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Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Pretty stupid of Moyes.
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I have felt certain for some time that he won't sign despite his season so far, actually his form and the teams form in general is the thing that will make him want out.He's gone for me in the summer and I am fecking too depressed to think about it tbh! It's one low after another atm and I am even pissed off that Young is injured, even if he's mostly dogshite!! We probaly can't sell him this month now.Bebe will probably appear in the squad before long at this rate!
If we miss out on Europe he'll probably be off and who can blame him really. He's been here getting on 10 years now and he's too good to be playing for a Europa League side in all fairness.
Rooney will leave if we don't make the top 4. That is assured.
We shouldn't have played them with their injuries perhaps - in the case of RvP, Rooney, Fellaini to a lesser extent Carrick.
Its the excuse he is looking for to be honest. No one should be surprised by this
I'd usually say "feck him, just don't allow him to leave" when it comes to a player of Rooney's standard - but the way he has performed for us this season after how last Summer panned out, I'd say we should respect his wishes as we did with Ronaldo. He's been an utter professional this season, and it's sickening that a player who wanted out in the Summer seems to be the one who has put in the most effort this year.
I seriously hope he signs.
I seriously hope he signs.
And yet he's doing all he can to get us into the CL.
Yes, they should have been rested. Try understanding what people post and answer in the best way possible. I know it's extra hard for posters like you and Redwood, but if you try, you will make it in the end. Good luck.
if we don't sign top talent he's on his way
and who could blame him......he's not going to want to spend his last contract fighting for 4th place
if we don't show the necessary ambition we could be looking to replace key players like Rio, Evra, Giggs, Scholes and Rooney next Summer
RVP came to United to win trophies as well - you think he's gonna want to wait around hoping Moyes can turn players like Ashley Young and Tom Cleverley into title winners - not a hope
and who could blame him......he's not going to want to spend his last contract fighting for 4th place
if we don't show the necessary ambition we could be looking to replace key players like Rio, Evra, Giggs, Scholes and Rooney next Summer
RVP came to United to win trophies as well - you think he's gonna want to wait around hoping Moyes can turn players like Ashley Young and Tom Cleverley into title winners - not a hope
I can't see him signing a new contract if we're not in the Champions League. He'll have his pick of top clubs and has clearly been considering a move on and off for about four years.
I can't imagine us making him play out the last year of his contract rather than selling him for £25m in the summer.
I can't imagine us making him play out the last year of his contract rather than selling him for £25m in the summer.
The only thing im surprised is that press/club reached the conclusion of Rooney not signing a contract so late. A person with half brain knew that ages ago.
It's £300,000 a week now? 
Seems to go up every time.
Seems to go up every time.Hes not the type to down tools - he will work his arse off. But i do think he will leave if we miss out on top 4...and i do think he wanted to leave in the summer.
It's £300,000 a week now?
Zimbabwe inflation has nothing on tabloid inflation.
I reckon he will be going either way. Yeah I've seen that argument a lot, of course he's going to continue to play as hard as possible and win as much as he can, it would be absolutely retarded to think he would do otherwise.
Just pretend that he decided a while ago he'd be leaving this summer regardless of where we finished etc, he's not going to spend the remaining games upto that point playing beneath himself. You'd fully expect him to play as any professional would do when they are putting themselves in the shop window. I don't know why so many thought that if he was leaving this summer, he'd just suddenly start playing like shit and not involve himself, hoping that this shit form and attitude somehow leads to the best clubs in the world buying him? Of course he's going to play his best, it directly benefits him to do so.
See, why would you expect him to not be a professional this season? What did you expect him to do differently? Regardless of whether he wanted to leave last season, or if he wants to leave/stay this season, playing like a professional is a clear requirement for both of those things to happen. If anything, say he was looking to leave this summer, he has more of an onus to portray himself as a model professional then ever before. If he wants to leave and wants to go to better clubs or at least a club on our level, he can't suddenly pack in a season and play at half his level can he, it would make absolutely no sense and would just the move harder for him.
Both van Nistelrooy and Ronaldo got moves to Madrid after a below-par season and I think it's fairly common for want-away players to lose that spark/extra 10%. Rooney did the same in the last few games of last season too.
Absolutely. Surprising how many believe otherwise.
I think he'll be gone too - he's doing what he wants...as he always had done.
I don't think they got the moves because of a below-par season, which is how that reads. Yes, players might lose the extra spark but it's not like Rooney is going to look like he doesn't give a feck and play shit for a season, or in this case half a season so far. Rooney might go ahead and lose more of that spark right at the end, but if he does I'm sure it will be because it's irrelevant at that point, it won't really have any affect on potential transfers, whereas how he plays throughout the majority of the season will. I think he tailed off towards the end last season because of his growing personal issues with Fergie, not because he was confident he was about to make a move.
The thing with Rooney though is he really is in good control of what happens now. With Ruud he was being somewhat marginalised and so wasn't going to be happy about that, with Ronaldo he might not have been as good as his previous season but that in terms of the excitement he brought was arguably his best season ever, he still gave us a great return, hard to say whether he wasn't as good because he knew he was leaving, he apparently wanted to leave the season before anyway. Rooney has gone back to being our main man and knows that come the summer United will have a serious decision to make if he doesn't want to stay any longer. Either risk loosing him for nothing or accept a likely below his value offer. Either way he's too important to be dropped and so he gets to be the main man, keeping his form up for the world cup and showing everyone he's a top player. Some fans might not like him but a lot are singing his name each game. I never thought we were at risk of him sulking all season and with the way things have gone for him personally, as long as he avoids a big injury I'm sure he will personally be happy with how things are going.
I don't think Hernandez - BFA was expecting him to drop a level performance-wise or be less professional in an attempt to force his way out of the club, I think he's just saying that because he wasn't fully focussed on the club he's at that his performance might drop. That's what seemed to happen with Ronaldo. Thankfully that hasn't happened with Rooney (yet).
I read it differently. He's surprised how Rooney has been an "utter professional" and finds it "sickening" that Rooney has put in more effort than any other player, despite wanting to go last season. I don't really see how it's sickening, not when it logically makes sense for him to put even more effort as unlike Ronaldo - who knew he was going to Madrid the year prior - Rooney doesn't know which clubs will be in for him and still has to sell himself if he does want to go. Last seasons lack of interest, or at least reported lack of interest (who really knows to be fair), might have pushed him on even further to make sure this season is an attractive one. Combine that with the utter professional bit, it does imply he expected Rooney to not act like a professional and put less effort in then other players - which ultimately doesn't make sense given he would be the one with most to lose from that attitude. I think what you are saying is extremely clear-cut and makes perfect sense, less so with his post.
Well if he puts in more effort than those who supposedly do want to be here then its not really a positive thing is it? What does that say about our other players?
Well, as long as they aren't purposefully not putting in effort, it doesn't matter. All players should give as much as they can on the pitch. If they aren't, then that would be dealt with after a game I'd assume. I'm sure the manager, coaches and everyone else wouldn't encourage or allow it. What I question is why he would show a lack of dedication or effort, as really no player should have a reason to do so, especially not one looking to attract the worlds best clubs. That's also why I put quote marks around it before as how do you even quantify that? There's been games this season where he has looked disinterested or been peripheral, how is that considered or factored in? Is it really just a matter of him being the best performing player - I think it is to be honest.
Rooney doesnt have to play well to sell himself. He is world class and all interested clubs already know what he is capable of. If he wasnt playing well they would also know its down to him not being happy at the club and wanting to leave.
Rooney is playing well because he loves football he is playing in his favorite position and most importantly his confidence is back because he is now the star of the team this has always affected him, just as it did with Ronaldo and RVP.
This is true. Rooney's team couldn't of made it more clear that he was open to a move and even then the only clubs to show interest were PSG until they signed Cavani and Chelsea. I don't think there was alot of interest in arguably one of the biggest names in world football over the summer, because if clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona were interested, history shows they'd announce it to the world before even contacting the club.
I think you are spot on here! If he wants to attract the biggest clubs, then he must play at his best and look bothered.
A lot of people argue that this is the best we've seen Rooney and that he is in the form of his life. If that is true, he is some way shy of the very best, imo. There is a gap in quality of what Rooney can offer and what Suarez offers, and there is certainly a gap up to Ronaldo and Messi, whom people argued he was close to in terms of quality.
All in all, he's a quality, world class player, but he is no Ronaldo or Messi, and as such I don't think he is irreplaceable. In fact, I think our overall play can improve with him gone.
All players have to sell themselves. If he had a totally shit season, I'm sure the offers (if he was leaving) would reflect that. Clubs that might have entertained the idea of breaking the bank for a one-off player like Rooney might re-consider it. Every club knows what he is capable of, but you aren't paying ridiculous sums of money for the years past. Especially at the very top level where consistency is expected and needed, not just in your best seasons. Of course he could play poorly and still be sold no problem, but would it be to the ideal team or the best team available - probably not.
With supporters like you I wish Rooney does leave.
Yep, I can't say for sure because I'm sure we aren't privy to a lot of the transfer news or bids, but without a doubt they were making it clear he was available and there was extremely little reported interest.
He'll go if we don't make the top 4 and that's a good reason to want to leave IMO.
So unlike the other instances, I wouldn't mind him wanting to go.
So unlike the other instances, I wouldn't mind him wanting to go.
What if he left for a team that finished one place below us?
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