In the case of Australasia, it's worth every penny.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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In the case of Australasia, it's worth every penny.
But why should they bother? We've seen again and again, not just in this case but in modern football generally, that denying rumours doesn't stop them. Look at Fabregas - his early summer statement was the most emphatic denial I've ever read from a player, and yet we still managed to have an entire transfer saga after it. In fact, despite another emphatic denial from both player and club, there are still some who seem to think we have a chance of getting him.
If Rooney and the club know the situation - which presumably they do since he's been in training for weeks and weeks now - then why should they worry about the transfer speculation. Fergie used to just not bother addressing it at all. It doesn't affect the footballers themselves. Rooney assisted two goals on Saturday. When the transfer window shuts, he'll still be here. So why bother trying to deny the rumours when we know that denials never stop rumours?
Sparky might spontaneously combust
That's kinda what I've been trying to say all day. Even immediately post Sept 2nd we won't know where we stand with Rooney if he's still with us. Another saga in Jan would made my stomach churn.
Really? Because every one of those media outlets claimed that United were pursuing Thiago, and the player himself has since denied that we had any interest. Every single one of those outlets also reported that we had bid for Sneijder, only for Fergie to reveal that we'd never even considered pursuing him. Is it 'worth arguing' with me now?
You have to get your head around the fact that the sports media works differently to the mainstream news, even on the respectable platforms.
David Moyes' reaction to the question "Has Wayne told you he wants to stay?" at his first press conference was quite telling. After that it became very hard to believe that Rooney didn't want to leave.
But how many Barcelona fans feel like Fabregas is still leaving after both the club and player denied it? It's irrelevant what United fans feel on that situation. But really, a player and club denying that the player wants to leave is obviously going to have a much bigger effect than saying nothing at all, I'm not sure how that can even be argued with.
True.
It can't be. Rooney's silence is deafening.
Well Ill be a son of a bitch.........we actually agree on something to do with Rooney!!!!!!
It had almost zero effect on the Fabregas situation. Given that the rumours don't actually affect Rooney's job, I can see why he might just want to leave it up to Moyes to continue with the fruitless denials. Again, the last time he tried to deny rumours he was branded a liar, so why should he bother? He's doing his actual job very nicely so far.
There's plenty of reasons why it would be beneficial, such as put fans at ease (and it really would do this I think), stop interest from Chelsea (our interest in Fabregas has qutie plainly died since he commited to Barca) , publically appease sponsors, and it would mean that Moyes and other players wouldn't have to comment on him in every single interview.
If Rooney has told the club he wants to stay, won't Moyes have said this himself? It is of no benefit to Moyes to not be able to say this... so why hasn't he so far? You can never stop all rumours, but denials kill a lot of them - again, see Fabregas (only very few have reported interest after his denial)
Ah, but according to Sneijder himself and I'm fairly sure Inter Milan, we did put a bid in for him and they rejected it - so again, it's a case of who you believe in that instance.
Brightonian even the BBC have reported Rooney's unhappiness.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23336090
Did they just make this up as well?
How about this one -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22460580
Bullshit too?
Incidentally Fergie was pretty much saying the same stuff as Moyes, that we were not going to get let him go even after he made it aware he was unsettled, and unless a ridiculous offer comes in we will stick to that.
My final word on that particular subject, its not just that Pic, look at the photos of him arriving at training, in the tunnel at Swansea, sat on the bench at Swansea, maybe he ISNT miserable and that's just the way he looks, but he looks it more often than not.
No might about it
I can cope with him staying as long as he puts in the effort on the pitch, and Ill be the first one cheering if his goals win us the CL for example, but claims of loving the club and kissing the badge etc would be a touch too muchNeither the BBC nor Sky Sports News reported we were after Thiago, and Sneijder himself later admitted we were trying to sign him. Fergie even went nuts at Bob Cass for running a story saying we were after him. We 100% tried to sign Sneijder that summer.
It's also interesting that you say Rooney tried to quash the rumours about him handing in a transfer request earlier in the summer, when to my knowledge he never actually said anything directly, the papers used the "sources close to Rooney camp" line. I bring this up because it appears you are quite happy to believe that yet not when the very same papers using the same "sources close to the Rooney camp' line state he wants to leave. It's almost like you're only believing the information you want to be true.
Regardless of how you feel about Rooney I really can't believe people actually think he's done enough to reassure the fans and the club that he wants to stay.
I can't really believe that at all. I'm pretty sure Fabregas saying the following definitely had an effect on Barcelona supporters who thought he might leave:
""I haven't talked to anyone. I have a completely clean conscience. I haven't done anything bad. And I'm very, very happy at Barcelona. It's flattering when such an important club makes two offers for you but I never spoke to anyone from United. Everyone here told me to stay. There were never any doubts, not on the club's part and not on mine. I've felt wanted here at every moment."
How can you read that from a player you thought might be leaving, and not feel more re-assured? You're telling me this had zero effect on Barcelona fans? Seriously?
That's true of both sides of the argument to be fair.
Yeah but Rooney did say the he didn't hand in a formal transfer request and that he didn't change his twitter account. That's almost the same right?
I have no idea, this is the first time I've posted in this thread. For the record I don't want Rooney to leave, but I don't understand how you can look at the evidence objectively and reach the conclusion that the fuss this summer has been made up by "third-rate sports hacks" and that anyone who believes Rooney wants to leave is wearing a "tinfoil hat" and "disrespecting the club".
He's asked to leave again and moaned to the press all summer so I guess he feels there's no point now in trying to suck up to the fans with quotes like that. Can't see anyone falling for it. And if he does he's thicker than I thought. It's a cliche but the best he can do now is do his talking on the pitch. Though again that would help more if he didn't look like such a miserable cnut like he did against Swansea.
As I've already said a hundred times, it's already been proven that Rooney denying stuff doesn't put the fans at ease. He tried it once and they called him a liar, and carried on as before.
Did Fabregas' original denials or Barca's stop our interest in him? No, so that's another reason not to bother.
Why do you need to publicly appease sponsors? Firstly, I'm not sure they need any kind of appeasement at all - all they care about is that Rooney stays, and as far as I'm aware none of them are planning to pull out before the transfer window closes just on that off chance that Rooney might leave. If he's still here when it closes, job done. Even if you did feel the need to appease them, you can do that with an email or a phone call or in person, you don't need to talk via the papers.
Again, did you read Fabregas original denial? That didn't stop any rumours, despite being the most emphatic I've ever seen from a player. And even after the latest volley of 'I'm staying' from him and and from Barca, there's been another round of rumours claiming we've put a last bid in. The Fabregas case is categorical proof that denying rumours is next to useless.
Even if that's true, it's just one of two examples I've given, and there are plenty more. You can't deny that this is how the sports media - from the Mail to the BBC - operates now.
I think I'm done now. It's like bashing my head against a brick wall. Same points again and again, repeatedly unaddressed.
The Fabregas stuff wasn't "rumours", we actually put in two bids.
He doesn't want to stay. The club wont sell him to a rival.
Seeing as the scale of your own selective reasoning has left me a tad baffled at times then i guess we are even eh.
When asked why could Moyes not tell the media that Rooney wanted to stay at the club?
Why do you believe that Sir Alex has been entirely deceitful in this instance and Rooney the arbiter of truth?
Debating the trade-off in selling to Chelsea or for United to stand up to player power is one thing, to suggest that nothing whatsoever has been going on these last months is quite another.
Can everyone just accept this and move on? I don't like arguments.
For someone who worked for a national newspaper Brightonian, a lot of the points that you're making are very naive.
Of course there has to be some balance. Those who point blank dismiss absolutely everything that has been printed on this issue over the summer are just as wrong as those who gobble everything up and take it all at face value.
The truth is probably somewhere in between. It's quite obvious that when pretty much every major media outlet releases the same thing at the same time there has been some kind of briefing or leak from somewhere - such as the "angry and confused" thing (I'm not actually criticising Rooney for that because I don't think Moyes was very sensible with the way he made his point - although I am aware that the "Moyes wants Rooney as second choice to RvP" headline was pure spin). Some of things written have come from the Rooney camp. He pays people a lot of money to manage his public image, and they wouldn't be doing their job if they weren't acting 'on his behalf' in that area (inverted commas because they've actually made him look worse imo).
Whatever you choose to believe, I know what I saw, with my own eyes at the Liberty Stadium on Saturday. Rooney does not want to be here (regardless of what he comes out and says on it in the future) and he behaved in a way that suggests that he wanted to make sure that everyone was completely aware of just how much he doesn't want to be here - even the fans that were chanting his name on the day.
My concern is that his behaviour is unsettling to the morale and team spirit within the squad, but we have no way of knowing that and can only take the recent comments from Carrick suggesting that they're all sticking together - even though Rooney's own behaviour was the opposite of that - he made a deliberate point of isolating himself.
Of course there has to be some balance. Those who point blank dismiss absolutely everything that has been printed on this issue over the summer are just as wrong as those who gobble everything up and take it all at face value.
The truth is probably somewhere in between. It's quite obvious that when pretty much every major media outlet releases the same thing at the same time there has been some kind of briefing or leak from somewhere - such as the "angry and confused" thing (I'm not actually criticising Rooney for that because I don't think Moyes was very sensible with the way he made his point - although I am aware that the "Moyes wants Rooney as second choice to RvP" headline was pure spin). Some of things written have come from the Rooney camp. He pays people a lot of money to manage his public image, and they wouldn't be doing their job if they weren't acting 'on his behalf' in that area (inverted commas because they've actually made him look worse imo).
Whatever you choose to believe, I know what I saw, with my own eyes at the Liberty Stadium on Saturday. Rooney does not want to be here (regardless of what he comes out and says on it in the future) and he behaved in a way that suggests that he wanted to make sure that everyone was completely aware of just how much he doesn't want to be here - even the fans that were chanting his name on the day.
My concern is that his behaviour is unsettling to the morale and team spirit within the squad, but we have no way of knowing that and can only take the recent comments from Carrick suggesting that they're all sticking together - even though Rooney's own behaviour was the opposite of that - he made a deliberate point of isolating himself.
I completely agree, I don't see how this isn't obvious.
good post LR7. Rooney has allowed himself to be the puppet of Stetford. Some day he will realise what a big mistake he has made. But for now whatever the reason, Rooney does not want to be here. The only club that wants him looks like Chelsea...to whom we are not willing to sell to. I think the club would be willing to run out his contract tbh. Chelsea have not made a reasonable offer...I mean 50 million. so where is the need to sell him?
What exactly did you 'see with your own eyes' on Saturday?
So their "public images" are similar, not their looks. Your point is a really shitty one. What do you care about what image is portrayed? This might be the most irrelevant thing in the whole world. And has little bearing on how they look or behave.
Go back to Moyes' first press conference - there is literally nothing he could have gained from evading the question about whether or not Rooney wants to stay, especially as his intent was to kill the story. As I recall the exchange went like this:
Reporter: "Has he told you he wants to stay?"
Moyes: "What I'm sort of saying is Wayne Rooney is training fantastically well"
How could anyone watch that and still think there is nothing in it to suggest Rooney wants out? Was Moyes being deliberately vague in order to prolong the Rooney speculation that has annoyed him so much?
Reporter: "Has he told you he wants to stay?"
Moyes: "What I'm sort of saying is Wayne Rooney is training fantastically well"
How could anyone watch that and still think there is nothing in it to suggest Rooney wants out? Was Moyes being deliberately vague in order to prolong the Rooney speculation that has annoyed him so much?
Still as someone said, soon as he scores a goal vs City all will be forgiven. Thats football for you!
I don't understand your problem with they all looking same to me. Instead of picking each sentence or word separately try linking them to see if you get the point which I was making and if you are not capable to do it, give it a rest. I am not interested in explaining further.
You're making shit points. They're easy to "get", but shit. The women don't look similar.
It's like saying everyone who attends a funeral looks the same because.... they're attending a funeral!!!
Very good. Very constructive and proper analogy.
I've described it numerous times in this thread - he was generally half hearted and glum looking in the pre match warm up, had his name chanted several times by the fans when warming up on the touch line before getting ready to come on, eventually after the 3rd or 4th time gave the fans a little wave. Sulkily walked on his own back to the centre circle whilst the other players celebrated Robin's 2nd goal. Didn't celebrate Danny's second goal (he was clattered by Michu? in the build up though) but showed no desire to join in and didn't come over and applaud the fans with all the other lads after the game. He was quite successful in making his feelings known which was clearly his aim. It gave the impression that being in a United shirt was an awful punishment. I acknowledge that he was professional and did his job though and I believe if he stays here (very likely) he will continue to do so.
Jose's just said that we won't make an offer until after our game next monday.
That's nice of him...
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