Rooney included. You're talking bollocks.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Rooney included. You're talking bollocks.
Last season I'll admit that when he wasn't at his best, he was managing to still score goals, but he undoubtedly has periods where he is simply terrible and I don't know why you expect people to simply ignore this because he is world class when at his best. People are naturally going to criticise him when he was terrible today.
Horrifying stuff today. I thought Fergie was going to deck him at some point.
It was a one-off, because even when he doesn't play well he does something. Today he did virtually nothing good and fecked up 3 potential goals. He's earned the right to play poorly once in a long while, though, he doesn't let us down when it really matters.
It was a one-off, because even when he doesn't play well he does something. Today he did virtually nothing good and fecked up 3 potential goals. He's earned the right to play poorly once in a long while, though, he doesn't let us down when it really matters.
This happened on one of Rooney's off days:
He was horrendous today, but the idea that he plays like that often is absurd. He's very, very rarely as bad as that, it was worst performance for a very long time.
Rooney can still produce whilst off form/having a bad game but I think more than most he loses a lot from his game which is the more annoying thing. Having a bad game is understandable but it really seems to affect him a lot.
Often would be harsh, but it's not the first time we've seen a horrific performance like that from him. I'm not really talking about just off days either; more that his bottom level is undoubtedly worse and more detrimental than a lot of other top players.
Exactly.
He was shit today, but can we please not go overboard.
At least he was trying to make things happen, and his general form is pretty good.
At least he was trying to make things happen, and his general form is pretty good.
One of those days where he did nothing right. Still fancied him to score from the freekick before he came off, so i think it's unfair to say he was completely useless. With a lack of options out wide, Kagawa is his only real replacement. I don't fancy RVP playing his role except maybe for the last 20min of the game to get Hernandez on.
I'm not saying that his performances should never be criticised, just that you're talking through your arse when saying that Rooney is incapable of moments of magic during otherwise weak performances. He's done exactly that many times.
I agree with you Cheesy.
Rooney was indeed at least Heskey-esque today, a donkey if you will. Admittedly, he has had some great games, but you can hardly say his contribution to todays result was a positive one.
it was just one of those days where he didnt feel upto it. When he wants the ball he will drop deep and always look to try make an impact on the game. He didnt really try that at all today for whatever reason, his body language didnt look good at all, rather lazy, or under the weather, something wasnt right in his attitude or confidence. Just one of those games. I'm sure fergie will make him aware of it and he will brighten back up for our next game against the Geordies.
No excuses though, once you walk over the line onto the pitch you should give your all no matter what is going on in your head.
No excuses though, once you walk over the line onto the pitch you should give your all no matter what is going on in your head.
Except I'm not simply highlighting 'weak' performances, which are no different to others, more when he hits that bottom level as he did today.
I haven't said that. Rooney was shit today. Even so though he still created by few good chances for those around him. He messed up more than he created, but to say he didn't do anything positive would not be an accurate statement.
Regardless, Rooney is capable of moments of pure magic even when he isn't having a great game; cheesy is talking through his arse in saying that he isn't.
All players have a ceiling and a floor. Rooney has a high ceiling, but a very low floor.
Today's performance was on the floor level.
The problem for me, is when he gets to his flor level, he loses the ability to make simple passes or control the ball.
Today's performance was on the floor level.
The problem for me, is when he gets to his flor level, he loses the ability to make simple passes or control the ball.
Are you actually reading my posts? I'm not simply talking about his off days, I'm talking about when he hits that very bottom level like today and completely seems to lose his ability to pass well or control the ball.
How many times has that happened in Rooney's career? I could count on one hand Rooney's stinkers. Cristiano Ronaldo had games like that for United also, as did Ruud Van Nistelrooy, David Beckham, Eric Cantona etc. Your claim that only Rooney has terrible games is bullshit.
It's not regular, but it's certainly not as rare as the ones you have mentioned. When Ronaldo had a terrible game, it usually wasn't to the extent where his passing and first touch was completely awful. I'm not the only one who has made this criticism either; a lot of people recognise it to be true. His bottom level really is woeful.
I don't get why you targeted me as talking crap though when I recognise he's world class and people were completely dismissing him a couple of pages back.
Well, he played a few good passes today, created a few chances for those around him, had a decent shot on target, got into some great positions and showed some neat control around the box. He certainly fecked up far more than he got right, but if you think he got nothing right then you either didn't watch the game or are talking bollocks to make your point.
Please provide some other examples of performances that bad.
I'm not saying he literally didn't do anything right. Of course that's not the case, but on the whole his passing was terrible, his first touch was off, he rarely was able to take it past his man and his general all round game was very poor. Any time he got into a good position he found a way to waste it as well.
That's exactly what you've been saying.
Rooney's bottom level is very poor and has been a little bit too frequent during various parts of his career to be fair, but by the same token he may well go down as one of the most consistent to have ever played for the club by the time he's finished. Every season he's had here has been at least good, whilst most have been very good and others excellent. He's not had a complete shocker of a season yet for us.
Today's performance was bad, but he's not had one like that in some time.
Today's performance was bad, but he's not had one like that in some time.
Off the top of my head, I can remember both Berbatov and him being very poor in that 3-0 defeat last season. If I remember correctly, he was also very poor against Everton in the first game of this season. I'd be able to think of more if given time but there are a couple of examples like that which stand out to me right away.
It's not exactly regular, but it isn't as rare as it is with other players either. That's the worrying thing. I apologise if you think I've gone over the top though because I do rate him highly and see him as a world class player at his best.
Piss poor today, but some of the criticism is laughably harsh. He's the heartbeat of our team, we look so much worse without him for any spell. All players have quiet spells, or shit games, but he still is the player I always want at the top of the list.
SAF might be annoyed, but drop him? It isn't going to happen and I agree with that.
SAF might be annoyed, but drop him? It isn't going to happen and I agree with that.
very very poor today, none of the players could say they played at their best, and i dont think rooneys played well all season, but still top of the league
His bottom level is pub league, his top level is World XI standard. The amount of times he does hit bottom level is really overplayed here, he is a consistent performer. Everyone has off days like he had today, i'm sure he'll redeem himself in no time. Whenever he has something to prove, he's the best player we have.
Ferguson has said recently that Rooney needs games to build form and rhythm, so I don't see him dropping him after one poor game (especially when his general form is very good). We shouldn't make a point by dropping our best player against an opponent as dangerous as Newcastle.
The beauty these days is that if Rooney's playing badly and we take him off, we still have VP on the pitch as a big threat.
Last year when Rooney came off it was a huge shock.
Last year when Rooney came off it was a huge shock.
Terrible but Im OK with that.
He been fantastic the past month and generally very consistent since the early season injury so a poor performance will crop up now and then. And given his quality, he's just as likely to go score a hat-trick of stunning goals and cover every blade of grass in the next game.
One to forget for him but we move on to the next game. He'll be fine.
He been fantastic the past month and generally very consistent since the early season injury so a poor performance will crop up now and then. And given his quality, he's just as likely to go score a hat-trick of stunning goals and cover every blade of grass in the next game.
One to forget for him but we move on to the next game. He'll be fine.
There was a spate of games at OT towards the end of last season where he was easily as bad as he was today, think Fulham, QPR and definitely Aston Villa, the thing was last season he was still getting goals despite being pretty awful
Rooney was shocking today but he was still making things happen something that stopped the minute Scholes came on
Bad game, onwards and upwards though. Probably be great in his next game.
Just scored a brace against City in their backyard.
Not his day today but he will be back because he always bounces back.
Not his day today but he will be back because he always bounces back.
He had one of his mares, didn't he? I actually had a feeling that he'd bag the winner for us, even though he was having an awful game. He had some fairly average games last season, but still banged them in when we needed him to.
Hopefully it was just a blip and he'll be back against Newcastle.
Hopefully it was just a blip and he'll be back against Newcastle.
Shocking today which is a shame as I thought he'd put those kind of shocking performances behind him.
It's not that frequent but with him being so integral to our play it causes major issues when he is off form.
It's not that frequent but with him being so integral to our play it causes major issues when he is off form.
He has games where he's a bit anonymous, like pretty much all strikers, but I can't remember him being as dreadful as he was today. It wasn't just a question of him not getting the ball today, he was actively hindering our attacking play, ruining attacking moves. That wasn't representative of a normal bad Rooney performance at all.
If he's regularly scoring goals he's not really playing badly, much less playing awful.
One of the worst games I've seen him play but he was still a threat. Made a decent chance for Young and a good pass for Jones. Had a good chance when he messed up the cut back to Hernandez
Fergie will probably tear a few strips off him privately and say that he wasn't great publicly, and we'll see a transformed performance against Newcastle (a team he loves to play against).
People need to retain perspective, his form over the last month or so has been absolutely terrific. Don't buy into all this 'bottom level' bollocks. He was off his game today, but still dangerous.
People need to retain perspective, his form over the last month or so has been absolutely terrific. Don't buy into all this 'bottom level' bollocks. He was off his game today, but still dangerous.
Played shit so what it happens. He is our best player by a mile so get over it.
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