Which is what, more than he's on now or less?
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Which is what, more than he's on now or less?
That is for Club to decide, but at least what is currently on would be fair.
I wouldn't mind giving him a run of games in midfield if Cleverley and Fellaini continue the sort of form they're in. Would free up an extra attacker's slot for Hernandez/Januzaj as well.
I'm not so sure about that, but it all depends on how this season goes.
We don't have any great centre mids besides Carrick, that's true, but I don't think Rooney's a great centre mid either. Takes too many risks, his occasional sloppy touch is much more dangerous from that deeper position and I think it just makes him more complacent in general. I'm still hoping Fellaini will be better.
If we are paying him 250k a week to play him in midfield, wouldn't it be better to put that outlay towards an actual midfielder? Rooney may well settle into a deeper position, but I don't think he will ever be one of the best in the world in that position for us to justify paying that money over a four or five year contract.
I understand your points but as you say we have limited options in midfield we have an abundance up top , Fellini ain't gonna get better if any team signs someone for the best part of 27 million you expect an impact I'm sorry he plays like feckin bebe
As I said at the moment , I don't care what we pay him , the transfer window is closed we have to make do
Yes sir crack pipe down . I had a mate called adzzz ? But he got arrested for bumming dogs ?
Yeah, we have to make do as of now, but I was thinking a bit longer term.
He will only ask to leave again.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...being-ready-to-quit-old-trafford-8869949.html
Yeah I totally agree , long term we need better, I was stating what I thought at this moment in time is better for united , if we play Rooney in midfield with Rvp and Hernandez up front we have a better chance of success ( until we have chance to sign a quality midfielder)
Two seasons before (and even in last season) there were so many opposition to playing Rooney in midfield. Most here were on about how he must be in the box and so. Now every Tom, Dick and Harry want to put him in the middle!
I agree. Just how far Rooney's co** is up Moyes' arse at this point is beyond me. Imo, Moyes is just about letting Rooney become greater than the club, trying just about everything to keep him here. Making Rooney our captain after what transpired over the last year is nothing but scandalous.
I'll vote for him to be captain! He deserves it more than anyone else in the team. Who do you want to give it to, Carrick?
Had we sold Rooney, who would you all be clamouring to be mvoed to midfield? Rather than selling him and trying out someone new, it is much much better to get his spirit back.
Couldn't disagree more!
integrity: Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code. (tfd.com)
Without integrity, a great club like United falls into the same pit of Manchester City and Real Madrid. Ferguson was brilliant at keeping the integrity at the club and not letting players' egoes hurt the club. Moyes has fallen right into that trap, and suggesting that you think he should be captain considering history, you are approving of his behaviour. I have absolutely no faith in Rooney anymore and wish he would be sold asap. I don't cheer when he scores and I think he's a downright twat. I'm happy for his current contributions; he is playing quite well and driving the team forwards. I'd give the captaincy to Rafael, DDG, Carrick, pretty much anyone who puts the team ahead of his own ego.
I couldn't give a tosser about his spirit back. I would rather play Ando or Fellaini (who should have started against a physically strong side like Stoke) in midfield. It seems that Rooney polarises United supporters, but I really cannot understand people forgiving him this easy after a couple of decent matches. Can you understand Liverpool supporters forgiving Suarez? The principle is the same, it's just that Suarez acted an even bigger cnut.
Get of your high horse.
Moyes has kept one of our best players at the club for at least one more season and is getting the best out of him. As far as I am concerned that's good management and benefits the club.
I agree he is a cnut but he's not the only one we've had. If you're still bitter that he wanted to leave the club then, well then there's not much to be said for you. As for not cheering when he scores a goal...wtf?
Moyes has kept one of our best players at the club for at least one more season and is getting the best out of him. As far as I am concerned that's good management and benefits the club.
I agree he is a cnut but he's not the only one we've had. If you're still bitter that he wanted to leave the club then, well then there's not much to be said for you. As for not cheering when he scores a goal...wtf?
How did you come to that conclusion?
Beating the moral drums a bit much. I don't understand why a player who wants to leave needs to be vilified. It's not as if every player we sign are obliged to live out their lives here. Players like Giggs are exception (minority % globally) and not the rule. I did post before, George Best made the same comments as Rooney, but no one remembers that. If Rooney can help us to more premier league titles, and breaks the record, future will only remember the success and not a couple of interviews. If he does that Moyes will get credit for retaining him. I am willing to overllok the comments. Actions speak better than words, imho.
Carrick comes closest, but he is not a captain material...by a couple of long miles. Longevity along does not make a captain. Captaincy to Rafael or DDG? You must be stoned. Who know they would stay here for next 5 years? Ridiculous choices.
10 years and 200 goals deserves that conclusion.
I think you need more than just a load of goals and experience to become the captain of Man United, that's just my opinion.
I reckon DDG and Rafael will be around longer than Rooney.
Maybe. But of the current team excepting Evra/Vidic/Giggs, no other player can make a better claim. Carrick can be considered, but Wayne trumps him.
Personally, I think Jonny Evans would be a great shout...
Indeed, and his actions are pathetic. He cannot say that he wants to stay - he's happy playing football, nowhere does he state that he's happy at United. Making a player like that captain is and always will be stupid. To let people get away with whatever just because they are good is poor moral standards. I'm not arguing everyone needs to stay at a club for all time, but there are ways to do things.
So when it comes to Rafael and DDG, longevity matters, but when it comes to Rooney, it hardly matters at all? What a silly argument.
Why? Was RVN a typical captain because he scored goals? Not even Messi or Ronaldo are captains. That is a silly argument. "Longevity alone does not make a captain" you say and goals should have nothing to do with it. Captaincy should be given, as you say, to people who are captain material. Complaining to the media on more than one occasion and acting like a petulant brat, does not make a captain.
Why should moral standards evaporate from football like they are doing these days, especially with players paid what they are?
He's been our best player this season and that's all that matters.
Like many others I did suspect him having stinker on the field since United wouldn't letting him go, but he proved many people wrong by giving his absolute best so far for the club.
After long time we can see him having a run at the players, trying to dribble past players and really think that Sir Alex retirement is blessing in disguise for him since those two clearly didn't have best of relationships.
Don't care what's he doing outside the pitch, pitch is only place that matters in football and he's been really great this season, so all this talk about him during summer as pub player and don't know what was clearly shadowed judging from the supporters who couldn't wait to jump on his back eventhough none of us don't really know what's going behind closed doors.
Glad to see Rooney playing on the level he's capable of, it's great for the United and him as well so don't see why he wouldn't be given new contract and hope he signs one soon.
Like many others I did suspect him having stinker on the field since United wouldn't letting him go, but he proved many people wrong by giving his absolute best so far for the club.
After long time we can see him having a run at the players, trying to dribble past players and really think that Sir Alex retirement is blessing in disguise for him since those two clearly didn't have best of relationships.
Don't care what's he doing outside the pitch, pitch is only place that matters in football and he's been really great this season, so all this talk about him during summer as pub player and don't know what was clearly shadowed judging from the supporters who couldn't wait to jump on his back eventhough none of us don't really know what's going behind closed doors.
Glad to see Rooney playing on the level he's capable of, it's great for the United and him as well so don't see why he wouldn't be given new contract and hope he signs one soon.
lol. On What basis? You mean for more number of years than Rooney? 10+ years?
Also, don't tell me you had predicted these Rooney saga prior to 2010 when he often used to talk about signing 'contract for life' here. At that time nobody would have predicted it. Similarly, DDG can have head turned anyday by European clubs. Maybe not in next couple of years but can happen. You never know. I don't understand the point of making such random predictions.
So, for people, generally in life, it is OK to look for employment elsewhere if they are not happy with their workplace/job nature etc. No loyalty etc is even thought of. But if a football player wants to do that he is a traitor, greedy fecker etc etc. Don't tell me, just because he earns 250k per week he is slave to your wishes. He earns that much because of supply-demand. The millions of fans globally for this game means football players get paid so much. It doesn't mean they will have to compromise on what they want at workplace or what makes them happy. Just like when an organization sees an employee as very important and offers salary hike or some other incentives to retain, if United does same for Rooney, I don't understand why it becomes ego issue for some of you.
"He deserves captaincy more than anyone else"
Fruit cake decided to rule out two young players and questioned where they will be in five years times. I reckon the two players he mentioned will still be around in 2018 but I can't say the same about Rooney.
He needs to focus on establishing himself in the first team, before thinking of the captaincy.
Agree with this. The main point for me in regards to captaincy is that the person should be a guaranteed fixture in the side not what position they play in.
I was talking about his actions on the pitch. I never claimed Rooney would have been a perfect choice, but with our current options, he is the best choice.
Evoporating moral standards? You are claiming something that never existed in the first place. One club players are rare and why should a player not ask to leave? Is it that serious a crime? Rooney was quite passionate till 2010 and then became disillusioned. Why can't he change his mind again? Even if he does leave us (except to BPL rivals), I will still have good memories of him, same as Ronaldo.
"He deserves captaincy more than anyone else"
Tell me about it.
I'm as big a fan as he's got, but I don't think he'll ever be a good choice for captain. It's rarely a good idea to make the guy running your creative play the captain. In my own experience the main footballing contribution of a good captain is to keep everyone alert and doing what they should be defensively. Rooney can't be worrying about that sort of thing, and he won't be seeing enough of the pitch to do it effectively.
Plus he's not got the personality type. He's a leader in terms of our football, but not the right sort to be a captain. Keep it in CB, imo. Vidic for as long as he's playing a decent number of matches, Jones eventually, and Evans in between if necessary.
Plus he's not got the personality type. He's a leader in terms of our football, but not the right sort to be a captain. Keep it in CB, imo. Vidic for as long as he's playing a decent number of matches, Jones eventually, and Evans in between if necessary.
I don't think Jones looks captain material at all. It's always Evans that is managing the others when he's in there - he'd probably be my choice.
I'd like to see Evans captain the side one day as well. Rooney? Never.
Cantona, huh?
There is no box for a captain, some are inspirational= Keane, Puyol and Terry some are quality defenders= Maldini, Vidic some are just the teams best player= Zidane, Maradona, Cruyff or even most experienced= Giggs, Xavi, Casillas, Buffon. Some are a combination of these things. Rooney sets an example on the pitch, if is wasn't for his off the field antics he would be a decent shout, his form is a bit on-offish also to be captain who I feel should be an example to others. Jones is still raw but the way he plays with his heart on his sleeve in a couple of seasons when he is a more polished player he would be a great choice. Evans wouldn't be bad at all, he grew up here, he is for the most part consistent and he seems a model pro.
Get of your high horse.
Moyes has kept one of our best players at the club for at least one more season and is getting the best out of him. As far as I am concerned that's good management and benefits the club.
I agree he is a cnut but he's not the only one we've had. If you're still bitter that he wanted to leave the club then, well then there's not much to be said for you. As for not cheering when he scores a goal...wtf?
Getting the best of him? I've seen better Rooneys than this
Rooney should be captain. He is the most passionate player out there for us.
Don't know about captaincy but he's one of the few who looks like he gives a damn.
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