Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Hectic said:
See, why would you expect him to not be a professional this season? What did you expect him to do differently? Regardless of whether he wanted to leave last season, or if he wants to leave/stay this season, playing like a professional is a clear requirement for both of those things to happen. If anything, say he was looking to leave this summer, he has more of an onus to portray himself as a model professional then ever before. If he wants to leave and wants to go to better clubs or at least a club on our level, he can't suddenly pack in a season and play at half his level can he, it would make absolutely no sense and would just the move harder for him.
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It happens. Take Tevez for example. People portray Rooney as a "cnut", so I expected people to expect him to act like one. I don't think he is, hence why I wasn't surprised that he's being a professional - but surely you've read a few people who are surprised by his reaction this season.

Plus, I think I'm emphasizing how he's not giving the bare minimum of effort, when in fact he's given us more effort than most of the team put together. For someone who has lost his love for United, that's quite fantastic. For me anyway.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
It happens. Take Tevez for example. People portray Rooney as a "cnut", so I expected people to expect him to act like one. I don't think he is, hence why I wasn't surprised that he's being a professional - but surely you've read a few people who are surprised by his reaction this season.

Plus, I think I'm emphasizing how he's not giving the bare minimum of effort, when in fact he's given us more effort than most of the team put together. For someone who has lost his love for United, that's quite fantastic. For me anyway.
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I think there are cases, sure, but with what happened last year and with him being as good as he is (and wanting to attract the very best clubs if he did go), I'd expect what I've seen so far - maybe not such a good return mind! I think there's a gulf in difference between Tevez and Rooney, attitude and intelligence wise (somehow), and that while Rooney's team are retarded, they aren't that retarded. Plus Rooney is and always has been a much bigger brand than Tevez has.

I think that's just exaggeration. How do you quantify his effort being anymore than Welbecks for example? More than the team put together? See this is what I mean, what makes you say that? Is it that his performances are so good you're thinking he's playing better than most of the team combined, or you genuinely believe he has put in more effort than all of them?

That's what I mean though, it directly hurts him to give the bare minimum effort, staying or going, whereas it benefits him a lot to play to his best level - staying or going.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
It happens. Take Tevez for example. People portray Rooney as a "cnut", so I expected people to expect him to act like one. I don't think he is, hence why I wasn't surprised that he's being a professional - but surely you've read a few people who are surprised by his reaction this season.

Plus, I think I'm emphasizing how he's not giving the bare minimum of effort, when in fact he's given us more effort than most of the team put together. For someone who has lost his love for United, that's quite fantastic. For me anyway.
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That's a completely exaggeration, though. You think he's putting in more effort than "most of the team put together"?! Is Valencia not busting his gut? Is Ashley young not? Of course they are. It's just that Rooney is in form so you're appreciating his effort more, whereas when Valencia does it one thinks "okay, but can you please put in one decent cross now?". Same goes for vidic, welbeck and the rest.

I haven't seen a lack of effort from our team. Rooney doesn't "care" more than anyone. But he's playing better that the rest for sure.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I haven't seen a lack of effort from our team. Rooney doesn't "care" more than anyone. But he's playing better that the rest for sure.
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I think that's what all the effort posts translates too. He is simply playing better and that somehow equates into more effort than better ability. He puts in no more effort than Valencia to get down and put in a cross in, the only difference being Rooney has a far better ability to cross the ball.
 
Couldn't really care less about what happens to the guy. If he wants to go then he can feck off. If he doesn't then we've still got one of the best strikers in the world. Either way, either scenario isn't going to be the making or breaking of Manchester United, as much as his fanbois will continue to egg the latter.
 
Hectic said:
I think that's what all the effort posts translates too. He is simply playing better and that somehow equates into more effort than better ability. He puts in no more effort than Valencia to get down and put in a cross in, the only difference being Rooney has a far better ability to cross the ball.
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Yeah I mean he's hardly playing beyond what we should be expecting. He was kept here because he's one of the best players in the league, he's paid handsomely because of it and so him performing like that itsn't something special. It's not like he's putting in Suarez levels of performances or even in our own team I'd say all things considered Januzaj is exceeding expectations far more than Rooney.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
With supporters like you I wish Rooney does leave.
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OK, so humor me? What exactly was so wrong with that? I still am of the conviction that RVP is a better striker than Rooney and that Rooney isn't the best number ten as his technique and short passing are a bit sloppy for that. If he plays as a striker, he is more than good enough, as is he in the 10 position. However, he doesn't contribute to a fast flowing game, imo.

Posts like yours really are cringeworthy. Please do explain why Rooney is above all criticism, especially considering his antics? Rooney has been our best player this season, no doubt, but we aren't playing great football. RVN was an amazing striker, but our play became much more adventurous and entertaining when he left. Great players leaving may sometimes improve the overall play - it's not a revolutionary thought from my part.
 
Kag said:
Couldn't really care less about what happens to the guy. If he wants to go then he can feck off. If he doesn't then we've still got one of the best strikers in the world. Either way, either scenario isn't going to be the making or breaking of Manchester United, as much as his fanbois will continue to egg the latter.
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You're living in a dreamland if you don't think we'll seriously miss Rooney should he leave. It won't be the breaking of the club - though no one has said that and you just made it up - but it will be a huge blow.

Personally I think it is inevitable that he will look to leave, its been building for a while. Should it happen then we'll need significant investment because he offers more than anyone else in the squad.
 
If he does leave, which IMO I think he will probably, I'll wish him well for the future. He's given us 10 fantastic years, been a key player throughout one of our most successful periods in our history, and is close to becoming our all time top scorer. Who gives a feck if he wanted to leave a few years back, or if he wanted a better contract? The important thing is he is here and has been carrying us all season, like he has many times before. People calling him a cnut if he wants to leave really lack any sense of perspective and are incapable of looking at the bigger picture. He wasn't a united fan growing up so why did people expect him to stay his whole career? 10 years is a lot more then what most players out there would give you. Whatever happens, he's a united great in my eyes.
 
Rossa said:
OK, so humor me? What exactly was so wrong with that? I still am of the conviction that RVP is a better striker than Rooney and that Rooney isn't the best number ten as his technique and short passing are a bit sloppy for that. If he plays as a striker, he is more than good enough, as is he in the 10 position. However, he doesn't contribute to a fast flowing game, imo.

Posts like yours really are cringeworthy. Please do explain why Rooney is above all criticism, especially considering his antics? Rooney has been our best player this season, no doubt, but we aren't playing great football. RVN was an amazing striker, but our play became much more adventurous and entertaining when he left. Great players leaving may sometimes improve the overall play - it's not a revolutionary thought from my part.
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The fastest flowing football I've ever seen United play was in 2007-08 which had Rooney in that team, of course he can play fast free flowing football its not just Kagawa that needs movement around him you know. Do you remember those counters with Rooney Ronaldo and Tevez?

Gringeworthy? I'd say you are for wishing he would go. Of course he's not above all criticism but deserves a little more gratitude after playing 10 years for us scoring 150 goals and being the only player right now who looks capable of anything good for us. And enough with the antics bollocks, Ronaldo wanted to leave but no one branded him a cnut we still sing his name at matches, no one called Evra a cnut when news came that he wanted to leave for Monaco this summer either.

If he wants to leave we should thank him for what he has offered over the last 10 years and wish him luck, but as long as he is here and playing this well for us its wishing him to leave that's gringeworthy.
 
Kag said:
Couldn't really care less about what happens to the guy. If he wants to go then he can feck off. If he doesn't then we've still got one of the best strikers in the world. Either way, either scenario isn't going to be the making or breaking of Manchester United, as much as his fanbois will continue to egg the latter.
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You are so fecking annoying, ungrateful sod.
 
He's been the ultimate professional this season, and if he wants to leave if we don't make the top four, then he's well within his rights. He deserves to be in a team challenging for trophies every season, not Europa league football.
 
Hectic said:
A lot of people don't care for him or if he goes or not, you'll be doing this a long time if you want to respond to each one.
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Yes I know that, but reading "Couldn't really care less about what happens to the guy. If he wants to go then he can feck off." for a player that has over 400 games and 200 goals for us, is just too much for me not to respond to.
 
Slevs said:
He's been the ultimate professional this season, and if he wants to leave if we don't make the top four, then he's well within his rights. He deserves to be in a team challenging for trophies every season, not Europa league football.
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It's one season. If Suarez and Bale can live without Champions League then so can Rooney.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Yes I know that, but reading "Couldn't really care less about what happens to the guy. If he wants to go then he can feck off." for a player that has over 400 games and 200 goals for us, is just too much for me not to respond to.
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There's a lot worse to be fair. He also goes on to say if he stays we will still have one of the best strikers in the world. He recognizes his ability and contribution, but has had enough of Rooney's bullshit sagas to care about him staying. Some people find his antics over the past years have wiped away a reason to care over what he does anymore.
 
hp88 said:
It's one season. If Suarez and Bale can live without Champions League then so can Rooney.
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It's different when a player has been part of a team challenging for all titles for 10 years then suddenly is challenging for 4th place, especially when he's getting to the end of his prime. Suarez and bale were always part of mid table teams since they were at Liverpool/spurs, challengingly or 4th at best. Rooney is well within his right to ask to leave if we don't get top 4, it's not like he owes us anything, he would have been a world class player regardless of where he went.
 
Would it make a difference whether it's his right or not because we finish below fourth? He was happy to want away after losing out to Chelsea by a single point, which would have seen four successive league wins for United and he clearly wanted out last season despite us winning the league. I don't think it matters anymore what position we are in if he wants to go, it just makes the outcome more likely the lower we finish.
 
Hectic said:
There's a lot worse to be fair. He also goes on to say if he stays we will still have one of the best strikers in the world. He recognizes his ability and contribution, but has had enough of Rooney's bullshit sagas to care about him staying. Some people find his antics over the past years have wiped away a reason to care over what he does anymore.
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And those same people still sing Viva Ronaldo and wish we would brake the bank to sign him back.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
And those same people still sing Viva Ronaldo and wish we would brake the bank to sign him back.
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There's also a ton of people who look at Ronaldo in the opposite manner and don't like to appreciate his time here based on his leaving....that's my point.
 
Hectic said:
Would it make a difference whether it's his right or not because we finish below fourth? He was happy to want away after losing out to Chelsea by a point, which would have seen four successive league wins for United and clearly wanted out last season despite us winning the league. I don't think it matters anymore what position we are in if he wants to go.
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Well last season I think he wanted out because of the way sir Alex used him, and he wasn't the main man anymore. The first instance I think was just because of a new contract, he just went about it the wrong way.

There is also the chance that he just wants a change, try playing in a different league before his career is done. There's nothing wrong with that, I doubt he dreamed of playing for united his whole career as a youngster. I'm sure most players would like to experience playing for bayern, Barca or Madrid sometime in their career, and united is part of that list. Us not making the top 4 if anything will basically just guarantee his decision in his mind that it's time to go.
 
hp88 said:
It's one season. If Suarez and Bale can live without Champions League then so can Rooney.
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Saurez tried every single thing to force a move. Bale I'll you give you.

Hopefully you are right buddy.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
And those same people still sing Viva Ronaldo and wish we would brake the bank to sign him back.
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Despite his goals supporters will still remember the transfer saga we had with him, you can't expect everyone to blank that out.
 
So, Rooney should leave if we don't finish top 4 and would be justified in doing so?

After 1 poor season (lets not forget what he has won at this Club) some on here would see that as being ok.
As far as I am concerned he can leave if he wants to and I have believed for a while that he does want to, Manchester United will be around long after he is gone.
 
bosnian_red said:
Well last season I think he wanted out because of the way sir Alex used him, and he wasn't the main man anymore. The first instance I think was just because of a new contract, he just went about it the wrong way.

There is also the chance that he just wants a change, try playing in a different league before his career is done. There's nothing wrong with that, I doubt he dreamed of playing for united his whole career as a youngster. I'm sure most players would like to experience playing for bayern, Barca or Madrid sometime in their career, and united is part of that list. Us not making the top 4 if anything will basically just guarantee his decision in his mind that it's time to go.
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You really have to see both attempts in conjunction to realize how ridiculous it is. Originally, despite losing the league to Chelsea by one point and having won the last three premier-leagues in a row, he cited ambition and a lack of players for his reason to leave. We then bring in Robin Van Persie and Kagawa, the following season Rooney then wants out because.....he isn't the main man anymore. Come on...that's laughable.

As for the rest, that's fine and I have no problem with that either. The issue comes again with what Rooney said. Several years ago he said he'd like to retire here and that no other club interests him. We can forgive that, but after the first exit talk where he talked about players and ambition, he starts that season with an apology to the fans saying he was wrong and that he would like to re-iterate his early desires to stay at the club till the end. Forward another season, another transfer saga based on Rooney wanting to leave.

I don't know his reasons, but the ones he had given to the fans were completely stupid. Ambition indeed. I think looking at his past attempts, it won't really matter where we are if he wants out.
 
Hectic said:
There's also a ton of people who look at Ronaldo in the opposite manner and don't like to appreciate his time here based on his leaving....that's my point.
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So a player has to play for us for life to be respected? is that it? Aren't 10 years enough to say thank you and all the best? instead of you're a cnut, feck off United don't need you, couldn't care what happens to the cnut, etc etc?
 
UnofficialDevil said:
The fastest flowing football I've ever seen United play was in 2007-08 which had Rooney in that team, of course he can play fast free flowing football its not just Kagawa that needs movement around him you know. Do you remember those counters with Rooney Ronaldo and Tevez?

Gringeworthy? I'd say you are for wishing he would go. Of course he's not above all criticism but deserves a little more gratitude after playing 10 years for us scoring 150 goals and being the only player right now who looks capable of anything good for us. And enough with the antics bollocks, Ronaldo wanted to leave but no one branded him a cnut we still sing his name at matches, no one called Evra a cnut when news came that he wanted to leave for Monaco this summer either.

If he wants to leave we should thank him for what he has offered over the last 10 years and wish him luck, but as long as he is here and playing this well for us its wishing him to leave that's gringeworthy.
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I do wish he would go!

I remember those counters with Ronaldo and Tevez, and he was quite a lot faster back then than he is now, wasn't he?

There is quite a difference between the Ronaldo deal and Rooney. Ronaldo always wanted to play for Madrid and he and Ferguson made a deal. Rooney has sulked twice now, refused to celebrate goals with his teammates and generally acts like a prick at times. We should not thank him any more than he should thank the club - you seem to be letting the player be bigger than the club, imo.

Evra said he had personal reasons, at the end of his career, to move back to the club he started at. If Rooney, at the age of 32, said he wanted to play his last season or two at Everton, I would say all the best to him. He, however, seems to be looking for another big paycheck or whatever it is he seeks. Quite a different scenario, if you ask me. I don't think Evra has ever questioned the ambitions of the club either.

I'm in no way disputing the fact that Rooney has been and still is a very good player, I just don't think he is irreplaceable, nor do I think he is a legend like Scholes or Giggs, as you seem to think of him. Would you wish him luck for leaving with his history, but you find it cringeworthy that supporters have had enough of him? Imo, he's one bite away from Suarez, and I favour the integrity of the club far above great footballers, as did Ferguson.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
So a player has to play for us for life to be respected? is that it? Aren't 10 years enough to say thank you and all the best? instead of, you're a cnut, feck off United don't need you, couldn't care what happens to the cnut, etc etc?
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That's not even remotely connected to my argument. You're asking why some fans don't care about him, I've given you reasons why.
 
I don't think Rooney will end his career with us, and as much as I'm disinterested in him, he'll go down as a legend on par with Ronaldo. Not up there with Giggs, Scholes, Cantona etc. but a legend nonetheless.
 
Hectic said:
You really have to see both attempts in conjunction to realize how ridiculous it is. Originally, despite losing the league to Chelsea by one point and having won the last three premier-leagues in a row, he cited ambition and a lack of players for his reason to leave. We then bring in Robin Van Persie and Kagawa, the following season Rooney then wants out because.....he isn't the main man anymore. Come on...that's laughable.

As for the rest, that's fine and I have no problem with that either. The issue comes again with what Rooney said. Several years ago he said he'd like to retire here and that no other club interests him. We can forgive that, but after the first exit talk where he talked about players and ambition, he starts that season with an apology to the fans saying he was wrong and that he would like to re-iterate his early desires to stay at the club till the end. Forward another season, another transfer saga based on Rooney wanting to leave.

I don't know his reasons, but the ones he had given to the fans were completely stupid. Ambition indeed. I think looking at his past attempts, it won't really matter where we are if he wants out.
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True... He comes across as a bit thick but you can't doubt his effort on he pitch. Put him back in the 90's or before that when most people didn't care too much about what players said and he'd undoubtedly be a united legend by now. The reasons he said was probably just a load of shit the first time (it's plain stupid to claim we lacked ambition in 2010), to try and appease to the fans, same with saying he wants to retire here. He would have been better off not saying anything really, and not let fans think he'll stay forever.
 
bosnian_red said:
It's different when a player has been part of a team challenging for all titles for 10 years then suddenly is challenging for 4th place, especially when he's getting to the end of his prime. Suarez and bale were always part of mid table teams since they were at Liverpool/spurs, challengingly or 4th at best. Rooney is well within his right to ask to leave if we don't get top 4, it's not like he owes us anything, he would have been a world class player regardless of where he went.
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The squad knew what was coming when Fergie retired, we all knew it. If players can't handle a season without European football or being title contenders then they're free to leave, personally I wouldn't miss them if that's the reason they're using to leave the club.
 
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