£30m eh? not enough to find a replacement, talk about a major rebuilding job in the summer...
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Rooney's been with us for 10 odd years. It would be a hell of a job to replace him considering he's been a starter for us for the majority of that time as well.
I can't think of a player who is similar to his style.
I can't think of a player who is similar to his style.
Rooney is unique. There is no point trying to replace him, it's like trying to replace Keane, just can't do it. Need to recreate the role and hopefully Kagawa is the man to do so.
He'd go up in my estimations if we fell out of the top 4 and he helped us claw our way back in there. But no, he'll bugger off to the highest bidder at the first sign of trouble, classic Rooney 
What would you guys say if they threw Mata in as well?
Would have snapped their hands off in the summer but I'm not sure we can afford to lose Rooney right now.
Would have snapped their hands off in the summer but I'm not sure we can afford to lose Rooney right now.
This is typical Rooney though. One outstanding season but you don't know what you'll get next. And when he goes off form, he goes off form badly. And with the World Cup coming up, I can imagine an off field incident ruining his mental position.
As for Mata, Mourinho really doesn't seem to rate him for whatever reason. At their peaks Rooney is a much better player but Mata is more consistent, seems more mature, will allow us to change our style of football to the one we all so desperately want to see, and he is younger. Hard to say what's best but it might be worth the switch. On the other hand if Rooney has another great season, we have effectively gifted the title to Chelsea.
During the summer, I wanted Rooney to leave. After Fergie's revelation and Rooney's average season, I was growing tired of a player who seemingly did not want to be at the club anymore. It seemed like more excuses would come out but thankfully he kept relatively quiet. He hinted in the summer and in the earlier part of this season how he enjoys playing higher up. But as much as Rooney may enjoy being the main man, it's clear he enjoys just playing football even more. Now he's had to drop deeper and even play in midfield just to help out. I think at the core of who he is, Rooney is a sensitive player and one who wants to know in football terms, everything is alright. Playing on the right wing against Madrid and then not starting in the subsequent leg was not part of the script for a player of Rooney's calibre. If you remember Colleen's reaction on Twitter, it said a lot about what it meant for him not to be starting and I'm sure in private, more was said about it.
We began to see signs of uncertainty and doubt creep into his play during that season. He just seemed so unsure of himself and perhaps being left out against Madrid was the final straw. This is why I think he visited Ferguson's office. Life in a footballing sense was not okay for Rooney and he sought to sort out it the best way he thought possible, addressing the manager. Although we dont know the full details of this conversation, Fergie lets Rooney know that he would be playing more and in his more preferred role, if he wasn't so off-form. But perhaps Rooney was looking for more from Fergie. A bit similar to Berbatov's reaction when asked about being left out of the CL final (I posted it in the Berbatov thread, recommend checking it out). Out of this talk with Fergie came news that Rooney wanted out due to uncertainties of his position at the club. It is in this sense that I feel for Wayne. He certainly could have responded and put more effort into training and games instead of letting the uncertainty get to him. However, maybe we have to accept this as one of Rooney's flaws for why he never quite reached true greatness.
We see how he is under Moyes. Much more energetic, more focused and determined, full of conviction and purpose. It's as if he has a sense of security that he didnt enjoy in Fergie's last season. Perhaps it's this sense of security that allows him to blossom. This isn't uncommon to players in general but I think in some way it is somewhat unique to Wayne in terms of the way he reacts.
As Hectic stated in the thread, Rooney's professionalism should be expected. Even if he is playing for a move or whether he's planning to stay, it's a win-win situation for him. If he does leave, I dont think not being the main man at another team will trouble him. He's won everything here. He's not a United fan and it looks like he wants a new challenge. As long as he's playing football and got a sense of security and trust from his manager, I think he'll thrive at any team, main man or not.
Football is a funny game. It's an emotional game and there's nothing like reliving a player's glorious moments and being reminded of what they've done at your club, that can make you doubt an opinion you held so strongly. Upon watching a Youtube compilation of Rooney's time at United, I was reminded of the great moments he's been apart of and the part he's played in some key matches. That instinctive, near post finish against Milan at Old Trafford will live with me for a lifetime. After watching that video, I felt a bit ashamed for wanting him to leave so vehemently.
So although I think Rooney is an absolute nutter,petulant and frustratingly inconsistent, I can appreciate what he's done at United. More than the trophies you see your team win, it's also about the memories which led to these great achievements and the joy your players and staff have given you along the way. At the end of the day, isn't it one of the reasons we watch this illustrious sport? The joy that at times is undescribable. Rooney has definitely given me that sort of joy, so even though I think he's a simpleton, I am also grateful for all the wonderful memories he's allowed me to enjoy as a United fan.
We began to see signs of uncertainty and doubt creep into his play during that season. He just seemed so unsure of himself and perhaps being left out against Madrid was the final straw. This is why I think he visited Ferguson's office. Life in a footballing sense was not okay for Rooney and he sought to sort out it the best way he thought possible, addressing the manager. Although we dont know the full details of this conversation, Fergie lets Rooney know that he would be playing more and in his more preferred role, if he wasn't so off-form. But perhaps Rooney was looking for more from Fergie. A bit similar to Berbatov's reaction when asked about being left out of the CL final (I posted it in the Berbatov thread, recommend checking it out). Out of this talk with Fergie came news that Rooney wanted out due to uncertainties of his position at the club. It is in this sense that I feel for Wayne. He certainly could have responded and put more effort into training and games instead of letting the uncertainty get to him. However, maybe we have to accept this as one of Rooney's flaws for why he never quite reached true greatness.
We see how he is under Moyes. Much more energetic, more focused and determined, full of conviction and purpose. It's as if he has a sense of security that he didnt enjoy in Fergie's last season. Perhaps it's this sense of security that allows him to blossom. This isn't uncommon to players in general but I think in some way it is somewhat unique to Wayne in terms of the way he reacts.
As Hectic stated in the thread, Rooney's professionalism should be expected. Even if he is playing for a move or whether he's planning to stay, it's a win-win situation for him. If he does leave, I dont think not being the main man at another team will trouble him. He's won everything here. He's not a United fan and it looks like he wants a new challenge. As long as he's playing football and got a sense of security and trust from his manager, I think he'll thrive at any team, main man or not.
Football is a funny game. It's an emotional game and there's nothing like reliving a player's glorious moments and being reminded of what they've done at your club, that can make you doubt an opinion you held so strongly. Upon watching a Youtube compilation of Rooney's time at United, I was reminded of the great moments he's been apart of and the part he's played in some key matches. That instinctive, near post finish against Milan at Old Trafford will live with me for a lifetime. After watching that video, I felt a bit ashamed for wanting him to leave so vehemently.
So although I think Rooney is an absolute nutter,petulant and frustratingly inconsistent, I can appreciate what he's done at United. More than the trophies you see your team win, it's also about the memories which led to these great achievements and the joy your players and staff have given you along the way. At the end of the day, isn't it one of the reasons we watch this illustrious sport? The joy that at times is undescribable. Rooney has definitely given me that sort of joy, so even though I think he's a simpleton, I am also grateful for all the wonderful memories he's allowed me to enjoy as a United fan.
I can't see a scenario where he will stay now. Even if we scrape into the top 4, I think he will get his wish this summer and move on. I'll be devastated when he does as he has been one of our best performers this season. Can't even think about who could replace him but it's certainly not anyone currently at the club.
If we got 30m for him, that would be good business considering his age.
Let's be honest though, if Fergie was still in charge he would have been playing for Chelsea this season, so at least we got one more season out of him.
Great player.
If we got 30m for him, that would be good business considering his age.
Let's be honest though, if Fergie was still in charge he would have been playing for Chelsea this season, so at least we got one more season out of him.
Great player.
This.
Its got to be at the back of Rooney's mind: He'll want one last big contract and he'll want to be at a club where he can keep winning the big ones. Can United guarantee that anymore? If the fans are worried about top four the players must be fretting over it too.
Was very much against Rooney going to Chelsea last season but if he's determined to push the move through, and is going to go either next summer or the summer after, a swap with Mata would soften the blow.
Will never happen but Rooney should play in centre mid next to Carrick when he comes back from injury. He will probably leave in summer anyway so who cares if he doesn't like it.
He's certainly got a footballing excuse to leave the club now. He'll be saying he wants to win trophies and right now there's more chance of that at Chelsea than here.
If there were ever a time for Rooney to get back into the hearts of all the United supporters it would be to come out now and declare he will be staying regardless where we finish this season. Lets see what he does is he money orientated or does he want to cement his place as a great at United like Cantona Giggs Keane Best etc
I wouldn't get your hopes up.
I have come around to the fact that Rooney will most likely be off after the World Cup, I accept that. If we somehow manage top 4, that changes things but that's not happening at the moment.
However, even though he looks like he is off, he is still a Manchester United player, probably our best and we need to back him during the rest of his stay. He is so important to us this season.
However, even though he looks like he is off, he is still a Manchester United player, probably our best and we need to back him during the rest of his stay. He is so important to us this season.
If only the players cared like we do! OI think he's playing for himself and his own profile and Chelsea will bid and we'll have little option other than to sell.If he's here next season with us i'll have cum dump tattood on my arse and bend over on Canal street!
I reckon he basically said to Moyes in the Summer he'd give us one more season, like Ronaldo did. He'll be gone next season, just hope RVP doesn't follow him.
When he leaves, it's important any business is done after the World Cup and we hold on to him as long as possible in the window as he is one of the few players that demands a decent transfer fee.
I don't think we should sell next summer. We should do what Dortmund did to Lewandowski, let him run down his contract and see what his options are 4 months before turning 30 - with question marks over his fitness it would be a big gamble for any club to throw big money at him in a long term deal, so let's see where he goes from there.
I'm not overly worried. By the summer of 2015, I'm fairly sure his best days will be behind him.
I'm not overly worried. By the summer of 2015, I'm fairly sure his best days will be behind him.
Usually this is for players who shine at the WC a d teams that do well England will do well to play more than the group games.
Was thinking the same. If Rooney has a WC like his last few tournaments have been he isnt going to increase his value particularly. You could surely make an equally convincing case that his stock is as high as it is going to get at the moment, when he is seen as one of the few things United has going for it, or at the end of the season if he maintains this kind of form. Before it gets tainted by the inevitable England muppetry.
The owners are never going to let him go for free when they could easily command 30m for him...
He'll be off this summer I think, and that'll be that... lets just hope we have Champions League football on offer to lure in any replacement.
Indeed AN, I don't see Rooney sticking about. He'll be off, I think we all know this is likely.
True, he won't have the platform to go and have a great tournament but he can be a shining light for a poor team and really stand out. And if we can keep a hold of him during that tournament, a club wanting a striker closer to the season will stump up the cash for him. I'm happy for a few clubs to come in for him.
Would rather he extended his contract as he is a quality player but true he is not unreplaceable so if he moves so be it.
Rooney won't have a stormer in Brazil. The heat will be too much for him IMO.
Even if he decides he doesn't want to extend his deal I hope he's here until 2015. It'd be pointless cashing in on him if he went to Chelsea.
If he doesn't want to be here the club is well within its right to keep him until the day his contract expires.
But I hope we can find a way to keep him here. He doesn't necessarily look destined to leave. I believe Moyes has shaped the set up around him and that should help...in that sense he will be somewhat happy from his own personal perspective. As a winner though, he may be left scratching his head.
A summer of good business and a promising start to next season could shape Wayne Rooney's final big contract decision. A poor summer and continued failings on the pitch will make up his mind though, I'm certain of that.
If he doesn't want to be here the club is well within its right to keep him until the day his contract expires.
But I hope we can find a way to keep him here. He doesn't necessarily look destined to leave. I believe Moyes has shaped the set up around him and that should help...in that sense he will be somewhat happy from his own personal perspective. As a winner though, he may be left scratching his head.
A summer of good business and a promising start to next season could shape Wayne Rooney's final big contract decision. A poor summer and continued failings on the pitch will make up his mind though, I'm certain of that.
If he doesn't want to sign an extension then keep him till his contract expires. Losing him on a free after what would be 11 years at the club is hardly a disaster.
As much as I usually dismiss these player swap type arrangements on the basis they never actually happen, could there be some business to be done here with a swap for Mata? If Mata wants first team football and Rooney wants to go to Chelsea, neither would usually want to do business with the other but both have sufficiently enticing carrots to lure the other to the table. If both are going to leave their respective clubs anyway could this be an arrangement that suits everyone? As in, soon, this month, given Mata wants to play himself into the Spain squad. I wouldnt usually endorse any plan that saw Rooney leaving but if things are as they seem and he is going to leave one way or the other, this might be the best outcome we're going to get.
Losing £40m+ is a disaster for the owners. They will want a fee for him which why they need him to sign a new contract this year.
Of course I would prefer he stayed on, he is a fantastic player that makes us stronger. However, I don't see him staying.
Let him walk out on a free or bag £30-£40m for a new top class player.. I'd rather the latter.
On what planet would Chelsea be wanting to pay 30 to 40m on a player with 12 months left on his contract? How much did Arsenal get from us in similar circumstances for RVP? Not even that similar to be fair, given that Rooney has been more public about his desire than RVP ever was, thus driving Rooney's value down if anything.
Chelsea bid less than 30million by all accounts with 24 months left on his contract, why would they pay more a year down the line?
I'm not sure what planet some of you are on. If its a choice between keeping Rooney for an extra year or getting 15million for him, which is far more plausible, I'd be keeping him.
Chelsea bid less than 30million by all accounts with 24 months left on his contract, why would they pay more a year down the line?
I'm not sure what planet some of you are on. If its a choice between keeping Rooney for an extra year or getting 15million for him, which is far more plausible, I'd be keeping him.
I hope he stays but he just doesnt look happy here. He has been playing well but then has had to drop deeper and play where he doesnt like to. He does the job, puts in a good shift but really doesnt look like he is enjoying himself. I suspect he needs a new challenge, a new start. I am betting he leaves us in the summer after the WC.
We need Rooney to stay during this transitional period, we really do. It concerns me greatly that if he goes we will be unable to replace him. It's all gone quiet on his contract too which makes me fear the worst.
No, but losing him for nothing and missing out on the opportunity to re-invest the 30+ mil we would have got is hardly very wise.
If he wants to go in the Summer then we should just let him go.
As I said above, seriously, 30+ mil? Why? Why would anyone pay that for someone who would be 29 years old 2 months into the start of the season and would be out of contract 12 months after, on top of investing circa 250k a week in wages?
SAF in his book says that Rooney is unlikely to be playing into his mid 30s, which I imagine would be the conventional wisdom given his body shape and the duration he has been playing at the top. We wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of 30+ mil in the summer.
Rooney's a massive player in terms of ability and what he brings to the table re marketability (if that's even a word). We'd have no trouble getting 30+ mil for him if we made it known he was available.
EDIT: Thirty Five Thousand Posts... FML.
Congrats on the post count, proud that it was in reply to me!
Still, we didn't need to pay anywhere near that amount to get RVP in similar circumstances, who is arguably a better player (definitely more important to Arsenal than Rooney is to us) and had not made eyes away so many times like Rooney.
If Rooney wants away in the summer, we'll be doing seriously well to get 20million, probably end up around 18million I'd guess.
If he wants to leave then thanks for everything, good luck and good bye, and not just Rooney, that goes for any player who doesn't want to be here, it's best for them and us to say goodbye
Yup, my thoughts too.
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