Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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True... He comes across as a bit thick but you can't doubt his effort on he pitch. Put him back in the 90's or before that when most people didn't care too much about what players said and he'd undoubtedly be a united legend by now. The reasons he said was probably just a load of shit the first time (it's plain stupid to claim we lacked ambition in 2010), to try and appease to the fans, same with saying he wants to retire here. He would have been better off not saying anything really, and not let fans think he'll stay forever.

Maybe he genuinely meant it and time simply changed his mind, who knows, but it's more his explanations afterwards and attempts to excuse his actions that were annoying, just be honest about it and a lot more people probably would have understood.
 
True... He comes across as a bit thick but you can't doubt his effort on he pitch. Put him back in the 90's or before that when most people didn't care too much about what players said and he'd undoubtedly be a united legend by now. The reasons he said was probably just a load of shit the first time (it's plain stupid to claim we lacked ambition in 2010), to try and appease to the fans, same with saying he wants to retire here. He would have been better off not saying anything really, and not let fans think he'll stay forever.
Half of the stuff footballers say during interviews sounds like pre written crap from their pr teams, your better off ignoring things they say.
 
He's had a good season compared to most of his team-mates but we can easily survive his departure
 
The squad knew what was coming when Fergie retired, we all knew it. If players can't handle a season without European football or being title contenders then they're free to leave, personally I wouldn't miss them if that's the reason they're using to leave the club.
Most of them can, but top players only play for their clubs so they can win trophies. Like it or not, that's the truth for the vast majority of footballers, though there are some exceptions like de Rossi, totti, di Natale, Gerrard, etc.
Once the team no longer looks like they'll be winning trophies of course they'll be pushing for a move. Rooney is 28 now, and van Persie is 30 I think. Considering van Persie only joined from arsenal so he can win some trophies, how do you think he feels that we are in arguably a worse situation then what arsenal was in? Or Rooney who will probably want to win the champions league one more time. Most people on here accept that it'll take us a few years to get back to being proper title challengers and perhaps win it. I think Rooney realizes he doesn't have more then a few years left as a top class player, because I don't think he has it in him to play at a world class level after 32 like you see ibra doing. It's also not like he was a united fan growing up, which are probably the only players who stay at a certain club if they aren't challenging for trophies, or even in champions league football.
 
He's had a good season compared to most of his team-mates but we can easily survive his departure
I was thinking the same last season but when you remove Rooney from the current squad we're fecked. What ever happens with him I am just hoping we have sort of plan to fill the gap.
 
You are so fecking annoying, ungrateful sod.

You know where the ignore button is then. In my eyes, it's no more annoying than the psychopathic worship of a proven idiot, both on and off the field, who earns more money than any man in the entirety of the club's history, who created a smear campaign in the Summer against the one man who genuinely does care about the club, and has demonstrated on countless occasions that he's a bit of a moron. I don't like the guy and haven't done for years. I don't think his leave will damage the club in the event he is replaced with some quality footballers in other positions. But yes, if he wants to leave then he can feck off and pull off his next stupid stunt elsewhere. I don't care so much. I didn't in the Summer, and if I wake up in the morning to read that he's leaving then United will still be here getting on with it. Thank you Wayne, and good luck, but I can't find it within me to give one. I suspect I'm not alone either. You seem like you'll be hit quite hard by it.
 
You really have to see both attempts in conjunction to realize how ridiculous it is. Originally, despite losing the league to Chelsea by one point and having won the last three premier-leagues in a row, he cited ambition and a lack of players for his reason to leave. We then bring in Robin Van Persie and Kagawa, the following season Rooney then wants out because.....he isn't the main man anymore. Come on...that's laughable.

As for the rest, that's fine and I have no problem with that either. The issue comes again with what Rooney said. Several years ago he said he'd like to retire here and that no other club interests him. We can forgive that, but after the first exit talk where he talked about players and ambition, he starts that season with an apology to the fans saying he was wrong and that he would like to re-iterate his early desires to stay at the club till the end. Forward another season, another transfer saga based on Rooney wanting to leave.

I don't know his reasons, but the ones he had given to the fans were completely stupid. Ambition indeed. I think looking at his past attempts, it won't really matter where we are if he wants out.

The second time Rooney suggested moving away and thats all it was which has been pretty much confirmed by the club it was because a) he wasn't playing in the big matches and b) when he got to play he was put in midfield. Now the whole time he has been here he has been shifted about into different positions, a move which would have made some players not stay beyond a year but never complained about it, now being shelfish and wanting to play your position after 10 years here to me if fair enough. It's also pretty obvious there was a falling out with Ferguson and in those circumstances I think anyone whould want to leave.

The funny thing is about the first transfer request is the reasoning's proved pretty much spot on we are now struggling due to a continued lack of investment he basically said what nearly every Utd fan has been saying for years, we have failed to improve the team in the transfer market due to the leeches taking all the money.
 
Top players should be able to live without CL football for a year, it's something that happens to all top european clubs from time time, sometimes teams even bounce better than before after such a set back, if any player thinks he's too good for this club then by all means let him go, specially rooney.

We've survived losing plenty of great players and if we're going come back from this we'll need a committed core to the squad, and i honestly think that if rooney leaves he'll live to regret it.
 
The funny thing is about the first transfer request is the reasoning's proved pretty much spot on we are now struggling due to a continued lack of investment he basically said what nearly every Utd fan has been saying for years, we have failed to improve the team in the transfer market due to the leeches taking all the money.

They were spot on? He said:

'I met with David Gill last week and he did not give me any of the assurances I was seeking about the future squad,' said Rooney in a statement. 'I then told him that I would not be signing a new contract. For me its all about winning trophies - as the club has always done under Sir Alex. Because of that I think the questions I was asking were justified.'
You remember Rooney made the comments after we were on the verge of winning our fourth-premiership league title? Four. In a row. We lost it by one single point to Chelsea....The season before that we won the league and got to the finals of the Champions League. The season before that we won the league and won he Champions League.....That says to you a lack of ambition and trophies? Seriously?

Rubbish. His reasons are just as retarded now as they were then.
 
Top players should be able to live without CL football for a year, it's something that happens to all top european clubs from time time, sometimes teams even bounce better than before after such a set back, if any player thinks he's too good for this club then by all means let him go, specially rooney.

We've survived losing plenty of great players and if we're going come back from this we'll need a committed core to the squad, and i honestly think that if rooney leaves he'll live to regret it.
I doubt he'd live to regret it really. He's won everything there is to win with us and I can't see us winning the champions league within the next few years. If he goes it'll be to Real Madrid or PSG probably, who will definitely be challenging for the top honours. Obviously we'll move on as we always do, and no player is bigger then the club, but and yes teams go through poor runs, but they also lose their best players in those periods. They keep most of them to help rebuild but like when Juve got relegated to the second division, ibrahimovic left them, or Torres leaving Liverpool when they started falling out of the top 4, even with bayern they weren't a very attractive option for players when they went through that little run a while back right before they turned into a top team.

If I was Rooney, I'd see it as 2 options. One, he could stay and help turn us back into a top team, cementing himself as our all time top scorer and as a united legend, but probably go through 2-3 tough years without winning anything.
Option 2 would be moving to a top team like Real Madrid or somebody like them, challenge for titles there and have a good shot at winning the champions league as well, increasing his world wide reputation probably.
 
They were spot on? He said:



You remember Rooney made the comments after we were on the verge of winning our fourth-premiership league title? Four. In a row. We lost it by one single point to Chelsea....The season before that we won the league and got to the finals of the Champions League. The season before that we won the league and won he Champions League.....That says to you a lack of ambition?

Rubbish. His reasons are just as retarded now as they were then.

Look at the squad 2008 and then 2010 (when the transfer request happened) and then now there has been a continual downward move in terms of quality and fans have been saying this for so long we must replace Scholes, We must replace Giggs, we must replace Ronaldo, we must have a central midfield you could see the way it was going in 2010 that much is clear. We had a squad we always dreamed of in 2008 and because of a lack of ambition to build on that we gave up the opportunity to dominate Europe The decline was slowed by the genius of Alex Ferguson a point pretty much eluded to in Rooney's statement. Just out of interest do you think replacing Ronaldo with Valencia shows ambition? Do you think replacing Scholes with Cleverley shows ambition? no its beena complete feck up, always buy and improve when your on top thats the key to staying there, we didn't and thats why Rooney's stement was correct.
 
Look at the squad 2008 and then 2010 (when the transfer request happened) and then now there has been a continual downward move in terms of quality and fans have been saying this for so long we must replace Scholes, We must replace Giggs, we must replace Ronaldo, we must have a central midfield you could see the way it was going in 2010 that much is clear. We had a squad we always dreamed of in 2008 and because of a lack of ambition to build on that we gave up the opportunity to dominate Europe The decline was slowed by the genius of Alex Ferguson a point pretty much eluded to in Rooney's statement. Just out of interest do you think replacing Ronaldo with Valencia shows ambition? Do you think replacing Scholes with Cleverley shows ambition? no its beena complete feck up, always buy and improve when your on top thats the key to staying there, we didn't and thats why Rooney's stement was correct.

I think challenging for titles year on year, often winning them, is proof of our ambition and ability to win trophies. The point remains, we were in one of our most successful periods when Rooney questioned our ambition and ability to win titles. Do you think replacing Ronaldo with Valencia, or Scholes with Cleverly showed we weren't ambitious or challenging for the title? So your point is not replacing two of our best players ever, with two equally good players shows we weren't ambitious or playing for titles?

His reasons were retarded.
 
this summer proved we were not willing to improve. not sure who we will bring in this month. But if we bring in some top quality players, he may well stay. It is money and ambition.

I cant really blame him. wonder if the Glazers are going to sell the club.
 
this summer proved we were not willing to improve. not sure who we will bring in this month. But if we bring in some top quality players, he may well stay. It is money and ambition.

I cant really blame him. wonder if the Glazers are going to sell the club.

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One can dream, but 'unfortunately' the club will continue to prosper financially irregardless of on field performance, which is all that matters to the Glazer's. Woodward said it himself, even if we don't get Champions League football it's okay because we'll continue to sell shirts around the world.
 
Think it's time to get over his first transfer request at this stage. His 2nd was down to him and Fergie not getting on too well.

For what it's worth both have badly tarnished his career with the club, but he is too damn important and comfortably our best player. The club needs to kiss ass until he signs top 4 or not.

It still baffles me that so many seemed happy to see him leave to a premier league rival in the summer.
 
I think challenging for titles year on year, often winning them, is proof of our ambition and ability to win trophies. The point remains, we were in one of our most successful periods in the last decade when Rooney questioned our ambition and ability to win titles. Do you think replacing Ronaldo with Valencia, or Scholes with Cleverly showed we weren't ambitious or challenging for the title? So your point is not replacing two of our best players ever, with two equally good players shows we weren't ambitious or playing for titles?

His reasons were retarded.


I think it was pretty obvious in 2010 we were on a downturn in terms of ability that could have been prevented by investment in the team I think we are seeing that now with Bayern who are basically saying we are on top and were staying there by getting the very best players in when they are on top, thats what we should have done. The decline in the team has been very gradual but the sign's were there in 2010 and have basically been relying on the ability of our manager to get the very best out of a group of very good but not great players since then. It could have been avoided and its a direct result of a lack of ambition in the transfer market something which was said in the statement and I repeat by nearly every Utd fan at the time and indeed now when we are really seeing the results of this lack of ambition in terms of bringing the quality needed here. I do think not using the Ronaldo money to bring the very best we could get here did show a lack of ambition, yes I also think not replacing Scholes or even attempting to also shows that and I can certainly see why players would see that to. I want to make clear I believe its the restrictions put in place by the Glazers that have caused this. I also should point out the player in question is also one of our greatest ever players.
 
:drool:

One can dream, but 'unfortunately' the club will continue to prosper financially irregardless of on field performance, which is all that matters to the Glazer's. Woodward said it himself, even if we don't get Champions League football it's okay because we'll continue to sell shirts around the world.

We're a business more than a football club, at least to our owners. That's what separates us from Barca/Bayern/Real and one of the reasons why they've managed to leapfrog us over the past decade. And the gap is only growing bigger.
 
I think challenging for titles year on year, often winning them, is proof of our ambition and ability to win trophies. The point remains, we were in one of our most successful periods when Rooney questioned our ambition and ability to win titles. Do you think replacing Ronaldo with Valencia, or Scholes with Cleverly showed we weren't ambitious or challenging for the title? So your point is not replacing two of our best players ever, with two equally good players shows we weren't ambitious or playing for titles?

His reasons were retarded.
His reasons were truly retarded. He's an absolute moron. Being part of THE dominant force in English football and was to leave over a non existent lack of ambition is stupid. Having a poor season and wanting to leave about a couple of games in midfield is just as stupid, as is wanting to leave over being dropped for a big fame or two when not at your best

Wanting to go when you're 29 and your manager is struggling to make your side a top 4 side when you're used to winning tilted throughout your career, is not a big deal for me.
 
Think it's time to get over his first transfer request at this stage. His 2nd was down to him and Fergie not getting on too well.

For what it's worth both have badly tarnished his career with the club, but he is too damn important and comfortably our best player. The club needs to kiss ass until he signs top 4 or not.

It still baffles me that so many seemed happy to see him leave to a premier league rival in the summer.
Everyone is over it. Doesn't mean we all have to pretend it didn't happen.
 
We're a business more than a football club, at least to our owners. That's what separates us from Barca/Bayern/Real and one of the reasons why they've managed to leapfrog us over the past decade. And the gap is only growing bigger.

Pretty much, as long as the Glazer's are swimming in the dollar they don't give a flying feck about our success. They'd rather win the Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
 
Think it's time to get over his first transfer request at this stage. His 2nd was down to him and Fergie not getting on too well.

For what it's worth both have badly tarnished his career with the club, but he is too damn important and comfortably our best player. The club needs to kiss ass until he signs top 4 or not.

I don't see it as tarnised when I see Rooney or Ronaldo for that matter I see two great players who have played a massive part in one of our most successful spells. I also see a great plan Ferguson had by bringing the two together in times when we where not restricted in the transfer market, genius management and an ability to spend on quality players and now we have lost both qualities!

It still baffles me that so many seemed happy to see him leave to a premier league rival in the summer.

Idiots, why anyone whould want to lose one of our few world class players I will never know. We shold be looking to add to them not lose them.
 
Has Moyes openly said that he'd have to wait and see if Rooney would sign a contract if we didn't get Champions League football? If he has it'd nearly be a safe bet that Rooney has already told him he's off if we fail to get top four, in my opinion.
 
I doubt he'd live to regret it really. He's won everything there is to win with us and I can't see us winning the champions league within the next few years. If he goes it'll be to Real Madrid or PSG probably, who will definitely be challenging for the top honours. Obviously we'll move on as we always do, and no player is bigger then the club, but and yes teams go through poor runs, but they also lose their best players in those periods. They keep most of them to help rebuild but like when Juve got relegated to the second division, ibrahimovic left them, or Torres leaving Liverpool when they started falling out of the top 4, even with bayern they weren't a very attractive option for players when they went through that little run a while back right before they turned into a top team.

If I was Rooney, I'd see it as 2 options. One, he could stay and help turn us back into a top team, cementing himself as our all time top scorer and as a united legend, but probably go through 2-3 tough years without winning anything.
Option 2 would be moving to a top team like Real Madrid or somebody like them, challenge for titles there and have a good shot at winning the champions league as well, increasing his world wide reputation probably.


Rooney is the heart of the team here, anywhere else and he's just another player, whenever facing a tough time off the field rooney turns into an absolute garbage of a player, but because we know his worth we've always given him time to recover his form, will that be the case anywhere else? who knows, can he shine outside england? i doubt it, of course i could be wrong.

Personally i think football should be more than counting trophies for players, if you're lucky enough to play for a top european club that challenges for trophies and pays you well, you're always better off cementing your place as a club legend, it's naive to assume that united will fall behind other clubs after just one bad season, other clubs could crumble as well, he wanted to join chelsea, it's a circus, can mourinho guarantees him winning the league or the CL in the next 3 years? judging by the level of competition now i'd say there's a good chance they'll win nothing, that's how i see it anyway.
 
How much do we actually lose by not being in the Champions League? Is it enough to make the Glaziers want to spend some serious money or would the cost of new players greatly exceed the losses? Everyone seems convinced the Glaziers consider the Champions league vital to their model, I'm just wondering if they actually give a shit. The commercial deals are signed, they have the PIK money, and will have more, they're laughing all the way to the bank regardless aren't they?
 
How much do we actually lose by not being in the Champions League? Is it actually enough to make them spend some serious money or would the cost of new players greatly exceed the losses? Everyone seems convinced the Glaziers consider the Champions league vital to their model, I'm just wondering if they actually give a shit. The commercial deals are signed, they have the PIK money, and will have more, they're laughing all the way to the bank regardless aren't they?

The big money is from commercial deals, but that may take a hit without Champions League football.
 
They're all long term though aren't they? The only big new one is the Nike one, I'd imagine Woody is wishing he'd tied that one up in the summer.

Yeah, so any financial hits would be long term if we continued to fail to qualify for the Champions League. Like I said, the Glazer's don't care about on field success.
 
Yeah, so any financial hits would be long term if we continued to fail to qualify for the Champions League. Like I said, the Glazer's don't care about on field success.
Yeah, exactly. It's all about incentive, spending over £100m just to get us back into the Champions League may not be as incentivised to the Glaziers as we all hope it is.
 
Rooney is the heart of the team here, anywhere else and he's just another player, whenever facing a tough time off the field rooney turns into an absolute garbage of a player, but because we know his worth we've always given him time to recover his form, will that be the case anywhere else? who knows, can he shine outside england? i doubt it, of course i could be wrong.

Personally i think football should be more than counting trophies for players, if you're lucky enough to play for a top european club that challenges for trophies and pays you well, you're always better off cementing your place as a club legend, it's naive to assume that united will fall behind other clubs after just one bad season, other clubs could crumble as well, he wanted to join chelsea, it's a circus, can mourinho guarantees him winning the league or the CL in the next 3 years? judging by the level of competition now i'd say there's a good chance they'll win nothing, that's how i see it anyway.

Of course we as fans think that football should be about more then that, but for the majority of players I think its fair to say that their personal achievements and trophies they won and the wage are the 3 most important things. Do you think Rooney would rather win another champions league for himself or become our all time top scorer and become a United legend? I think he'd take the champions league title to be honest, as would most who aren't United supporters.
I'm not saying we'll fall behind based on one season, but I don't think there can be many arguments that we'll go through a few years of transition at the very least where we have to rebuild. It happens to all top teams, happened to Bayern shortly before they became what they are now where they were knocked out of the group stage of the champions league and finished behind the likes of Stuttgart (they finished 4th, Europa league finish) and Wolfsburg in the league, and went 2 years without winning the title with Dortmund winning both.

Also, I'm not convinced that he ever really wanted to go to Chelsea, and I highly doubt going to City back in 2010 ever came into his mind. He wanted to go in the summer but I think he was disappointed at the lack of teams that were interested in him, despite both Bayern and Madrid arguably needing a striker, and PSG going for Cavani ahead of him. They probably weren't sure if he was past his best based on last season and weren't willing to risk the wages, so now he is proving that he's still a top class player.
 
If he wants to be the 'main man' then Madrid is probably one of the worst places for him to go.

I think there's a bit of a difference between what he probably wanted to be main man here and what his position would be at Madrid. There he would be the undisputed number 1 striker, and wouldn't be moved around the pitch all the time to help out or do covering jobs in big games, like he was last season. He wouldn't be number 1 but he'd still be one of the first names on the team sheet, after Ronaldo.
 
We shouldn't have played them with their injuries perhaps - in the case of RvP, Rooney, Fellaini to a lesser extent Carrick.

You don't know much about groin injuries, do you?

RVP played because he was okay to play. He hurt his leg taking a corner. Not something that occurs from coming back too soon, but rather something that occurs in an injury prone player.

The desperation to blame Moyes for everything is like RAWK
 
Think it's time to get over his first transfer request at this stage. His 2nd was down to him and Fergie not getting on too well.

For what it's worth both have badly tarnished his career with the club, but he is too damn important and comfortably our best player. The club needs to kiss ass until he signs top 4 or not.

It still baffles me that so many seemed happy to see him leave to a premier league rival in the summer.


RVP was comfortably our best player last season, and bar injuries I would expect him to be this season as well as he is the better footballer. As for your second sentence in bold - that is just plain rubbish. You do not make ANY player bigger than the club, certainly not Rooney!
 
You don't know much about groin injuries, do you?

RVP played because he was okay to play. He hurt his leg taking a corner. Not something that occurs from coming back too soon, but rather something that occurs in an injury prone player.

The desperation to blame Moyes for everything is like RAWK

We've played all of them with injuries this season. RvP included.
 
He's been the ultimate professional this season, and if he wants to leave if we don't make the top four, then he's well within his rights. He deserves to be in a team challenging for trophies every season, not Europa league football.

Why, because he's played well? He's been doing the job that he should do every season for us, given how much he's paid (and it's arguable whether he's lived up to the contract he signed in 2010.) United stuck with him during the peaks and valleys; a true professional would do the same for the team (like certain members of Juventus a few years back.)
 
Why, because he's played well? He's been doing the job that he should do every season for us, given how much he's paid (and it's arguable whether he's lived up to the contract he signed in 2010.) United stuck with him during the peaks and valleys; a true professional would do the same for the team (like certain members of Juventus a few years back.)
If anything, these posts are indicative of how poor he was last season and the second half of 11/12. Rooney has it in him to perform great for one full season, which he'll probably achieve again this season. It's almost as though fans are surprised regarding his physical shape and form on the field. Last season, I felt he didn't act like a professional. Fergie treated him unfairly in a couple of games, like playing Jones (who replaced Anderson) behind Van Persie when we attacked, while Rooney remained on the right. But I thought he made decisions like this to motivate him and with Rooney coming off a sloppy but productive 2012 (second half of 11/12), it's understandable. We bought Van Persie and he still found a way to make it about him.
 
Mixed when it comes to Rooney's future. I have always backed him during his controversies. However, if he stalls on a new deal, he is one of our only players who we can get near 30m for. If there is any doubt after the World Cup, I think the club will be forced to cash in and rightly so.

Would absolutely love to see him sign a new deal though. He is so important to us.
 
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