Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Good to see the general consensus being that everyone is allowed an off day. Refreshing even.
 
Utter dogshit today, although hopefully just a one off rather than the start of his yearly what am i supposed to do with this white thing spell. Let it go for now and see what happens against the geordies.
 
He was terrible... but you know what I liked?

1. Whilst he probably knew he was playing shite, at least he still kept trying things and still kept going, he didn't hide away or anything, which I think some players would do when having a similarly poor game... true, it was probably of detriment to the team as very few things came off for him, but I think it's a good trait to have.

2. When his name came up to be substituted, there were no protestations, no "what? me?" look, no commotion... just a look of, "fair enough, I've not been great" and he went off without a fuss. Obviously such behaviour is to be expected, but again, I bet there are some so called "star players" who would throw a hissy fit at the suggestion that they have to leave the pitch.

Anyway, I reckon, he'll score a hat-trick against West Brom.
 
He's far from my favorite player but hopefully no one goes overboard with this. It's not like he was shit because he didn't care. He was poor, he knew he was poor so kept trying but it didn't work out for him. He was rightfully subbed and he had no objections to it himself.

I bet he'll bet good on boxing day.
 
Even on a complete off-day he set up the chance of the match for Young.

Young should've had a hattrick.
 
Rooney had quite a poor game today. No one could pass the ball properly in the box and the amount of times good work went begging due to a shit pass behind the player or straight to the defender I lost count in the end, half of these were from Rooney. He wasn't the only one who was doing this though, the whole team seemed to suffer from it today.

Saying that even if he was playing poorly he still caused problems for the defenders and was getting the ball in dangerous positions. You could tell when he got subbed off he knew he wasn't playing that well. Hopefully he puts this game behind him quickly and things start clicking again in the next match.
 
marjen said:
Even on a complete off-day he set up the chance of the match for Young.

Young should've had a hattrick.
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It wasn't like it was a difficult chance to set up, not like it was a defence splitting pass. He just had to roll it to young who was open, if he couldn't even do that on an off-day then it would have made you wonder why he's a footballer. Stop bigging it up.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
He was terrible... but you know what I liked?

1. Whilst he probably knew he was playing shite, at least he still kept trying things and still kept going, he didn't hide away or anything, which I think some players would do when having a similarly poor game... true, it was probably of detriment to the team as very few things came off for him, but I think it's a good trait to have.

2. When his name came up to be substituted, there were no protestations, no "what? me?" look, no commotion... just a look of, "fair enough, I've not been great" and he went off without a fuss. Obviously such behaviour is to be expected, but again, I bet there are some so called "star players" who would throw a hissy fit at the suggestion that they have to leave the pitch.

Anyway, I reckon, he'll score a hat-trick against West Brom.
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Spot on buddy plus the cameras were on him big time awaiting the reaction and he acted like a true pro. We have all had games like that the boy had the courage to keep getting on the ball even though he was getting worse and worse. Not concerned he's our top player who's had a shocker shows he is human.
 
Lawman said:
Spot on buddy plus the cameras were on him big time awaiting the reaction and he acted like a true pro. We have all had games like that the boy had the courage to keep getting on the ball even though he was getting worse and worse. Not concerned he's our top player who's had a shocker shows he is human.
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Yep you have to respect his reaction to being subbed. Plenty of professionalism there at least. Seen plenty of other big name players in that situation handle it much worse
 
Snow said:
He's far from my favorite player but hopefully no one goes overboard with this. It's not like he was shit because he didn't care. He was poor, he knew he was poor so kept trying but it didn't work out for him. He was rightfully subbed and he had no objections to it himself.

I bet he'll bet good on boxing day.
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And that's the worst part. When he's shite, he's shite. It's something I'm not sure he'll ever rectify. One of those players that just bemuses me. You feel more confident with him in the team but it can be so frustrating when he has a stinker. And when he's having a stinker, he's basically useless. His whole game suffers and it becomes a detriment to our attacks.

As you say, watch him perform well in the next match.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Listen to yourselves, you stupid cnuts.

Wayne Rooney is a fecking beast of a player, he's been great all season, all career in fact he's been fantastic. He's entitled to the occasional bad game; the claims that other world class players don't have bad games are just absolute bullshit. Some of you brats simply do not deserve to be represented by a player the calibre of Wayne Rooney.
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Wah! Wah! Wah!
 
Plato said:
Wah! Wah! Wah!
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It's true though. Every player has a bad game or two. Even Giggs, Scholes or Cantona had bad games in their prime. There's no need to get pissed off with Wayne. He'll be back to his best soon enough.
 
Thisistheone said:
It's true though. Every player has a bad game or two. Even Giggs, Scholes or Cantona had bad games in their prime. There's no need to get pissed off with Wayne. He'll be back to his best soon enough.
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The thing is that, his bad days usually take place quite often. And they generally coincide when the team is lacking an influential performance within the team. And his best performances come when the whole team is having a very good game.
 
coolredwine said:
The thing is that, his bad days usually take place quite often. And they generally coincide when the team is lacking an influential performance within the team. And his best performances come when the whole team is having a very good game.
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He may have more bad days than the likes of Van Persie and other forwards of his calibre, but he's good enough to compensate for that. Also, I think it's a bit harsh to say his best performances come when the entire team is having a good game - I would say that, more often than not, if the entire team is playing well, it is actually because of Rooney. He raises the team up a level, even when he isn't scoring or directly creating goals. Hope he gets back in to top gear soon enough.
 
He already had a few stinkers this season but this ranks up there as the worst. We had about 3-4 clear cut chances when he was put through in acres of space to run at and he fecked up it real bad. The last clear cut chance I remembered was the one when he was put through at the left side of the penalty box, a simple low cross to the player in the box would have resulted in a goal but he decided to toepoke the ball with his right foot at an awkward angle and fluffed it. It was pure amaturish and honestly quite shocking to see from a world class player.

Anyway, I think the team performed very well in the second half, I don't the team should even be mentioned for Rooney's poor display. On an individual level, he fecked up even the most basic of passes. I have a faint memory before the game that Coleen was giving birth to his child in the hospital while he's playing, lets hope that this was just a mere distraction.
 
coolredwine said:
The thing is that, his bad days usually take place quite often. And they generally coincide when the team is lacking an influential performance within the team. And his best performances come when the whole team is having a very good game.
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maybe he is the reason why the team is having a very good day?? think about that.

Rooney is the key to how we play. He is very important in most of all good build-up play. He makes everyone else look a bit better.
 
If your best player plays well, the team will play well too. Yesterday was the opposite, the team raised the standards in the second half, even Vidic who had a terrible first half improved gradually but Rooney let the team down.
 
Thisistheone said:
It's true though. Every player has a bad game or two. Even Giggs, Scholes or Cantona had bad games in their prime. There's no need to get pissed off with Wayne. He'll be back to his best soon enough.
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Stop stop stop. It's not about having a bad game. it's what happens when he does have a bad game. As many games as he's contributed whilst playing badly, he has certainly had some where he's had an absolute mare. I'm getting tired of posters rewriting history just because they see Wayne as a world class player.

He certainly has more bad games than Van Persie. he doesn't have the same sort of consistency. It's okay. We, as fans, should be able to accept that. It's just how Wayne is. It doesn't mean he's not a top player. It just means taht he has a really low bottom level compared to other top players. Apologies if this comes across as cnutish but I dont understand this cognitive dissonance some of you have. He's been here 8 years and his bottom level has been well-known for some time.

Personally, i think he's a bit overrated but that's not pertinent to the discussion. just weird when someone makes a valid criticism as well as a general observation and gets shouted down because of who the player is. Are people trying to ignore Wayne's tendencies?
 
Well DevilsOwn, considering our team played better in the 2nd half while Rooney had a mare makes your statement a bit contentious.

A lot of fans think Rooney is the heartbeat of our team. RVP's presence shows that perhaps the burden is shared now.
 
Plato said:
Well DevilsOwn, considering our team played better in the 2nd half while Rooney had a mare makes your statement a bit contentious.

A lot of fans think Rooney is the heartbeat of our team. RVP's presence shows that perhaps the burden is shared now.
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One game doesn't establish the rule does it?

RvP's joining us has helped us immensely, no doubt; but even when RvP is playing more plays are built around and by Rooney.

We definitely are not a one-man team, but Rooney is most likely the most important man (whilst attacking)
 
DevilsOwn said:
maybe he is the reason why the team is having a very good day?? think about that.

Rooney is the key to how we play. He is very important in most of all good build-up play. He makes everyone else look a bit better.
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No. Definitely not. Our definitely has the potential to play and live up to the standards without Rooney. While it could have been said last season or two that without Rooney, we would suffer, but this time we have Robin van Persie who is very much able to lead the team on his own. Also, in Rooney's position (Attacking midfield, Supporting Striker), we have Kagawa/RvP who can take his place. So the reason that the team plays well because of Rooney is not true.

Also, good players who are having a mare are still able to contribute something or the other during the match. RvP comes up with little gems from set pieces. Rooney, who we supposedly call our best player, doesn't do that (sadly!). When he has a bad game, he is absolutely dire. Look at yesterday itself. He has a a couple of decent chances and he made a meal of them. Didn't even make them count.
 
coolredwine said:
No. Definitely not. Our definitely has the potential to play and live up to the standards without Rooney. While it could have been said last season or two that without Rooney, we would suffer, but this time we have Robin van Persie who is very much able to lead the team on his own. Also, in Rooney's position (Attacking midfield, Supporting Striker), we have Kagawa/RvP who can take his place. So the reason that the team plays well because of Rooney is not true.

Also, good players who are having a mare are still able to contribute something or the other during the match. RvP comes up with little gems from set pieces. Rooney, who we supposedly call our best player, doesn't do that (sadly!). When he has a bad game, he is absolutely dire. Look at yesterday itself. He has a a couple of decent chances and he made a meal of them. Didn't even make them count.
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my response was to your statement that "all his good performances come when the team is having a very good day."


This, I found absurd.
Maybe in case of Berba it was slightly valid as his ability to dictate the game was questionable.

In case of Rooney though, when he is playing the way he can, he makes most of the good things that we do happen.
 
coolredwine said:
The thing is that, his bad days usually take place quite often. And they generally coincide when the team is lacking an influential performance within the team. And his best performances come when the whole team is having a very good game.
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But don't you think our expectations and standards are sometimes too much? With the freakish form of Ronaldo & Messi on tv every week, everyone else has been left behind. But that doesn't mean they're poor or inconsistant.
 
Thisistheone said:
But don't you think our expectations and standards are sometimes too much? With the freakish form of Ronaldo & Messi on tv every week, everyone else has been left behind. But that doesn't mean they're poor or inconsistant.
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No. I am not really comparing to them. I was just comparing Rooney to his usual performances and what happened last night. None of his passes could come off properly. One shot that he could have buried (first half), was put directly in the hands of the keeper. In the second half, he was clean through into the penalty area, and somehow managed to fluff it. Then he tried some lame ass-outside-of-the-foot-spin shot and pass, which ended us losing the ball and Swansea attacking on the counter. That was definitely on the poor side from a player who we consider to be our talisman.
 
Plato said:
Stop stop stop. It's not about having a bad game. it's what happens when he does have a bad game. As many games as he's contributed whilst playing badly, he has certainly had some where he's had an absolute mare. I'm getting tired of posters rewriting history just because they see Wayne as a world class player.

He certainly has more bad games than Van Persie. he doesn't have the same sort of consistency. It's okay. We, as fans, should be able to accept that. It's just how Wayne is. It doesn't mean he's not a top player. It just means taht he has a really low bottom level compared to other top players. Apologies if this comes across as cnutish but I dont understand this cognitive dissonance some of you have. He's been here 8 years and his bottom level has been well-known for some time.

Personally, i think he's a bit overrated but that's not pertinent to the discussion. just weird when someone makes a valid criticism as well as a general observation and gets shouted down because of who the player is. Are people trying to ignore Wayne's tendencies?
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Yesterday was possibly the worst I've seen from him, ever. (Not counting his games in an England shirt.)

He has the odd mare but is still our most important player, imo. So when he does hit those low levels, I don't get too annoyed as I know it's just one of those days.
 
I get what you're saying mate. When he has these mares, it's simply bemusing because it comes at a time you least expect it. It's not like he got injured or anything. Sometimes I wonder if he allows his personal life to potentially interfere with how he plays. He is human after all.
 
Thisistheone said:
Yesterday was possibly the worst I've seen from him, ever. (Not counting his games in an England shirt.)
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This is barmy. He had half a season playing worse than this quite recently. Wasn't that bad for goodness sake.

People just have a tendency to always elevate the current.

worst ever, best ever, etc etc
 
Plato said:
I get what you're saying mate. When he has these mares, it's simply bemusing because it comes at a time you least expect it. It's not like he got injured or anything. Sometimes I wonder if he allows his personal life to potentially interfere with how he plays. He is human after all.
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Maybe. Plus he's not as lucky as someone like Ronaldo in terms of physique.

Sandikan said:
This is barmy. He had half a season playing worse than this quite recently. Wasn't that bad for goodness sake.

People just have a tendency to always elevate the current.

worst ever, best ever, etc etc
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No I honestly thought he was terrible yesterday. Couldn't pass the ball 5 yards. When he had that dip you mention after the world cup, yes he was shit then but it felt like he was building up form and fitness so perhaps I wasn't so harsh on him then.
 
Thisistheone said:
Yesterday was possibly the worst I've seen from him, ever. (Not counting his games in an England shirt.)

He has the odd mare but is still our most important player, imo. So when he does hit those low levels, I don't get too annoyed as I know it's just one of those days.
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Was yesterday really the worst you've seen him play? If so, did you start watching Man United in October?
 
DevilsOwn said:
my response was to your statement that "all his good performances come when the team is having a very good day."


This, I found absurd.
Maybe in case of Berba it was slightly valid as his ability to dictate the game was questionable.

In case of Rooney though, when he is playing the way he can, he makes most of the good things that we do happen.
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Because he's a very good player. When he's on form, his qualities enable the team to play better. It's the same with Van Persie and let alone any other class player we watch in football. My qualm with Rooney is he doesn't show his class often enough. He's the type of player who performs around 70% of his potential the majority of the time. It's been like this for sometime now. There are games where he's central to everything we do. Other games, he's simply operating as just another attacker in our lineup. Some fans equate the two as being the heartbeat of the team. I don't.
 
His bottom level should not be this bad. You would be better off playing Andy Carroll blindfolded than Rooney when he is like that. Just horrendous to watch. Anyway, he scored two at City away so I'm already over yesterday, but it's this inconsistency that has blighted Rooney's entire career. Not inconsistency in terms of good - bad game ratio, as it's probably similar to most other top players, but in terms of how bad his bad games are.
 
He was shite, any other player would be benched for a few games after putting in that spectacle of how not to play football.
 
Zen86 said:
He was shite, any other player would be benched for a few games after putting in that spectacle of how not to play football.
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This is such a massive fecking lie.

If a fringe player someone that wasn't a regular had a stinker then I'd agree. However if one of our regulars have a stinker they're very very rarely "benched for a few games."

Absolute nonsense. I could point to various stinkers by Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Young and others in the last 18months where they've still been selected the next game.

Thankfully Fergie isn't as knee jerk as most on here.
 
I will add he my well get benched for the Newcastle game. But it will be because of fixture congestion, not his performance.

He had a shit game. It happens. Get over it.
 
One Night Only said:
Hernandez gets benched for less.
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So do players such as De Gea, Cleverley and Anderson.

Do you see a pattern?

Rooney has done enough though his entire career to show he is capable of much more. He's earned his reputation as one of the best forwards in the World. The others haven't.
 
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