Should've been sold. A cancer in our dressing room.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Rooney is supposed to be the creativity in the team but he just doesn't bring that at all anymore. He's playing as an attacking midfielder but doesn't do any of the things most attacking midfielders do well. I've been saying it for a while but Rooney needs to be played up top and allow other players to create. Unfortunately with RvP here that will never happen and we'll be stuck with no creativity until our wingers get in form or we sign a Fabregas type in center mid.
I'm not trying to say he doesn't have good games or that he hasn't played well at times this season, I just really don't think he does enough as a creative outlet anymore. He would be much more useful up top on his own.
The man is a muppet.
According to most people in this thread, it's precisely the fact that we're playing him right up front (with RVP) that is the problem, and if he would just be prepared to play deeper as an attacking midfielder we'd get the best out of him.
With Rooney it is always polemic.
Did SAF really write that?
If that was true then he would have been sold.
It wasn't up to Ferguson. If Moyes had made a talismanic signing (like Ozil, who actually wanted to come here) Rooney would've been sold.
I don't think those opinions are necessarily mutually exclusive.
He can play as a No 9 but only without the added complication of RVP or Hernandez being present in the team. If they are starting then he should be doing his duty by the team as a whole and brining those qualities required of a No 10 or forward from the wing.
If Rooney cannot be accommodated in the former and us highly unwilling to do the latter, then it sounds like a waste and ultimately detrimental for all concerned.
If supporters expect him to be a creative and supportive force in the centre of the pitch yet Rooney is falling short in the same, it is quite understandable for those people to question the status in which is being viewed by some others on here. Part of the reason for this exaggerated reaction is likely a mixture of the team's general state, and improved work rate early on in 13/14 which had been lacking in performances last season.
Of course it was. Not since the Summer, obviously, but if he was a "cancer" do you really think that was only the case since the end of last season?
Did SAF really write that?
It's on ITV's website.
Rooney has become everything Ferguson said of Keane, Beckham & Van Nistelrooy. He thinks he's bigger than the club, or undroppable.
He'd play as No.9 for Madrid and Bayern no doubt. Barca is a different situation
So, people still think he never put a transfer request?
Fergie's book:
Never really doubted it. Fergie had no reason to lie about that.
'Course he didn't outright lie about it. Rooney has said himself now that he wanted out, hasn't he? What he was supposedly angered (and probably confused, you'd think) about this summer, was the idea that he had handed in a transfer request. There's a difference between saying you want out and handing in a transfer request. If the latter is what Fergie writes in his book I stand corrected - but I haven't seen that: "The boy wanted to leave," is the only quote I've seen so far.
It was only ever Rooney's people who kept offering a rebuttal to an official transfer request.
Bearing in mind the possible financial penalties and scant interest from Europe's elite, there was always going to be some reluctance in submitting a written transfer request. This isn't to say that he didn't want to leave or hadn't intimated such.
How many other players have been asked to learn like 5 new positions throughout their peak years....what an odd criticism to put out there.
Agreed - sure. And he has admitted as much himself by now, hasn't he? My point is that as long as a formal request and an informal one ain't one and the same thing, both Fergie and Rooney can be right in a sense. Yes, he threatened to leave - no, he didn't formally request a move.
I hope we sell him in the summer.
"He came into my office the day after we won the league and asked away. He wasn't happy with being left out for some games and subbed in others. His agent Paul Stretford phoned David Gill with the same message."
Even his agent phoned David Gill, what else did you expect him to do, to tatoo "I want to go" on his face?
^ That snipped about the phone call is something new, at least to me.
Such direct contact would only have come following prior consultation with the player. So it wasn't some misunderstanding or argument which simply got of hand, for if that were so the agent wouldn't be pressing the matter further after the fact.
Such direct contact would only have come following prior consultation with the player. So it wasn't some misunderstanding or argument which simply got of hand, for if that were so the agent wouldn't be pressing the matter further after the fact.
Doing that one day after winning the title is crazy to me, Rooney is fecked up really.
I like the idea he went to Ferguson to demand to know why we hadn't signed Ozil. He could easily be posting on this forum if he could operate the keyboard
Rooney should be the manager, he clearly knows what's missing from our team although he doesn't take into account the Glazers penny pinching.
Ooooh what's the dressing room atmosphere like? Who do you sit next to usually? Is Evra a joker before game time?
How the feck do you know this?
When the transfer saga was in full flight off during the summer, we were all saying he would have to redeem himself to regain some trust from the fans this season. To me it seemed like he wanted to prove a point in his first few matches, but he's now fallen back into his comfort zone. He's not putting less physical effort in, but then he rarely does. I don't know if it's his concentration or something, but when he's not really with it his touch goes to shit, which is what's happening again now.
I don't think that handful of matches where he looked our best player is going to be enough to regain that trust, and I'm pretty sure he knows that. He probably won't react to Fergie's criticisms like he did to Moyes' clumsy statements before the season, as the transfer window isn't open, but I still don't think he's really buying into the project at the moment. To be fair, he's probably not the only one who's looked less than bothered so far this season, but he's the only one who asked for a transfer just before that.
I don't think that handful of matches where he looked our best player is going to be enough to regain that trust, and I'm pretty sure he knows that. He probably won't react to Fergie's criticisms like he did to Moyes' clumsy statements before the season, as the transfer window isn't open, but I still don't think he's really buying into the project at the moment. To be fair, he's probably not the only one who's looked less than bothered so far this season, but he's the only one who asked for a transfer just before that.
How many matches has he been great in this season? The Bayer Leverkusen fixture is his best this season. Other than that, I would have Carrick ahead of him based on consistency.
It's from his book which is why we have only found out about it today. Doesn't matter if Rooney request was verbal or written, when your agent starts calling up David Gill you know he's looking for a new club.
I basically thought he was good up until that Leverkusen match, where he was great. But that's not that many matches, which is partly what I was getting at above. But yeah, against Chelsea and Palace I thought he looked more focused; I didn't watch the match at Anfield so I can't really say anything.
Yeah, I don't think he's been great at all. Bayer Leverkusen was, by far, his best match. He played in his favoured role and was immense. His touch, passing, and shooting were all on point. Against Liverpool in the Capital One Cup, he was also good - he set up the winning goal, but I didn't think he was as good. I actually watched the Chelsea game again and thought his passing was average. Most players on the pitch were off fitness. And against Crystal Palace, he was decent - it's certainly one of his better games this season.
I agree that Leverkusen is his only great performance so far this season. I do think there's a contrast between those first three (I think) starts, including Leverkusen, and the four PL matches since then. Basically, he's been poor in four straight league starts, i.e. more bad than good.
Astonishing arrogance many Manchester United fans have. Yes, let us allow world class players to leave on a whim, we need not worry, Manchester United have a divine right to success each season. The quality of the players on the pitch have no bearing, Manchester United are assured success simply because of reputation. I do not like Rooney, I think Rooney is bad, Rooney upsets me, I like when players worship the club they play for like children, and play with a smile on their face. Rooney does not do this. He is ugly and I do not like him. I believe Kagawa to be a better option despite no evidence to suggest this. I have no respect for what Rooney has achieved at the club, and his productivity each season does not concern me. I want him gone because Manchester United are so good that we can pick and choose who plays for the club. We are so good, every player must dream to play here and kiss the badge.
Should Rooney leave, I certainly look forward to seeing Marouane Fellaini play behind the striker next season. We are in for a treat. Exhilarating situation.
I've just seen this.
You want to replace Rooney with "someone"? Yes that's definitely what we should do.
Sir Alex Ferguson thinks Rooney is a different player this season and wouldn't have been dropped or played deeper last season in the first place if he had performed well enough...but understood his point of view in wanting to leave in order to not play in midfield.
Sir Alex Ferguson is an abomination...or alternatively, you're a spanner.
Yeah, I hope so too.
You are so very strange.
I don't think replacing Rooney is as simple as some of you seem to think.
Last season's Rooney maybe, but on this season's form and based on our fumbling around in the transfer market this summer, the most likely scenario if he left is we'd end up with either someone worse, or no one.
I've criticised him often enough and there's been too many unprofessional episodes for me, but he's done nothing wrong this season. People have just decided he's the cause of and to be blamed for our midfield problems for some reason...when you think about it sensibly, it's slightly ridiculous.
Last season's Rooney maybe, but on this season's form and based on our fumbling around in the transfer market this summer, the most likely scenario if he left is we'd end up with either someone worse, or no one.
I've criticised him often enough and there's been too many unprofessional episodes for me, but he's done nothing wrong this season. People have just decided he's the cause of and to be blamed for our midfield problems for some reason...when you think about it sensibly, it's slightly ridiculous.
Red cafe has the most Rooney haters anywhere.
Both LR7 and MoneyMay have gone into some depth in explaining the problems we are facing at present, have you not seen their posts?
Yes, they are nonsense. They consist of valid criticism of our tactics, randomly linked to their unshakable belief that Rooney gets to chose the tactics.
Nonsense. They never said Rooney "gets go choose the tactics".
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