No, it's not that. Moyes is manager. First move was to always keep Rooney. We couldn't sell him, with a new manager at the club... regardless of personal feelings and so on. What's embarrassing is him being captain against Liverpool.
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No, it's not that. Moyes is manager. First move was to always keep Rooney. We couldn't sell him, with a new manager at the club... regardless of personal feelings and so on. What's embarrassing is him being captain against Liverpool.
Why couldn't we have sold him?
I wanted him out in the summer, now I am easy either way as he is playing a lot better - but it needs to be settled as we dont want this dragging on with a whole new Rooney circus next summer.
I do have a few doubts about how suited he is to the role behind RvP, our lack of creativity and chances from open play has been a feature this season - for whatever reason Rooney has never seemed to forge a strong strike partnership with anyone so far and there have been several trials with various players. But maybe it can still come with a bit more time upfront with RvP.
Hernandez?
Van Nistelrooy and Saha too, for decent spells.
Poor Wayne, those 3-4 games in midfield must have really killed him. He's been here 9 seasons now so he obviously should have a devine right to play in any position he wants whenever he wants no matter what type of form he's in. I didn't think it was possible but this interview made me like him even less.
He's a top footballer who is approaching 28 years of age and has played all sorts of positions for the good of the team during his career. Someone earlier raised a good point... you wouldn't see Falcao or Cavani play in midfield because their team refused to strengthen it for years. Rooney is a top footballer like the other two and is approaching 28, it is understandable why he is thinking more selfishly.
He was playing like shit and we had RvP to play upfront, and again, we're only talking about 3-4 games out of an entire season. He's pretty much always been untouchable at United and basically never missed a game now matter what sort of form he was in, signing RvP meant he was irreplaceable anymore for the first time since he's been here and he couldn't have handled it worse. This sets a bad precedent for the future too, everyone mocked the thread about Moyes not having control of Rooney but he's basically just said if he's benched or played out of position he'll want to leave again.
I think he's happy to play for United but he's not happy at united
Knowing Jose he'll send Lukaku off somewhere else and go for Rooney
Actually Cavani is being played out of position at the moment to accomodate Ibrahimovic, and he looks miserable (and not great). The fact is, Rooney has been played out of position quite a bit over the years, not necessarily in midfield but you could hardly say he's had a preferred position at Utd, and still looked good in most of them, and executing his role with good grace for the most part.
But you'd see Cavani play right wing for his country, or club
I'm not too bothered by any of what he said. I reckon the midfield thing is a smoke screen for what we all suspected at the time that he didn't like playing second fiddle to RvP. If he stays and plays well then great, if he goes then so be it.
Why is to so embarrassing? No one is more qualified to take over as Captain than Rooney in the current team. Maybe Evra can be given equal consideration, but none more so.
Cavani is currently playing on the right wing because it's the only way to fit the best players in the team while keeping some semblance of balance. It's certainly not helpful for his own performances though and I don't begrudge players thinking about their career first seeing as they'll likely be retired by 35.
He's won almost every trophy, he's broken numerous records, he's been part of three generations/cycles of United sides...why exactly is it such a bad thing that he wants to experience something different? Why is it such a bad thing to consider living and experiencing a different working culture in a different city while you're still at the height of your career? I don't know what it is that people expect of footballers. The fact they make a shitload of money seems to make people thing that their every need is tended to and that they should be completely satisfied with every aspect of life. That's not how it works. If his wife isn't happy where she is then that could be making things difficult at home, and then it's compounded by coming into work and feeling like you've been usurped as the main man in the team, and then that snowballs to a point where you're not really satisfied with either of the two main aspects of your life so you feel like a change could make things better. If you're going to be retired before you're middle-aged and have no real option for a career after that, is it really so surprising that some people make rash decisions? It might not be right but why is making a bad decision something that deserves so much criticism?
That's not a defence of Rooney it's a general bemusement at the standards footballers are held to. They make a shitload of money because football has gone that way, holding them to higher standards just because they happen to have a natural gift for a highly profitable sport/career is nonsensical.
He's won almost every trophy, he's broken numerous records, he's been part of three generations/cycles of United sides...why exactly is it such a bad thing that he wants to experience something different? Why is it such a bad thing to consider living and experiencing a different working culture in a different city while you're still at the height of your career? I don't know what it is that people expect of footballers. The fact they make a shitload of money seems to make people thing that their every need is tended to and that they should be completely satisfied with every aspect of life. That's not how it works. If his wife isn't happy where she is then that could be making things difficult at home, and then it's compounded by coming into work and feeling like you've been usurped as the main man in the team, and then that snowballs to a point where you're not really satisfied with either of the two main aspects of your life so you feel like a change could make things better. If you're going to be retired before you're middle-aged and have no real option for a career after that, is it really so surprising that some people make rash decisions? It might not be right but why is making a bad decision something that deserves so much criticism?
That's not a defence of Rooney it's a general bemusement at the standards footballers are held to. They make a shitload of money because football has gone that way, holding them to higher standards just because they happen to have a natural gift for a highly profitable sport/career is nonsensical.
Moyes has decided that the best thing for the club now is to suck Rooney's balls metaphorically speaking. He's not doing that because he likes the taste of Scouse sack, but because he'll have considered it and decided that it's worth doing as part of the bigger picture.
Evra didn't start that game which is why I thought Giggs should have been the captain.
Brwned: If Rooney had said any of that I'm sure a lot of people would react to Rooney's actions this summer a lot differently. As it stands he hasn't been honest at all, takes no responsibility for his poor form or actions, and had tried to leave United for Manchester City and then Chelsea.
If Rooney had just said he wants a new challenge abroad I'd have no problem with that, the way he has handled both transfer episodes has been terrible.
If Rooney had just said he wants a new challenge abroad I'd have no problem with that, the way he has handled both transfer episodes has been terrible.
People don't speak honestly to the media when there's millions of pounds at stake. They don't even speak honestly in private discussions when that kind of money's on the table. That's not limited to footballers.
If Rooney is no longer willing to make sacrifices for the team and even now when playing in a role which meets his approval [if not United's needs necessarily] refuses to commit to the club, the response should either be no new contract at all or one of proportionately less value.
Moreover if the other players are aware of the situation and the possible influence it is having on the tactics employed by the manager, it is only more understandable why those such as Hernandez and Kagawa may seek a route out of Old Trafford.
In the long run i think it would be best for all concerned if Wayne was given the elbow.
Moreover if the other players are aware of the situation and the possible influence it is having on the tactics employed by the manager, it is only more understandable why those such as Hernandez and Kagawa may seek a route out of Old Trafford.
In the long run i think it would be best for all concerned if Wayne was given the elbow.
That's fair enough, but the way he has chosen to handle both transfer episodes has made him look childish and greedy. He acts as if he is beyond reproach from the club and that he's been treated unfairly while refusing to recognize any responsibility of his own. I understand that some of that stems from not wanting to risk money but that doesn't mean he doesn't look bad to some fans still.
Where were you during the Ronaldo saga? I'd swear you sung a different tune back then, if my memory was reliable enough.
There really aren't any valid reasons. It's pure childishness. Putting emotion over reason is never helpful, based on ability there is no reason Rooney should leave this football club. Let's face the reality, we are not in a position in which we can sell our best players on a whim. People need to stop being arrogant. Manchester United are not the only elite football club in the world, there are several clubs on a similar level, and at least a few are more attractive to players. As fans we should be extremely thankful we have players the calibre of Rooney, instead of throwing a tantrum because the player may have entertained the notion of playing elsewhere. It's pure fantasy to expect every player at the club to worship it in the manner we do as fans. It's a really immature perspective. Wayne Rooney has achieved wonderful things for this football club, and is one of the best players in the world. So long as he is here, we should support him, and if ever he does actually decide to leave, the mature thing to do is to thank him for his service instead of turn against him.
The important thing is to be realistic. At least four other clubs in the Premier League are now at least at our level. Nothing can be taken for granted, and with the uncertainty brought about by Moyes, Woodward, et al., attracting players of the required quality is not a given. Keeping world class players like Rooney, and potential world class players like Januzaj must be a top priority. This arrogant notion of 'no player is bigger than the club' needs to stop, or reality will soon hit these fans hard.
Interesting stance.
Ye but Rooney (or his team) have spoken A LOT to the media about various things and usually they put the club in a bad light - that is the problem.
If Rooney came out and said he wanted a new challenge blah blah blah then fair enough, but it is not like that is it?
For him Rooney is indeed bigger than the club.. Or life.
He really is an utter moron. A few games deeper really shouldn't such a big deal. One of those times fergie played him there to get his touch back. What was the more relevant issue at he time was his football, which was average.
Sorry, I'm not a Rooney fan at all, but it's not for Wayne Rooney to sacrifice his own ambitions to cover Ferguson's blatant failings with Manchester United's midfield.
Yeah, he has to respect Ferguson's wishes when he's the manager, but if he doesn't like it, he's within his rights to ask for a move.
If it's me in Rooney's shoes, it wouldn't even so much be the playing in midfield that would disenchant me, more the being asked to play there just because my manager hasn't bothered sorting out the issue that's existed in that position for about 5 fecking years...if there was some attempt to use me to paper that over I would be out the door the first decent opportunity I got. It's a bit of an insult.
Fergie pretty much ruined Park's last year at United as well as the later part of his career by throwing him into central midfield. Pretty much every United fan on the planet had conceded that central midfield has become a big problem and that it should have been addressed much better than it has been...Rooney comes to the same conclusion and suddenly he's being "disrespectful" by considering the impact that may have on his career. I mean, be serious
Of course there's the chance he's lying or putting a spin on things to try and angle his way out of wanting a move, but to be honest why is that such a bad thing? It would mean he's more settled now than he was a few months back, and if no one at United is allowed to lie to the fans then to be honest Fergie would be the first up against the wall.
At the end of the day it's the first semi-reasonable explanation I've heard for why he'd want to leave, and his performances this season compared to last at least suggest there's some element of truth hiding in there.
Yeah, he has to respect Ferguson's wishes when he's the manager, but if he doesn't like it, he's within his rights to ask for a move.
If it's me in Rooney's shoes, it wouldn't even so much be the playing in midfield that would disenchant me, more the being asked to play there just because my manager hasn't bothered sorting out the issue that's existed in that position for about 5 fecking years...if there was some attempt to use me to paper that over I would be out the door the first decent opportunity I got. It's a bit of an insult.
Fergie pretty much ruined Park's last year at United as well as the later part of his career by throwing him into central midfield. Pretty much every United fan on the planet had conceded that central midfield has become a big problem and that it should have been addressed much better than it has been...Rooney comes to the same conclusion and suddenly he's being "disrespectful" by considering the impact that may have on his career. I mean, be serious
Of course there's the chance he's lying or putting a spin on things to try and angle his way out of wanting a move, but to be honest why is that such a bad thing? It would mean he's more settled now than he was a few months back, and if no one at United is allowed to lie to the fans then to be honest Fergie would be the first up against the wall.
At the end of the day it's the first semi-reasonable explanation I've heard for why he'd want to leave, and his performances this season compared to last at least suggest there's some element of truth hiding in there.
Don't be soft. He hardly ever played in CM. His only problem was that United played one striker in big matches, and RVP was twice the player Rooney was so he got the spot. But obviously Rooney can't admit that...
I usually agree with you noodles but that's such an odd post. We used Rooney to paper over the cracks? What? He was played in midfield a few times. It's not his problem. One season he doesn't get treated as the big man he thinks he is and it's such a big issue. Well tough fecking luck. The only reason he wasn't treated like that was because his football didn't deserve it. This position bollocks is complete.. Bollocks. It happened a few times, it shouldn't be an issue.
And fergie ruined parks career??! Really ? So it wasn't how rubbish park had become, getting brushed off the ball so easily all the time?
And fergie ruined parks career??! Really ? So it wasn't how rubbish park had become, getting brushed off the ball so easily all the time?
Exactly. He's always played as a number 10 or second striker. Every season he gets played in midfield about two whole times. Suddenly it's such an issue.
Well at least he's finally spoken on things and not on MUTV either which will prevent the scripted perception. I don't really have that much of an issue with his views, he feels with his tenure and performance for United over close to a decade he should always be playing in his preferred position, which is fair enough. The thing is he said he'd never asked to leave and now he's admitting he did want to leave.
The bottom line is until he signs a new deal I can't shake the feeling he's just playing his contract down to a year and we'll sell him next summer.
The bottom line is until he signs a new deal I can't shake the feeling he's just playing his contract down to a year and we'll sell him next summer.
If I were a player who had enjoyed remarkable success in my career largely thanks to one man I'd like to think I'd be more accommodating to a simple, occasional request. I'm not a cnut though.
He played in midfield a lot last season. Even when he was behind RVP he was clearly beng asked to play deeper. This was generally acknowledged and any argument against it is surely disproven by Rooney's hypocrit tweet about "enjoying his new midfield role" Why on earth would he tweet about enjoying a new midfield role if, as you are claiming, he hadn't been given one?
It's not being soft. I don't even like Rooney, but he didn't just decide he wanted to leave for no other reason than because he thought it'd be funny to piss you lot off.
He's the top paid player at the club, if he's asked to play second fiddle, whether it's in midfield or to RVP, then there's obviousy going to be a point where he considers his options. Anyone would in that situation. This season his attitude seems to be to knuckle down and prove his worth on the pitch, where as last season it was to mope around, so something has obviously changed...and to be honest who gives a feck whether it's to do with Fergie's daft midfield ideas or something else. If he's going to put the effort and commitment in then United are better off with than without.
He didn't actually say anything to that effect at the time, though. It was merely his "camp" supposedly leaking it - and what they said was that he never requested to leave, i.e. handed in a transfer request (so it may be interpreted). Not that it matters.
I don't have an issue with what he says either. Midfield-schmidfield, what happened seems clear enough: He fell out with the old man. That's about the size of it. It happens. Yeah, he's a thick cnut and so forth. Nothing new there.
He really didn't play in midfield a lot. People have posted stats (maybe in this thread?) proving that. And that tweet was barely 2 months into the season.
Ok, firstly, Alex Ferguson didn't make Rooney good at football, nor was he "largely" responsible for him being. That's dumb. Rooney was already one of the biggest names in world fotball by the time United signed him and they hadn't, someone else would have. United fans seemed to think Ferguson was somehow single handedly responsible for every good thing anyone involved with United ever did inder his reign. Even Fergie himself has had to point out on many occasions how stupid this idea is.
Also, asking a striker who's the top paid player at the club to become a midfielder isn't a "simple, occasional request" It's asking someone to alter their own career path when they have the option of altering it to their own preference instead of yours (i.e. by leaving). Most people with a spine in that situation would probably choose to do what they themselves preferred rather than bow down. Would innocent people die if Rooney chose to leave United for career related reasons? If not, how does doing so make him a "cnut"?
There are plenty of valid reasons to criticise Wayne Rooney as a person. This isn't really one of them
So he just made it up for a laugh did he? Just thought he'd go post on twitter about his new midfield role that didn't actualy exist? ...seems likely.
People have posted stats "proving" that Joe Allen is one of Europe's best midfielders. There's stats and then there's reality.
You lot are just plain lunatics sometimes.
the biggest thing that is odd from this whole thing, is Rooney seeming to think centre mid is a position to play when your "legs have gone"
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