless dick.
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Rooney made the comments after we were on the verge of winning our fourth-premiership league title? Four. In a row. We lost it by one single point to Chelsea....The season before that we won the league and got to the finals of the Champions League. The season before that we won the league and won the Champions League.....Through one of our most successful periods both at home and in Europe, that says a lack of ambition and trophies? Furthermore, that season we go ahead and sign Van Persie and Kagawa, win the league and surprise surprise we go through another summer saga of him wanting out.
By "more complicated than that" I was talking about this time around, it is more complicated than wanting to leave because of too much competition, i.e. RVP, i.e. the opposite of his reasons last time around. I think caricature is a good word for it because it is basically true, it is just a grotesque, exaggerated and unforgiving interpretation of the truth. I am sure he could explain his reasons and make it sound quite reasonable. OK well maybe he couldnt, but Paul Stretford probably could. If you put aside the fact that he is a terrible cnut and just listened to the words.
I think I completely misread and misunderstood your post, my mistake. I think a lot of people would have accepted quite a few different reasons for Rooney wanting to go, well maybe not, but certainly more than the dumbass reasons he gave first and second time round. It was just really annoying to see him question the clubs ambition when it's plain as day he wasn't really worried about United's ability to challenge on any front and then for the opposite reasons next time. I don't know how they approached it so poorly.
Yes, it is true, that first fiasco was very hard to take, you had to be some player to force fans to put all that shit aside and move past it, which most of us did. But then, just as it was out of most peoples' minds he reopens an old wound and pours a shit load of salt into it. This comes back to what I was saying a couple of hours ago about not believing he cares about the records. Why would he keep acting like such an inexplicable twat if he had his eyes on breaking records and club legend status? I cant imagine he would. Youd only act that way if the perception of the fans was much lower on your list of priorities than other things. Probably money to some extent. But like I said earlier I just get the impression he made his mind up he wanted out and now he just wants out, not for any single reason in particular but just because. Obviously I cant know this but I think if he had two offers, us and Chelsea, and our offer was fractionally better, he would still go. I think he cares about money but I think he wants to leave Manchester more than anything.
It can't have helped either that he probably didn't enjoy last season's title win since he was adamant, and Fergie has admitted as much, that he actually didn't ask for a transfer specifically - the lifting of the trophy sure looked like an uncomfortable time for Rooney.
Yep, I saw your posts earlier and definitely agree with all of that. I thought the same thing at the start of the season, I'm sure regardless of what happens this season or what we offer him he will go:
I would love to have the inside track on all that happened on that, an objective account, not coming from SAF or Stretford, both of whom will have too much of an agenda to take at face value. Why did SAF out him as wanting to leave, make his position so difficult? I remember thinking about this while watching the Keane v Vieira documentary as well. Much as I love SAF, he certainty has a very strong vindictive streak. Im sure both Keane and Rooney transgressed to some extent but it is quite staggering the harshness with which they were both treated.
I guess I am backpedaling here, having described Rooney as an "inexplicable twat" 5 minutes ago, but it is possible the latest saga was triggered by as little as Rooney saying "I dont like playing in midfield, I want to play up front more," and then SAF unleashing the fury on him, dropping him against Madrid (vindicated) and then outing him (perhaps falsely) as having handed in ANOTHER transfer request, knowing how that would go down. And then, you have to say, Rooney kept his council this time around and behaved pretty well, personally, though he has to take responsibility for his choice of agent. Still, when he started complaining about being dropped against Madrid he should have remembered he called this on himself by publicly questioning our ambition and forcing SAF to grovel in public. SAF wont have liked that. In retrospect it is pretty obvious there was always going to be comeuppance.
I guess I am backpedaling here, having described Rooney as an "inexplicable twat" 5 minutes ago, but it is possible the latest saga was triggered by as little as Rooney saying "I dont like playing in midfield, I want to play up front more," and then SAF unleashing the fury on him, dropping him against Madrid (vindicated) and then outing him (perhaps falsely) as having handed in ANOTHER transfer request, knowing how that would go down. And then, you have to say, Rooney kept his council this time around and behaved pretty well, personally, though he has to take responsibility for his choice of agent. Still, when he started complaining about being dropped against Madrid he should have remembered he called this on himself by publicly questioning our ambition and forcing SAF to grovel in public. SAF wont have liked that. In retrospect it is pretty obvious there was always going to be comeuppance.
Manchester UNITED that is. Im sure he would happily go to City.
It will all come out eventually...these things always do! Anyway, I do think that if Ferguson hadn't retired, then Rooney obviously would have left last summer.....on Fergie's orders and blessing!!
As SAF himself would have said, "there's no doubt about that!"
It's there winter in Brazil during the WC. He won't have a stormer because the pressure will be too great and although we all think of him as a great player in world terms he is nothing special.
Just saw a Rooney vs Chelsea compilation (09/10) from the Suarez thread. Effing hell he was some player that season.
They play the first game basically just outside the Amazon! it's going to be sweltering out their. I will be amazed if he doesn't struggle especially against Italy.
He always plays like a numpty at World Cups.
he usually has numptys around him..thats why.
I expect a much better team this time round.
I expect a much better team this time round.
I think its more to do with the fact he always seems to go into them on the back of injuries. The numpties around him dont hold him back as much when he is playing in qualifiers.
After what happened to him four years ago, I wonder if we'll see a more reserved Wayne Rooney from April onwards... probably not, but worth thinking about.
Injuries, red cards... Rooney has been 'unlucky' in major tournaments all the way from Euro 2004.
The defence doesn't look as strong as in the past, but the midfield and attack has some depth compared to previous years.
Yeah if he plays with Sturridge and Welbeck around him, and a decent midfield behind, I doubt we'll see the shower of shite from the past competitions. But anyway he'll injure himself a month before, it's certain.
Only three goals from third place on the All Time United goalscoring list.
He certainly won't announce that the "Big man is back" before this tournament, like a previous one
If the article about utd players getting a 25% pay cut for failing to qualify for the cl are true how likely do we think it is that Rooney will still be here next season?
I reckon he'll avoid all contract talk until the end of the season and then say he won't be extending it.
I think we'll let him run his contract down, there is no chance we'll sell him to another English side.
I'm not so sure, with the rebuilding we need letting a possible 20+ million go down the drain sounds crazy.
I just googled that. fecking hellHe certainly won't announce that the "Big man is back" before this tournament, like a previous one
We have a shit load of money, this club is a money making machine. The goal next season will be to get back into the top four so we can attract a higher calibre of player for the rebuilding job that needs doing. I think we're far more likely to achieve this with Rooney around than not. Failing to finish in the top four and then selling our best players sends an awful message. Let me put it another way, should we fail to make top four this season do you honestly believe we'll be able to attract another player of Rooney's calibre in the summer to replace him? This isn't Vidic or Evra, Rooney is only 28 and still has plenty of football ahead of him.
All good points, but also looking at the glazers, they aren't football people, it's all about money and loosing an asset as valuable as Rooney for nothing on top of having to invest heavily in the squad isn't an attractive proposition for them.
Well if that's the case we're screwed, it should be looked upon in footballing terms. If what you say is true then I doubt investing heavily in the squad will be an attractive proposition for them either. We get what? £30m from CL football? It's going to cost a lot more than that to invest in this squad the way it needs investing in, they might decide it isn't worth it. The £20m we get for Rooney next summer is very little in real terms, we won't be able to come close to replacing him for that. If he stays and we get CL football then everyone's a winner, he might even sign a new contract.
We should have gave him a new contract in the summer
Why would he have signed it? He's got all the power now, things really couldn't have worked out better for him. He's as important as ever to us, probably reminded a few clubs of how good he can be and only a year left on his contract come the summer. In a position to get a bumper contract which will probably be his last big money one.
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