Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Yes......yes they are. Being perfectly honest unlike previous seasons we really dont look any worse without him.

I know it's a bit shallow, but whereas in previous seasons every time he was out of the team i thought uh-oh, this season with RVP it just doesn't really concern me. And if Welbeck improved on his goal scorring tally then even less so.

A united fan mate of mine just has never ever forgiven him for putting in that transfer request, no matter how hard he has tried. So any lapse performance of attitude problem and he's on him like a tonne of bricks...!!
 
Surprised that some think Rooney was good when he came on. While I wouldn't use his performance as any evidence of whether he is on form, or droppable or undroppable, I didn't think he enhanced the attack any more than when Kagawa was on the pitch.
As for opining that Rooney is our best player, the statistics AND visual evidence this season says he ISN'T.
 
I'm not at all saying United should sell him - we all know how good he can be - it's just that I wouldn't be surprised if the boss was tempted before too long.
 
I'm not at all saying United should sell him - we all know how good he can be - it's just that I wouldn't be surprised if the boss was tempted before too long.

Who do you think would sign him? And what would United want fee-wise?
 
Who do you think would sign him? And what would United want fee-wise?

No idea, mate. Some nouveau riche clubs would offer a big fee just for the kudos of signing such a big name, just to show they've "arrived".
 
If United sold him, he would re-unite with Ronnie at Madrid. They haven't had a solid striker since Raul. And they would probably pay around £40m if I were to guess.
 
was only Saturday that i read quotes from Ferguson praising the Rooney-RVP partnership

Rooney brings so much more to the team than just goals as we all know

Even if you think he was rubbish yesterday when he came on, do you honestly think it was because of a deliberate decision to play badly? Thats what some of you seem to be suggesting.
 
was only Saturday that i read quotes from Ferguson praising the Rooney-RVP partnership

Rooney brings so much more to the team than just goals as we all know

Even if you think he was rubbish yesterday when he came on, do you honestly think it was because of a deliberate decision to play badly? Thats what some of you seem to be suggesting.

No, chief. :D

It's only me, thinking aloud. I'm usually wrong about these things, and no doubt SAF would laugh at the idea of selling Wayne.
 
I know it's a bit shallow, but whereas in previous seasons every time he was out of the team i thought uh-oh, this season with RVP it just doesn't really concern me. And if Welbeck improved on his goal scorring tally then even less so.

A united fan mate of mine just has never ever forgiven him for putting in that transfer request, no matter how hard he has tried. So any lapse performance of attitude problem and he's on him like a tonne of bricks...!!

That would be me :)
 
Even if you think he was rubbish yesterday when he came on, do you honestly think it was because of a deliberate decision to play badly? Thats what some of you seem to be suggesting.

I definitely don't he was deliberately playing badly, but he did not seem all that interested in the game. The only time he showed a hint of passion that I can remember was the penalty claim, the rest he just sort've wandered around not doing a whole lot.
 
was only Saturday that i read quotes from Ferguson praising the Rooney-RVP partnership

Rooney brings so much more to the team than just goals as we all know

Even if you think he was rubbish yesterday when he came on, do you honestly think it was because of a deliberate decision to play badly? Thats what some of you seem to be suggesting.

no not really, but the reality is that for the most part this season, by his own standards, he hasn't had a great season so far which is annoying since we signed a partner who is having a dynamite one. Rooney won't be happy himself that is for sure since he is refreshingly very self critical. Would just be great if he found great form for the last 14 games of so, because then i think the title would be bang to rites!!
 
Oh fantastic, the "Should we sell Rooney?" brigade is back.

Why can't some just be more patient? He's come back from injury - a month out or so, it's expected for him to be rusty. He may not be having his greatest season, but his partnership with RVP is clearly working.

Rooney is not a scapegoat.
 
That's the trouble though: recently, he always seems to be "coming back" (slowly); playing beneath his level; while the rest of the team waits for him to find himself again. Again, I'm not saying we should sell - I can't think of another player who, on form, offers so much - but it's not hard to imagine SAF's patience wearing thin. That's all.
 
That's the trouble though: recently, he always seems to be "coming back" (slowly); playing beneath his level; while the rest of the team waits for him to find himself again. Again, I'm not saying we should sell - I can't think of another player who, on form, offers so much - but it's not hard to imagine SAF's patience wearing thin. That's all.

but if you look at Rooneys history at United, you will see evidence that he always takes a few games to play his way back into form after injury. Its nothing new.

The plus point for us off course is that now we have RVP to cover for that
 
but if you look at Rooneys history at United, you will see evidence that he always takes a few games to play his way back into form after injury. Its nothing new.

The plus point for us off course is that now we have RVP to cover for that

He seems like he spends more time 'coming back from injury' then he does in form.
 
I must have watched a different match yesterday. Certainly didn't expect his cameo yesterday to spark negative debate. Genuinely thought he looked good yesterday, marginally off with a few passes but sharp in his movement, certainly didn't look apathetic or disinterested.
 
He seems like he spends more time 'coming back from injury' then he does in form.

Right let's not re-write history shall we.

I must have watched a different match yesterday. Certainly didn't expect his cameo yesterday to spark negative debate. Genuinely thought he looked good yesterday, marginally off with a few passes but sharp in his movement, certainly didn't look apathetic or disinterested.

Yeah I agree with this. I didn't think he was great by any standards, but I didn't think he was poor or disinterested at all. He did ok, had a few good passes, some poor ones, but suffered from the fact that he came on at a point where the whole team had decided to sit back and just play on the counter (where everything has to be very precise, which he isn't on a return from injury). I think it was a bit harsh to take Kagawa off for him so early, but I think it was more about giving Rooney additional minutes (rather than a 10-15 minutes cameo at the end) than anything else, in view of the cup game.
 
I'm not at all saying United should sell him - we all know how good he can be - it's just that I wouldn't be surprised if the boss was tempted before too long.

I did hear that we might sell Rooney and buy Lewandowski from Dortmund but I still see that as hogwash. As you say Steve, some people believe Fergie is getting fed up with Rooney.

It'd be weird if we did sell him. He could go on to be the top goalscorer at this club but we all know Fergie. Ruthless as they come.
 
but if you look at Rooneys history at United, you will see evidence that he always takes a few games to play his way back into form after injury. Its nothing new.

The plus point for us off course is that now we have RVP to cover for that

You have a point but i distinctly remember Rooney performing really well when he came back from injury againsnt Newcastle in the COC. Sometimes he comes back really fresh and performs well. Other times, it's like yesterday. It was mediocre from him and we needed more than mediocre if we were going to extend our lead.

How he fecked up that counterattack from RVP's backheel wasn't going to help how fans viewed his cameo. If this continues on for 5 matches or so (doubt it will) then I'd be a little concerned for Roo.
 
I must have watched a different match yesterday. Certainly didn't expect his cameo yesterday to spark negative debate. Genuinely thought he looked good yesterday, marginally off with a few passes but sharp in his movement, certainly didn't look apathetic or disinterested.

Yeah, I watched your match, thought he was fine.

Not exceptional, but given how long he normally takes to find form after injury, I'm not disappointed with this and the West ham match.
 
I meant the continual cycle of he's injured/he's back/he's slow to get really back/he's injured again or hungover or overweight etc etc.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again...he has never been the same player since that transplant. Its the opposite of Samson Delilah...

shave it off my son....shave it off....
 
If Rooney indeed won that penalty, I reckon it would have been a total different reaction. He came on, and instantly made an impact. We should of went 2-0 up.
 
Rooney was NEVER excellent technically, but he had insane mental attributes that pushed him on.

Now that he's not focused mentally, his first touch and dribbling are that of a mid-table player. Once or twice in the game the camera was on him dribbling and I was begging for it to stop, it was torture, it looks like he was out-dribbled by his own self, very uncomfortable with the ball, really reminds me of myself, and I am awful.

That's how I see it, you can rape me now.

I still think he's a fantastic player, but he needs to sort his shit out. I understand he's coming back from injury but it seems we've spent the past two seasons debating whether he's all that good or not, this alone tells that he's really on self-destruct mode.

About yesterday, I think Kagawa off for Rooney was a terrible decision, Kagawa was very dynamic, he was closing down the opposition very quickly but not as tight (and naive) as Rooney would, he was quick to turn and pick another player if he loses his man, and he was very unpredictable in attack. Once Rooney took his place it was the same old, and his yellow card was typical Rooney as well, unexplained implosions of stupidity.
 
Come on, that's harsh! He barely missed a game last season with injuries, must've been his best season in a United shirt injuries-wise actually. Rio bar the odd exception was generally the same coming back from injuries. Nani too. Even van Persie said the other day it could take him a couple of months to get back to feeling 100% after some injuries. I doubt that would be enough to piss Sir Alex off and all the rest of it's just rumours, isn't it?
 
Come on, that's harsh! He barely missed a game last season with injuries, must've been his best season in a United shirt injuries-wise actually. Rio bar the odd exception was generally the same coming back from injuries. Nani too. Even van Persie said the other day it could take him a couple of months to get back to feeling 100% after some injuries. I doubt that would be enough to piss Sir Alex off and all the rest of it's just rumours, isn't it?

The difference between those other players and Rooney are when they arent at 100% they are still pretty decent, when Rooney is coming back from injury sometimes it is like playing with 10 men.
 
As I mentioned earlier, my posts were just thoughts rather than convictions. Of course, I've no idea what SAF thinks. I'd have been better off not posting, really; I'm nowhere near expert enough to back up my speculations with undeniable facts.
 
As I mentioned earlier, my posts were just thoughts rather than convictions. Of course, I've no idea what SAF thinks. I'd have been better off not posting, really; I'm nowhere near expert enough to back up my speculations with undeniable facts.

Its almost a hanging offence around here to criticise St Wayne.......
 
Its almost a hanging offence around here to criticise St Wayne.......

...which is kind of suprising considering he put in THAT transfer request and allegedly suggested the club had no ambition. I know people say move on from that, but it still bloody irks me which means in my mind he should be held more accountable than others...
 
...which is kind of suprising considering he put in THAT transfer request and allegedly suggested the club had no ambition. I know people say move on from that, but it still bloody irks me which means in my mind he should be held more accountable than others...

feck moving on, Ill never forget the look on SAFs face in that press conference, he looked like he was genuiunely heartbroken at being treated that way, and he aint THAT good an actor.
 
The difference between those other players and Rooney are when they arent at 100% they are still pretty decent, when Rooney is coming back from injury sometimes it is like playing with 10 men.

Is that really a good reason to sell a player though?! It's like people suggesting we sell Giggsy at the same age just because he was still inconsistent...it's frustrating for sure but we're lucky to have these players in the first place, you don't just throw them away over something like that. People talk about Giggs not going on to be the new George Best and Rooney not going on to be better than Ronaldo but the reason for that is that lack of single-mindedness and selfish focus that the very top, top players have - that's something that held them back as individuals but it's also something that benefited us hugely.

Can you really see George Best playing left back (like Giggs multiple times) or Ronaldo playing as (essentially) a left wing back (like Rooney v Barcelona and co.)? Think about how many different roles Rooney has played here - in behind Van Nistelrooy, in behind Saha, ahead of Tevez, on the opposing wing to Ronaldo, up top on his own, in centre mid...and each time it was to benefit the team rather than in pursuit of his own selfish goals. Giggsy's the same in that after being voted YPOTY two years running, he's moved out to the right wing to allow Sharpey back into the side. Not long after that we have a long-term striker crisis so he plays as a striker. Fast forward a decade later and Scholes is out with the eye-injury so he reinvents himself as a centre mid and now, at 39 years old, he goes back to being a winger at a time when our wingplay's the worst it's been in years.

The number of times Rooney and Giggs have put the good of the team ahead of their own selfish goals is remarkable for players with their level of talent. It might stop them from being up there with Pelé and co. as individual players but it'll also lead to them being Manchester United's record goalscorer and record appearance-holder. We're lucky to have a player like Rooney and unless he wants out the door I see no reason to push him out. Otherwise we wouldn't have fought so hard to keep him in the first place.
 
Is that really a good reason to sell a player though?! It's like people suggesting we sell Giggsy at the same age just because he was still inconsistent...it's frustrating for sure but we're lucky to have these players in the first place, you don't just throw them away over something like that. People talk about Giggs not going on to be the new George Best and Rooney not going on to be better than Ronaldo but the reason for that is that lack of single-mindedness and selfish focus that the very top, top players have - that's something that held them back as individuals but it's also something that benefited us hugely.

Can you really see George Best playing left back (like Giggs multiple times) or Ronaldo playing as (essentially) a left wing back (like Rooney v Barcelona and co.)? Think about how many different roles Rooney has played here - in behind Van Nistelrooy, in behind Saha, ahead of Tevez, on the opposing wing to Ronaldo, up top on his own, in centre mid...and each time it was to benefit the team rather than in pursuit of his own selfish goals. Giggsy's the same in that after being voted YPOTY two years running, he's moved out to the right wing to allow Sharpey back into the side. Not long after that we have a long-term striker crisis so he plays as a striker. Fast forward a decade later and Scholes is out with the eye-injury so he reinvents himself as a centre mid and now, at 39 years old, he goes back to being a winger at a time when our wingplay's the worst it's been in years.

The number of times Rooney and Giggs have put the good of the team ahead of their own selfish goals is remarkable for players with their level of talent. It might stop them from being up there with Pelé and co. as individual players but it'll also lead to them being Manchester United's record goalscorer and record appearance-holder. We're lucky to have a player like Rooney and unless he wants out the door I see no reason to push him out. Otherwise we wouldn't have fought so hard to keep him in the first place.

All perfectly good points, and I couldnt care less. I dont like him, never have, never will.
 
I don't think anyone is really serious about wanting to sell him are they? I think everyone knows that when on form he is one of the best players in the league. However he is one of those guys who sometimes needs one monumental kick up the arse and Ferguson definitely knows how to do that. I still think he was dropped against Spurs for that penalty miss, a culmination if you like of a pretty ropey season so far by his standards. At his age he's supposed to be reaching his peak, so he has a bit of work to do on that. Do I have an affection for him? No, he blew that by the way he treated this club. But bloody hell do I want him bang on form for the next 14 odd games because then I think we have on hell of a chance to snag that title.
 
If United sold him, he would re-unite with Ronnie at Madrid. They haven't had a solid striker since Raul. And they would probably pay around £40m if I were to guess.

don't think he ever wants to go back carrying ronnie's water no matter what he says publicly. rooney would have to sacrifice his game more for ronnie than he does for RvP.
 
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