Why bother tweeting about it at all? If he didn't like it he didn't have to say anything about the game at all.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Not caring and discussing it are two different things. I'd argue all day about what is in space because it's actually interesting despite not having a clue if anything can even exist on other planets.
Rooney's future and career AFTER the window has shut?... I don't really see the point. He's playing here and really should have (imo) let the whole thing just rest and never returned to it but since he's opened up another can of worms for everyone to get their undies in a bunch over then there is.. That.
Im out. Roll on Southampton on the 20th
You're in this thread a lot for somebody who doesn't see the point in discussing his future. I'm retracting that medal I was going to award you.
I've only just realised that was from the early part of the season when he was still playing in the hole, just with an extra striker. He probably was enjoying that. Didn't he say something nice about his first game in a midfield two towards the end when there was a lot of talk about it being a "controversial" move and a lot of talk about whether it was the right thing for Rooney? It'd make sense to allay those fears and play down any talk of a rift following that Madrid game by making a statement about how he was enjoying his football (when he blatantly wasn't despite all the excitement about Rooney playing so well in midfield).
He was also shifted to the wing a few times. I remember Aston Villa (A), Reading (A), Real Madrid (A), and I think Everton (H). I think Fergie trusted him more than he should have.
Ive no idea what you are talking about re: Cantona - he never did anything remotely as crap as Rooney has done to the club.
Rooney is not a child, he has to take responsibility for his 'team'. But anyway now you seem to say it is all about contract renewal, whereas before you talk about how it is perfectly acceptable for players to seek new challenges - BIG difference!
Cantona didn't want to leave England and play for Inter following his ban? Or he did and just never mentioned it in the media (and instead let his advisors do the talking)?
I'm not saying it's all about contract renewal, I'm saying he wanted to leave but we wouldn't let him (much like Cantona, I imagine) so the next best thing is naturally to get a contract renewal (and then still try to leave, probably).
There is no similarity whatsoever between the Cantona situation back then and Rooney now, so I have no idea why you are even making the comparison. There was never any issue amongst our fanbase about how Cantona dealt with things, that is why he is a club legend amongst the fans and Rooney never will be.
And part of that is down to the media being much more influential and embedded in the football culture. If there was non-stop reporting of Cantona's proposed move to Inter then his silence on the matter (while his representatives spoke to the media about his displeasure and met with other clubs) might have been more offensive. And then it would've been dissected over and over and over again. And then his drop in form in his last season might have raised questions about his commitment to the club before he went on to quit altogether.
I'm not saying Rooney should hold a special place in your heart like Cantona, I'm just saying much of the issues with Rooney have been there even with the most adored players. It's just the 24-hour sports reporting and discussion that follows make it much a bigger issue.
I'm not saying Rooney should hold a special place in your heart like Cantona, I'm just saying much of the issues with Rooney have been there even with the most adored players. It's just the 24-hour sports reporting and discussion that follows make it much a bigger issue.
You're always making excuses for Rooney.
He's so misunderstood, just an honest player who's simply been the victim of the evil Stretford and the media.
I'm not making excuses for Rooney, I'm making the fairly obvious point that what he's done has been done plenty of times before by many past heroes'. I think Rooney's a greedy, egotistical idiot. At no point have I said he's a victim or misunderstood. I have no reason to make excuses for him. It just so happens that I think most of the criticisms of Rooney are silly and irrational and completely out of proportion and I'm explaining that point of view.
Well, you're saying Rooney doesn't say anything, it's his agent/team. You also say this is comparable to Cantona but Rooney gets the abuse because the media are probing into it more. Sounds like excuses to me.
So are you saying Brwned is wrong?
The point about the media is a general point and I find it hard to believe someone would argue against it. As for Rooney not saying the stuff himself...surely you agree it was his agents who had the contacts and knew the right things to say? We've seen Rooney speak and type, he's just not someone who can pull that off himself. He's the greedy idiot who chose Stretford so it's ultimately his fault though.
Is it not comparable to Cantona on some levels? One month Amorfini is saying "I believe he is going to have to leave the country.", the next he's saying ""We are waiting for a new written proposal to extend Cantona's contract with Manchester United until 1998. If the proposal corresponds to what we have negotiated orally, things could move very quickly. If not, it could take longer.". In amongst those two periods you have the "We've always said that we want Éric to stay, but we want players who want to stay with us", yet there's outrage when the idea that Rooney might be offered a new contract after all this nonsense. It seems fairly obvious that the increased volume of reports amplified the issue.
Is it not comparable to Cantona on some levels? One month Amorfini is saying "I believe he is going to have to leave the country.", the next he's saying ""We are waiting for a new written proposal to extend Cantona's contract with Manchester United until 1998. If the proposal corresponds to what we have negotiated orally, things could move very quickly. If not, it could take longer.". In amongst those two periods you have the "We've always said that we want Éric to stay, but we want players who want to stay with us", yet there's outrage when the idea that Rooney might be offered a new contract after all this nonsense. It seems fairly obvious that the increased volume of reports amplified the issue.
Tolerated? Are you suggesting we should ban people whose opinions we disagree with?
I very rarely agree with noodle on anything football related but he constructs an argument and is happy to stand up and discuss it at length, what exactly is it you think a forum is for?
Rather than thinly veiled calls for him to be banned, why don't you try discussing the topic with him rationally and try to understand his opinion whilst putting forth your own?
Should have sold the whining maggot overseas (a pity no one abroad came in for him). Weak excuse.
Well, he's our player so we should support get on supporting him I guess.
Well, he's our player so we should support get on supporting him I guess.
Well, our fanbase didn't have a dozen takes on the story to ponder and debate endlessly over - the media coverage was immense at first, but the want-away story was nowhere near as big. And people didn't go mental all over the Internet - which is a huge difference. If it had happened today I can all but guarantee our fanbase would've been far more divided over the issue.
Cantona was a very different character, be it said. Rooney has little going for him besides his football - and even that has come under scrutiny in later years. He wasn't the most popular of players before this saga. Part of the animosity towards him is understandable in that light. But I fully agree with Brwned: The reactions are largely irrational. To me it seems too many have made this personal. They seem to drag some kind of moral principle into this - which is fine in itself, but would condemn ninety percent of all modern footballers out there if applied justly.
Anyway - he's here for another season at the very least. Time to move on, I reckon.
First he wanted more money, then it was that he was worried about the direction the club were going, then he got his money and suddenly all his concerns had disappeared. And now its all because he was played out of position for a few games.
The guy just plays us fans like a violin, just to suit his own agenda.
The guy just plays us fans like a violin, just to suit his own agenda.
I've believed for a while now that we will evolve into a better team if we get rid of Rooney and bring in the right replacement. Our whole set-up in tactics is completely limited because we have Rooney to fit in, who happens to a) be limited in where he can play and b) can only play in a position which he doesn't really have the skill-set for.
If, for example, someone like Januzaj can progress and fulfil his potential, then we have a replacement right there that would allow us to set up in different ways. There have been quite a few players over recent years that could have helped us achieve this but, unfortunately, they have all moved on. Perhaps Januzaj is the player we have earmarked for this role and that is why we have kept Rooney for another season at least? Time will tell.
Yeah - but whether you end up the violin or not is largely up to you. You can't be played if you simply regard him as a footballer who is there to be watched on the pitch.
I don't see how Rooney and Cantona are even remotely similar, which makes me wonder why you're constantly peddling the comparison.
Rooneys a grown up and has to take full responsibility for everything which comes oh of his camp, as it's him who ultimately calls the shots. Rooney and his camp have also used the media as well as anybody to get what they want, so there's no sympathy for him being under increased scrutiny.
I've been making this point for a while. I agree completely.
That we'd be a better team without one of the best forwards in the world?
Ok.
Ok.
And no-one mentioned getting rid of him, you could move him up front. The question was would we be a better team with a conventional number 10 playing in that role instead of Rooney.
Same.
Just out of curiosity, I've been reading some of the posts on here from the 05/06 season today about Rooney. "Already better than Cantona", "the next Edwards", etc...
Amazing the shift in tone and levels of excitement that happened during the following season. He came back from that world cup a very different player.
Amazing the shift in tone and levels of excitement that happened during the following season. He came back from that world cup a very different player.
Surely you can see the difference between RvN and Rooney as players and what they bring to the team?
Does anyone else think that Rooney will hand in a written request to leave in the summer with one yr remaining on his current contract? He seems content with his form and position in the team but maybe it's all about making sure that his potential new employers are still interested come next summer.There is little or no news regarding an extension with us and if he does hand in a request will United be prepared? Or have we already prepared for his leaving?
If Fergie and Gill were still in charge I'd be confident we are ready as I don't think he'll sign an extension, but under the new regime I'm less certain. My feeling is that Rooney is playing well because he's a professional, it's the World Cup next year, and he wants to put himself in the shop window for next summer, so Moyes will reap the benefits while he can.
My belief/hope is that we will have learned from the debacle that was our summer and put in place a structure that will allow our club to function as it did before Gill and Ferguson left.Rooney has to be a priority case and they must have some idea of what his future plans are, or at least you'd hope so and maybe he was made to stay to allow us the time to bring in a replacement or experiment with the players already at the club.If he is to be sold will we still get a good price for him? If he has a great season then there will be other clubs competing with Chelsea to drive the price up!
Not really.
Cantona had been banned for several months and, rightly or wrongly, was pissed off with the FA so it is hardly suprising that he might think about his options for the future and potentially leaving England - Rooney meanwhile is just a moaning twat plus he didnt want to go abroad for a new challenge or anything like that, he wanted to go one of our main domestic rivals.
You do have a point about there being more media coverage nowadays, but I think it is largely irrelevant to this situation so I have no idea why you persist with such a pointless comparison. There are others who you might compare to e.g. Rio.
You and Brwned seem to ignore the fact that it is Rooney himself who is creating a lot of the media coverage with his 'team' (for whom he is directly responsible) constantly feeding moaning stories to whoever might listen.
Plus this is not the first time Rooney has created a whole transfer circus either, not to mention a whole catalogue of other poor behaviour which on its own I wouldnt be too arsed about but it all adds up and after a while you start to wonder if he is worth the bother.
And I wouldnt be too sure that he is definitely here for the whole season, if he doesnt sign a new contract soon then will the club risk allowing him to go to 1 year on his contract? I personally wouldnt.
how brightonian feels now. Wasn't it Fergie who started the whole transfer saga with is interview claiming Rooney has asked to leave? Any why is it so material that he asked to leave. Are players sold to clubs for eternity? Would just a baseless 'camp rumour' a justification to erase his history with us? Some here blow the moral trumpet a bit too hard. Absurd. Players like Giggs are the exception and not the norm. Rooney has not done anything a similar player in that situation would not have done. I don't see the need for the childish vilification.
9 years and 200 goals says why it's worth the bother. The start to this season says why it is worth the bother.
Fergie responded the news out when questioned about it, after weeks and weeks of 'Rooney unhappy' rumours which were mysteriously floating around the media. Shocking, I know.
Exactly. These are the only things that actually matter. The start of this season shows how massively important he still is to us.
Thats what happens when you worry more about profit than actual world class players playing for Utd it was suit the Glazers to get him off the wage bill and make a transfer fee thats for sure, so no doubt you'd be very happy with that.
So not the concerns surrounding his dedication to fitness particularly in the earlier half of the season during SAF's final year at the club? The relative drop-off in quality upon the arrival of the standard of player he claimed to want back in 2010? The later reluctance to any longer do a job for the team in specific matches for fear that it might impinge on his goal tally?
Finally and most topically, if in Fergie's eyes RVP was to be the No 9 in the medium-long term does Rooney adequately fulfil the requirements of a No 10 in relation to the needs of the team? Recent debates on the Caf would suggest that this is a mater open to debate.
It used to be often said that Sir Alex's ruthlessness when it came to calling time on a player's career at United was one of his commendable traits, and there were undeniably grounds for him to be contemplating such for Wayne IMO. Seeing as some of these causes continue to exist despite his improved efforts at the beginning of 2013/14, the decision remains for the OT hierarchy.
Stop talking shite - Im sure the club would rather he signed a new contract and focused on his football rather than moaning to the press every fecking week
but if Rooney is not willing to commit to the club then he must be sold, that is just common sense
The Cantona comparison does seem a stretch to me. They are very different personalities in very different situations.
But ultimately I agree that people are taking the whole Rooney thing way too personally, it isnt rational.
I dont think he will sign a contract extension personally, so he will probably leave in the summer. C'est la vie. He is a great player but we will survive. A post from late last week has been playing on my mind over the weekend:
Although he can personally do very well when given license to roam, it may not be for the best of the team. But in modern football two dedicated centre forwards is an extravagance and the arrival of RVP means we are not using Rooney in the optimum way anymore. Maybe this explains why SAF wanted rid, (if he didnt why would he have gone public, making any resolution infinitely more complicated?)
The thing is, SAF isnt here any more. If Rooney had left and SAF was still in charge Id be confident the team would evolve in his absence and probably end up stronger for it, as usually happened in such situations. In the post-SAF era though I dont take anything for granted.
But ultimately I agree that people are taking the whole Rooney thing way too personally, it isnt rational.
I dont think he will sign a contract extension personally, so he will probably leave in the summer. C'est la vie. He is a great player but we will survive. A post from late last week has been playing on my mind over the weekend:
Although he can personally do very well when given license to roam, it may not be for the best of the team. But in modern football two dedicated centre forwards is an extravagance and the arrival of RVP means we are not using Rooney in the optimum way anymore. Maybe this explains why SAF wanted rid, (if he didnt why would he have gone public, making any resolution infinitely more complicated?)
The thing is, SAF isnt here any more. If Rooney had left and SAF was still in charge Id be confident the team would evolve in his absence and probably end up stronger for it, as usually happened in such situations. In the post-SAF era though I dont take anything for granted.
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