Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Fergus' son said:
I'd say it people who think he plays as bad if not worse than that on many occasions before who are going over the top.
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'he has never played as bad as yesterday' ?

that was probabaly his worst game this season.

almost everything he tried did not come off. His first touch was bad.

But I remember about two years ago he had a pretty rotten spell.....people shouting he should be dropped.

No. That was not the worst game he ever played for us yesterday.
 
Probably? I think you mean definitely.

During the rotten spell you speak of, he played like he did yesterday.
 
Fergus' son said:
Perhaps whe he played up front alone, but that's to be expected because of the role.

I'd never question Rooney's motivation to be fair, that's a strange criticism of Rooney IMO. In what games would you blame his effort and not his execution?
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Plenty? Not sure it's to do with the tactics. When he's completely out of it, he doesn't seem to orchestrate or involve himself as much as he does when he's high on confidence, especially when the team are also not performing as a whole, this results in him looking increasingly disinterested, it's happened in CL games especially if I remember right. I thought that would be fairly normal to be honest and typical of a lot of players. Take Valencia for example, it wasn't anything tactic wise that let him down yesterday, but his confidence and motivation to actually do something with the ball. Yesterday Rooney didn't look like he was short of that, he wanted the ball as much as anyone, but couldn't do much with it once he had it. You might never quesiton his motivation, although it sounds like we are talking about it in different ways, for me there have been games in the past where he has looked disinterested. I suppose we are going to disagree.
 
Confidence and motivation are competely different, lumping them together in a sentence won't change that!

Anyway, if you find Rooney sometimes looks disinterested then we are never going to agree, for me he is always motivated and interested.
 
Rooney is an emotional player...'confidence' player if you like.

he can get frustrated pretty easily if things are not going his way. Yesterday I did not see that. He kept trying. As teh game was progressing, I thought he may get his 'magic' moment and get us that goal or that killer pass.

Never happened.
 
Fergus' son said:
Confidence and motivation are competely different, lumping them together in a sentence won't change that!

Anyway, if you find Rooney sometimes looks disinterested then we are never going to agree, for me he is always motivated and interested.
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I'm aware, and am not trying to say they are the same things either.

Do you then believe that Rooney maintains the same level of motivation and interest in every match he's played for us?
 
Hectic said:
I'm aware, and am not trying to say they are the same things either.

Do you then believe that Rooney maintains the same level of motivation and interest in every match he's played for us?
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Yeah, motivation and interest definitely.
 
Does anybody else miss that bit of fire that Rooney used to have? i know it used to get him in trouble in terms of suspensions but i think it gave him that extra 10%.

RVP seems to have it and i think it makes him a better player for it.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Does anybody else miss that bit of fire that Rooney used to have? i know it used to get him in trouble in terms of suspensions but i think it gave him that extra 10%.

RVP seems to have it and i think it makes him a better player for it.
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no. he has matured. last season for example he had a purple patch where he has superb.

Even this season. Just look at this hread a few weeks back even.

He had a bad game is all.
 
Red Dreams said:
I did not see the Everton match where some said he was poor. So I cannot say this was his worst match so far..


In that 'spell' he was frustrated and seemed to have lost his confidence. So I will disagree.
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Against Everton, he wasn't fit. yesterday wasn't the same as that.
 
Hectic said:
Plenty? Not sure it's to do with the tactics. When he's completely out of it, he doesn't seem to orchestrate or involve himself as much as he does when he's high on confidence, especially when the team are also not performing as a whole, this results in him looking increasingly disinterested, it's happened in CL games especially if I remember right. I thought that would be fairly normal to be honest and typical of a lot of players. Take Valencia for example, it wasn't anything tactic wise that let him down yesterday, but his confidence and motivation to actually do something with the ball. Yesterday Rooney didn't look like he was short of that, he wanted the ball as much as anyone, but couldn't do much with it once he had it. You might never quesiton his motivation, although it sounds like we are talking about it in different ways, for me there have been games in the past where he has looked disinterested. I suppose we are going to disagree.
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even attempted to take on the defender 1 v 1 when RvP was screaming for the ball in the 18 yard box - definately not a confidence issue for me
 
Adam-Utd said:
Does anybody else miss that bit of fire that Rooney used to have? i know it used to get him in trouble in terms of suspensions but i think it gave him that extra 10%.

RVP seems to have it and i think it makes him a better player for it.
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I do. I used to think that he's like a video game that had a rage meter, and when filled he would be at his best, being explosive and stuff. I still think that.
 
Rooney:

'I could feel it on the pitch that things weren't right at Swansea,' said Rooney. 'Some days you have an off day I could feel that and I couldn't complain at being substituted.'

'But the good thing I think about football, and especially over the Christmas period, is that you have lots of games and the Swansea game has gone for me and it is certainly not one I will remember. I will relish the next one, though.'

'The position we are in at the minute, it is a great opportunity to make that gap even bigger between us and Manchester City at the top of the league.'

'Obviously against Swansea we couldn't do it but, as I say, hopefully we will get six points from the next two games and see what happens.'
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I think what were seeing is a more mature Rooney that is all.
When things weren't going well for him in the past he used to get petulant, make rash decisions & argue a lot. Now when things aren't going well for him you can see him making light of it by smiling, which I think gives the impression that he doesn't care.

He also doesn't run halfway across the pitch to foul a player when he loses the ball as much any longer but he will make sure to get back into a defensive position.

These little changes to his game I feel give the wrong impression that he doesn't care as much or that he's lost his passion.

Also Rooney is definitely a confidence player and is also frustratingly slow at getting back into form after an injury which doesn't help.
I also think we are seeing a Rooney who has had the pressure lifted from his shoulders with the arrival of RVP.

I'm hoping that the swansea game will be the catalyst for Rooney returning to form as it might be the kick up the arse he needs to prove his detractors wrong.
 
Ay mate, you do realize two weeks ago Rooney had a great game against City. Not sure how he lost form all of the sudden. Like the man said, he had a bad game.
 
Rooney is analysed to the nth degree like no other player in England. Looking at the discourse this week, you'd think the bloke had gone six months without a goal! Anyone with half a brain can surely see he's been in great form of late, and that the Swansea game was just a dip.

I thought Rooney's performance was symptomatic of a general team malaise, whereas many feel it was the opposite. Whichever way you look at it, that sums Rooney up: pivotal. He's our best player, and I'm sure we'll be toasting him at 5pm today.
 
So if a player is consistent, we'd expect him to never have a poor game ?

So if a player is injured and just got back from injury, he's suppose to have a poor game ?

I reckon there are too many assumptions going based on nothing, Rooney had a poor game, what were the reasons etc... Heck even Messi has poor games, Maradona too though most of em' were good ones. Sometimes luck isn't going your way, you misplace passes.... etc..

But let me tell you something, usually people tend to play poorly when they try too hard to do something...

Rooney was trying too hard to play the killer ball, trying too hard to get the balls to the wingers, tried too hard to score... You can tell he wasn't having fun and he wasn't enjoying himself.

If he just stepped back a little, maybe trusted his team mates more and didn't drop down so much so he could make better runs, it would create a bit more space for others.

Rooney dropped too deep, almost lower than Cleverly at times when he didn't really need to though it has been a strong part of his game in recent matches, but maybe he was over doing it.

He's become predictable dropping in deep and you see more defenders on him because they no he'll only drop to the centre mf. Maybe if Rooney started dropping to other positions while deployed as a 9.5 striker, it'll cancel out this predictability it could get defenders back peddling as they can't mark him as it'll leave the centre of the field exposed.

Just saying... Its one bad game and we're just not converting our chances... Not much in it really, if A.Young worked on his shooting a bit more we would have probably won it 2-1.

Next match please
 
He just cant get past players anymore. He used to do so easily in the past, it looks like he lost a yard or two
 
A Young's decision making in the final third can be absolutely shocking at times. Use your head Ashley! Hate it when he plays with a blindfold on.
 
Escobar said:
He just cant get past players anymore. He used to do so easily in the past, it looks like he lost a yard or two
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Agreed. He needs to practise his agility and taking players on in training.

I'm very like Rooney in stature but slightly taller and I used to struggle to get passed people when not at speed, but I have practised alot and now it's alot easier, I'm amazed fergie or 1 of the coaches hasn't made him practise it as he literally has no other trick in the book, all he does is try to drop the shoulder.

Anyway hope Wayne is back on full flight today, we need him firing.
 
He's a different player now. He doesn't beat people anymore, his game has changed massively. Probably due to the way his body has developed.
 
Rooney is a victim of his own success and mistakes.

Because his best is so good that becomes the level expected of him more often than not.
Also because of his hopefully now gone imaturity he is constantly under the spotlight as a potential story for the tabloids and pther gutter media.

And on a personal level, if you believe he arse raped the club for a: personal gain or b: because he genuinely thinks he is so much better than the rest of the current squad that puts a big target on your back.....either you want bpitw type wages....fine go and fecking earn them then or b: fine.....your a level above everyone go and prove it.
 
Anyone else think its blatantly obvious that he wasn't injured today, but was dropped for what he said about the RVP/Williams incident?
 
Sam said:
Anyone else think its blatantly obvious that he wasn't injured today, but was dropped for what he said about the RVP/Williams incident?
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Don't think it's 'blatantly obvious', but possible yes.
 
charleysurf said:
Jesus, worst yet
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Excuse me?

You don't think that's something Fergie would do? He and Evans got dropped for Blackburn last year for going out a week before the match. This week Rooney directly contradicted what the gaffer had said, there's no way Fergie would just let that go.
 
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