Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Rooney actually had favourable comments on Moyes's training methods which he said helped him become more fitter than ever before. On the other hand RvP had negative comments that the high stamina/running training does not fit a player who has a injurey record and is at the end of his prime.

Apart from the basic training, it needs more customization to enhance the individual positives of the player and not drum them into a common routine.
 
Absolute Fruit Cake said:
Rooney actually had favourable comments on Moyes's training methods which he said helped him become more fitter than ever before. On the other hand RvP had negative comments that the high stamina/running training does not fit a player who has a injurey record and is at the end of his prime.

Apart from the basic training, it needs more customization to enhance the individual positives of the player and not drum them into a common routine.
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Did RVP really say that ? I have a hard time believe this isn't some interpretation from you.
 
Absolute Fruit Cake said:
If you are going to keep waiting for direct quotes, keep waiting. I think there is a direct quote from Rooney that the new training is helping him. This added to 'sources' and RvP being back in injury table...you make your own conclusions.
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When RVP got injured people were always going to say it was down to the new training methods, I'm not saying it isn't the case, however there is no proof that this is true.
He has always had bad luck with injuries, maybe we were lucky last season that he was virtually injury free the entire season. It's not often that happens to any player let alone RVP.

It's frustrating, especially as him and Rooney were starting to get a fantastic understanding. What is it, 9 games they have played together and we have won 7 and drawn 2. That's a fantastic return in anybody's book, hopefully the second half of the season is better for RVP and him and Rooney can help us get a top 4 place.
 
Absolute Fruit Cake said:
If you are going to keep waiting for direct quotes, keep waiting. I think there is a direct quote from Rooney that the new training is helping him. This added to 'sources' and RvP being back in injury table...you make your own conclusions.
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I'm not waiting for any direct, I just don't wanna jump into conclusions based on absolutely nothing. You make your own conclusions rather quickly, a new training regime + RVP being injured (a player who's always had injury pbs in his career) = RVP unhappy with Moyes ? That's some stellar deductive reasoning you got going there. Why not make the same conclusions about Carrick either ? A player who was fit last season and now injured under Moyes.
My point is that since we don't know that much about what's going on behind the scenes, let's not make conclusions.
 
kouroux said:
My point is that since we don't know that much about what's going on behind the scenes, let's not make conclusions.
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Agreed with your point. New training introduced, RvP injured and suddenly 'sources' claim RvP is unhappy and then comes the transfer rumours. I say it is probable cause, but as with most footy news, impossible to conclude without being ITK.
 
Getsme said:
He has always had bad luck with injuries, maybe we were lucky last season that he was virtually injury free the entire season. It's not often that happens to any player let alone RVP.
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Luck is only part of it. He's been regularly fit for two and a half years, though, for us and Arsenal. It's some record - and especially after everything that's happened previously.

I've no idea what's going on but the talk about RVP not being happy with the way we train has been persistent. We can bury our heads in the sand but those kind of things to tend have a leg to stand on.
 
Amir said:
Luck is only part of it. He's been regularly fit for two and a half years, though, for us and Arsenal. It's some record - and especially after everything that's happened previously.

I've no idea what's going on but the talk about RVP not being happy with the way we train has been persistent. We can bury our heads in the sand but those kind of things to tend have a leg to stand on.
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I'm not saying it's not the case, it may well be. All I'm saying is there is no actual proof, only hearsay.
He's come out recently to say that he is enjoying his partnership with Rooney, he's also denied that's he's not enjoying training with Moyes, albeit back in September.
I think we may be reading to much into it if I'm Honest.
 
Press conference at 2pm today. Reading that Wayne won't make tomorrow which is a bit worrying.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Very lucky to have him, nice vid moneymay.
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Thanks.

dmode said:
You mean they use video content analysis to check for copyrighted stuffs? How on earth do they do that?
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I'm sure they have clips from the FA. My channel was fine before the new copyright law was introduced. From January, it could take a few hours/days for my videos to process. This is happening because of idiots posting full movies/albums. Things like gaming reviews have been taken down or going to/have face/faced content ID claims, meaning that a third-party makes money off your video, rather than yourself. What YouTube don't realise is that gaming reviews help A LOT of companies. It will be interesting to see how long this lasts for.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
People were questioning Fergie's methods in training. It was said that under Fergie the players would train full blooded in practice games and so on, there were also questions as to the quality of our medical staff. I think that there was a whole thread dedicated to it on here.

We will never know if there is fault at the hands of Moyes or Ferguson regarding the plethora of injuries that the players suffer, we will simply never have access to the relevant information. I guess the only way that we could possibly know is if a new manager came in and significantly reduced the numbers of injuries in a short space of time.
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I'm calling bollocks. Specifically, when Hargreaves insinuated our medical staff fecked up with regards to his tendinitis, the entire Caf told him to feck off.

I've never seen criticism for Ferguson's methods in training on the Caf. We've had mini crises in our defense every season going back to 2007. Why is it an issue now?
 
Eirik Raude said:
All the injuries is food for the critics who says Moyes are driving his players too hard in training. And if this continues for an extended period of time, I'll start believing there's something in it. RVP was fit the entire last season, and now his injuries are back.
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It's not like we had injuries stacking up one after the other the past seasons? Remember when we barely could field a midfield and defence? Was Moyes responsible back then too?
 
Skywarden said:
It's not like we had injuries stacking up one after the other the past seasons? Remember when we barely could field a midfield and defence? Was Moyes responsible back then too?
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Rubbish, we never had injuries before Moyes, he's brought them with him from Everton.
 
Absolute Fruit Cake said:
Great video! Just shows how much Rooney contributes in the middle in addition to his goals.
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The only thing that annoys me is that Moyes can use him in a much better role. Let him drop deep even more and let him dictate play, thus we forget we even have midfield deficiencies. Credit to Fergie for moving him as a second striker, really.
 
Sir A1ex said:
What, all ths shiny halo-effect stuff?

How does that work then... is it enough to confuse video recognition bots, or does it mean that you can classify it as your own work?
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I tried the basic soft contrast effect, in three of my last videos. One got taken down: Valencia vs. Aston Villa.

A friend of mine said that the effect I added to the Rooney video means YouTube can't really determine where the clips have come from. I don't know really, we'll see how it goes. I think my Januzaj video might get taken down as well. I hope not.
 
MoneyMay said:
I tried the basic soft contrast effect, in three of my last videos. One got taken down: Valencia vs. Aston Villa.

A friend of mine said that the effect I added to the Rooney video means YouTube can't really determine where the clips have come from. I don't know really, we'll see how it goes. I think my Januzaj video might get taken down as well. I hope not.
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Interestgn stuff. I wonder what else would throw them off teh scent... eg flipping horizontally potentially makes a very different file, unless they specifically looked for that in their checks.
 
Skywarden said:
It's not like we had injuries stacking up one after the other the past seasons? Remember when we barely could field a midfield and defence? Was Moyes responsible back then too?
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I don't know who was to blame back then. A lot of people where criticising our medical staff at the time. I'm not blaming Moyes for anything, all I said is that last season were pretty good injury wise, and a player like RVP, who has a history with injuries, went the entire season without injuries at all. Now his injuries are back, and others are struggling as well. And a lot of people has been criticising Moyes for his style of training, one of them is Raymond Verheijen.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...Manchester-United-says-Raymond-Verheijen.html
 
MoneyMay said:
I tried the basic soft contrast effect, in three of my last videos. One got taken down: Valencia vs. Aston Villa.

A friend of mine said that the effect I added to the Rooney video means YouTube can't really determine where the clips have come from. I don't know really, we'll see how it goes. I think my Januzaj video might get taken down as well. I hope not.
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why not use vimeo then or are there similar problems there?
 
Mel_F said:
18?!
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Yep 18: 10 goals and 18 assists. Don't use WhoScored, which doesn't include COC assists. I use transfermarkt, which uses a different system. The site counts the Bayer Leverkusen own goal as an assist for Rooney (and rightly so). It also counts the Evans goal against Bayer Leverkusen as a Rooney assist. Better system.
 
He definitely doesn't have 18 assists, that's ridiculous
 
We look far better as a team when he's dropping deeper, the obvious question is will he be prepared to do that more often?
 
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