If you lost Rooney, would Hernandez's situation change?
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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He's going nowhere lads, no need to panic.
No.Hernandez will not bebefit even if RvP and Roooney were sold.He isn't good enough to start for Manchester United, at least not if we want to move forwards!
Indeed and it's not a good thing if your two star strikers have different but very poisonous issues with the club.I personally think that those two have set the tone for the season.
That's very harsh. I really think Hernandez is excellent. If you sell him, I think he'll go on and have a massive impact wherever he moves.
Just my own personal opinion but I would be amazed if he stayed past the summer, amazed.
Whatever happens, I honestly hope Rooney will not leave the club. I cannot imagine him play for another club as silly as it sounds.
A little harsh mate but his overall game is so lacking.He's not a target man, and the the only position he can play is a nbr 9.He may be a success in another team and I love the guy and perhaps he would benefit from playing regularly, something that a lot of our current players may benefit from.He is a poacher and a good all round pro but he is limited and these days he rarely manages to stay onside.I wish him well but he needs a new club.
Me too mate but I am resigned to him going, especially after the stink he kicked up last summer.I expect chelsea to come in for him.
You make it sound like not wanting to be here is an unequivocal decision which will never change. Most players that don't want to be at a club like United only don't want to be here under certain conditions, whether it be to do with money, playing time, status within the club, relationships within the club etc.
Brwned, I would argue it a different way: sometimes when you get an idea in your head, you just need to act on it, even if the original circumstances that led to that decision change. It plays on your mind and the longer you dont act on it, the more dissatisfied you become, sometimes quite irrationally. In my own experience I have especially found this in the field of employment.
We are all guessing of course but I have been convinced he will move on as soon as the opportunity presents itself since he was forced to stay. He is making the most of his situation and all credit to him for that but if he signs another contract I will be amazed. People talk about the records he might break and the club legend he can become but I think they are projecting their own fantasies onto him. I have seen absolutely no evidence he gives a shit about any of that, if there is any evidence he does - a single quote - I would be interested to see it. I think he is far more interested in a new challenge and a change of scene. And money, naturally.
We are all guessing of course but I have been convinced he will move on as soon as the opportunity presents itself since he was forced to stay. He is making the most of his situation and all credit to him for that but if he signs another contract I will be amazed. People talk about the records he might break and the club legend he can become but I think they are projecting their own fantasies onto him. I have seen absolutely no evidence he gives a shit about any of that, if there is any evidence he does - a single quote - I would be interested to see it. I think he is far more interested in a new challenge and a change of scene. And money, naturally.
Just to add to that, one thing that in my experience is unlikely to to change a person's desire to do something is to be told it is forbidden, to have their path to it blocked. That might delay things, but usually only makes the desire to do it stronger. Rooney is clearly quite a strong willed person, so to have this path out of the club blocked as it was must have galled him somewhat. That is my interpretation anyway. To want to leave and be told no, you cant leave you have to stay, would make wanting to leave an end in itself as much as a path to making more money or working with a certain manager or whatever. That might say more about my own psychology than Rooney's but I suspect not, I expect that would be a fairly common response to that situation.
It can be said that you have no evidence of the contrary so why believe strongly that he doesn't care about things like breaking the all time goalscoring record ? Why believe something when there is no little information available ?
I'd say that the fact that the record is within easy reach but he put so much effort into fecking off is pretty good evidence. It's clearly not a priority.
Because what evidence there is suggests he wants to leave. The scoring record was there last season: he wanted to leave. SAF announced he was retiring: he still wanted to leave. Moyes was named the new manager: yep, Rooney is still saying he wants out. The circumstances changed, Rooney's position didnt. What put the whole thing to bed wasnt Moyes enticing Rooney to stay with a carrot, it was Moyes saying "he cant go, and that's the end of it." Since then Rooney has been asked numerous times about his commitment to the club and, as far as I have seen, he has been very careful to say he is enjoying his football and determined to do his all for the club, while pointedly refusing to commit himself, or even express a vague inclination to sign a new contract. He got quite pissed off when pressed about it in one interview I saw. So that has led me to the opinion I currently hold on this matter.
Of course I might be wrong. Either way, we wont have too long to find out, by the autumn Im sure we'll know one way or the other.
Of course I might be wrong. Either way, we wont have too long to find out, by the autumn Im sure we'll know one way or the other.
Well done, you just made my point much more succinctly than me. Usually not that hard, but still.
He's 28, got probably one last hurrah in his career and he ain't going to get that with Moyes at the helm since there is too much rebuilding to do. He's given us superb service...so I can't say I'd blame him for wanting one more fresh challenge...
Howeve, the sacrifice he makes...is that he will probably never be totally liked by united fans which in turn would dampen any "legend" status..
Howeve, the sacrifice he makes...is that he will probably never be totally liked by united fans which in turn would dampen any "legend" status..
Some people think Ronaldo is a legend and he acted worse than Rooney and spent less time here. I don't think people can hold it against Rooney if he decides to leave.
Ronaldo had a different club, in his home country, he specifically wanted to play for. Rooney just wants to go somewhere that isn't United.
For me, the latter is much worse on an emotive level.
Trying to be objective - because I would love to be a United legend myself, of course - I am trying to get my head around how important being loved by United fans and attaining club legend status would be to Rooney. A scouser, who grew up thinking very little of United; paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week; regarded by all and sundry as the best English player of his generation already, regardless of what he goes on to achieve with us; already won a CL and a shit load of titles with us. It strikes me that he already has plenty to feel proud of about his time here, and plenty of more tangible rewards for those efforts that a club record or adoration from a load of Mancs he grew up hating. Honestly the more I think about it the more I think he would barely even consider it a sacrifice. He's already hated by the Evertonians he grew up with - now THAT was a sacrifice. So if he is living down in London, playing under Mourinho, earning a nice wedge and feeling refreshed about his new challenge, is he going to give us much thought? I doubt it. Once a season he comes up to OT and gets booed, I doubt it would give him sleepless nights to be honest.
Ronaldo never really upset Ferguson...the fans perhaps a bit, but he was always going to go. Rooney upset Ferguson twice....sacriledge!!
I totally agree with you...I don't think it matters to him one jot...which when you love something...as I do united....just hurts a little that is all. But..for me, I think he deserves a shot at something new...he has kind of done it all with us and like any job..sometimes you just need that new challenge.
We agree on the main point but actually this is a common misconception that always grates on me. Ronaldo wanted to play in Spain (and he is Portuguese) and he didnt (at first) care whether it was Madrid or Barca, when the whole winkgate thing erupted and he first threatened to leave. That whole "I grew up dreaming of those famous white shirts" horseshit came later, after Madrid made their move and it was clear it was them, not Barca, that were more interested in him. Ive had to dig out links to prove this to people before.
How exactly did he act worse?
That simply isn't true. Van Persie wrote a letter voicing his concerns and a desire to leave Arsenal.
He said we treated him like a slave? Imagine if Rooney said something like that.
Yeah, I agree with that. I would move heaven and earth to keep him if it was possible but if he leaves Ill not really resent it. I massively resented the Ronaldo thing, but not this. Which is odd, I guess, seeing as our fans still sing Ronaldo's name and I have little doubt Rooney will be booed when he returns to play against us, presumably for Chelsea. (I dont resent Ronaldo anymore, and it was probably that whole experience that has made me more relaxed about this situation now.)
Actually I don't believe that is quite true. Ferguson said himself that when he bought him Ronaldo told him of his dream of playing for Real...
Rooney publically slagged off every single one of his teammates.
I'm not saying that Rooney/Ronaldo was worse - just that they both have done equally daft shit. Also, Ronaldo never actually said that slave stuff IIRC, Blatter said it, Ronaldo just agreed with the principal.
, but it's more a question of what he offeres to the club. Despite grumblings Rooney stayed and contrinuted immensely this season. Ronaldo is happily somewhere just giving press statements. I value action over words.What I don't understand is that the standard excuse for Kagawa i.e. being played out of position is acceptable, but when Rooney says it...it is just whining or pushing for a better contract etc. Talk about double standards!
Yes he did just agree with Blatter, but he agreed that it equated to slavery. It was daft from Blatter and very silly of Ronaldo to agree. I think Rooney behaved badly as well, I don't think he is whiter than white. I just think if Ronaldo is consdered a legend, there's nothing to stop Rooney being one.
When time passes fans mellow and I am sure both will be thought of as legends in 10-20 years anyway.
Is that in his book?
OK I might be wrong, I have never seen anything from that period that specifically mentioned a desire to join Madrid, as in, a childhood dream. I read he wanted to play in Spain for one of the top two clubs and he didnt care which. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5120332.stm
If you have read something from as early as 2006 talking about childhood dreams of Madrid then fair enough.
Hmmm, if you say so.
The feeling still persists that Ronaldo was always going to return home (by which I include Spain, as he was hardly going to move to a Portuguese club). Barca and Real are probably the two clubs in the world that it's hard to argue against a player going to from United - the only two genuine "step up" clubs. We constantly take players from the likes of Spurs and defend the player's motives for the move, pointing out how much moeny we give the clubs in return, and I see the Ronaldo move as similar.
Put it this way - If Real were openly desperate to get their hands on Rooney, I wouldn't blame him for taking the move. But they aren't and he'd be more than happy to go to a club that may currently have more money, but has only a fraction of the prestige and status of United.
nah..I have no evidence specifically either...it's probably a deep seated reasoning I created with myself at the time to help get over the huge disappointment of Ronaldo leaving!!
Sorry, I just love the jump from "I have conclusive proof!"
Ha ha. OK well my link is my proof. "Conclusive" proof might be stretching it too far.
I have come to agree with this. Deep down I always did I think, but the Ronaldo saga cast light on it, forced me to think about it. As you say, what we do to Spurs, Madrid do to us. There is a food chain in football and though we are high in it, we are not at the top, and there is no point in crying about that.
Leaving to join another English club might feel different - a perversion of the natural order, if you like, as Chelsea are not supposed to be "above" us in the food chain. But to be honest I dont think Rooney playing for Chelsea will enrage me. I think its just age, I dont feel such strong emotions about things like that anymore.
I think this is a very good point and does kind of make the two diferent. Real, arguably, is equally as big or bigger than united..you kind of understand a move there. But for Rooney to piss off to Chelsea...that hurts and feels like a much bigger insult...Chelsea is not a bigger club than united..just has more money. As I mentioned above, I just know it doesn't bother rooney at all, but it does me...as a United fan, and you can only go on your natural emotions about these things.
In 2010, didn't he say something about the lack of quality of our current players/signings/side?
He said he needed to make more ambitious signings, and then when we did he got rather cross about it. He is not the brightest bloke.
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