And SAF, or am I missing something?
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And SAF, or am I missing something?
I gather we're now talking about his current commitment to the team, rather than the actual 'did he ask to leave at the start of the summer or didn't he' stuff.
If anything SAF is another voice of support here, since he predicted that with a summer to think about things Rooney would be committed to United and get his head down, which is what those other people are saying he has done.
Yeah I have taken my pick. Rooney's silence in the face of such media speculation speaks volumes to me.
Do you not see how 'tinfoil hat' this is? The Sun and the Mail report that Rooney is 'confused', and its' 'clearly' the case that the story comes from Stretford and is true. But Moyes himself says Rooney's training hard and looks committed, and it's some sort of smokescreen for his imminent departure to Chelsea?
Honestly, it doesn't just suggest an overactive imagination, it suggests a lack of respect for the club and the manager. You're willing to discard anything that Moyes, Rooney, the other players or a club legend says in preference for totally unsubstantiated rumour-mongering by the sports media, who we already know for a fact make stuff up on a regular basis, especially about potential transfers.
You're ridiculous sometimes. Rio, RvP and maybe Giggs apart, they all look like they're attending a funeral and yet you have to find just Rooney miserable.
His silence apart from saying that he never asked to leave, which you discredited simply because it came from the horse's mouth, and that must be less reliable than Chris Wheeler at the Daily Mail.
Besides, the manager has spoken to quash the rumours, and is obviously content with the situation. Rooney is getting on with his job, assisting two goals in half an hour in his last run out. Why should he speak out again just so a weird subset of the fans can have something else to call a lie or a smokescreen?
And you always feel the need to have to defend Rooney in the face of the never-ending criticism from Sparky. You two are birds of the same shit feather.
I think he could have done more by now in terms of media comms to demonstrate commitment to united. Yes.
I prefer that to Suarez-esque statements or slavery comparisons.
This thread is heading towards RAWK level of delusions.
And you always feel the need to have to defend Rooney in the face of the never-ending criticism from Sparky. You two are birds of the same shit feather.
To be fair, that was a spectacularly desperate effort from Sparky. You don't have to be wr8 to take issue with that one - and several other people have.
Rooney hasn't said anything. People employed by the club are obviously going to make things seem as positive as possible. Moyes himself wouldn't actually say that Rooney wanted to stay, saying he's working hard in training doesn't change that fact. Sir Alex is the one that said he asked to leave, saying he thought he'd be here this season doesn't change.
The only thing we actually know for certain is that Sir Alex, Scholes, and Neville said Rooney asked to leave and that Moyes and the club have said he isn't for sale. Just because we don't sell him to Chelsea doesn't all of a sudden change the fact that it's very likely that he did ask to leave.
The only thing we actually know for certain is that Sir Alex, Scholes, and Neville said Rooney asked to leave and that Moyes and the club have said he isn't for sale. Just because we don't sell him to Chelsea doesn't all of a sudden change the fact that it's very likely that he did ask to leave.
Brightonian - that statement from Rooney came way back at the beginning of the summer. Since then, there has been no stop to speculation about his future at the club and repeated public interested from Chelsea and Mourinho.
Now, if Rooney was totally commited too the club, wouldn't he want to quash all this rumours immediately by coming out and saying he's staying put? If Rooney were to come out and say that, everyone would instantly shut-up and we'd at least know that Rooney wants to stay. Not only that, but it's clearly causing disruptions, and its forcing Moyes to have to comment on it at every press conference, and teammates to constantly say that they want him to stay. (Moyes has said he's staying put - he has not said the player himself doesn't want to leave).
It's not like this is uncommon either, players do this all the time - especially big name players - Fabregas/Ronaldo are too examples of people that have, and Bale is an example of someone that hasn't (and we all know why that is now...)
It's not a big effort on his part, it's not even any effort. It's a simple statement... you must be able to see why the absence of such quotes saying he isn't interested in going anywhere makes it seem very apparent that he doesn't want the interest from Chelsea to go away.
Now, if Rooney was totally commited too the club, wouldn't he want to quash all this rumours immediately by coming out and saying he's staying put? If Rooney were to come out and say that, everyone would instantly shut-up and we'd at least know that Rooney wants to stay. Not only that, but it's clearly causing disruptions, and its forcing Moyes to have to comment on it at every press conference, and teammates to constantly say that they want him to stay. (Moyes has said he's staying put - he has not said the player himself doesn't want to leave).
It's not like this is uncommon either, players do this all the time - especially big name players - Fabregas/Ronaldo are too examples of people that have, and Bale is an example of someone that hasn't (and we all know why that is now...)
It's not a big effort on his part, it's not even any effort. It's a simple statement... you must be able to see why the absence of such quotes saying he isn't interested in going anywhere makes it seem very apparent that he doesn't want the interest from Chelsea to go away.
Interesting, so you think if he was to speak on the matter, that would be his stance? Try to force a move like Suarez or the slave line? No chance of him coming out and squashing it then?
Doesn't address my point. He's done it once, Moyes has done it a number of times. No-one amongst the loony fans believes them, and the media just ignore them. So why should they carry on trying?
The transfer window will do all their talking for them when it clangs emphatically shut and Rooney's still here. That's probably the only effective way to get the media to give up on their speculation.
Yeah I always defend Rooney when some of you decide that it's time to rewrite history and turn on him but this was a spectacularly desperate effort even by Sparky's usual standards so it merits a response.
And you always feel the need to have to defend Rooney in the face of the never-ending criticism from Sparky. You two are birds of the same shit feather.
As soon as those pictures were up I knew two things would happen, both before they did. Sparky would comment on it negatively and in a stupid fashion, and then wr8 would respond to that same post much later on when it's completely irrelevant.
What? It was a picture of Rooney walking into a restaurant you mentalist, not a re-writing of his career.
I don't think he would speak on the matter at all. He's had plenty of chances but he avoids the question completely. And if he did talk about the saga, I somehow don't think he'd talk about it like Suarez did or go down the slavery path. And no I don't think he'll come out and quash it just yet because, well, maybe he doesn't mind a move so yes I don't expect him to say anything before the window closes. And even if he were to say something, it's not like our fans or media would believe it anyway.
Can you guys try and have this debate, or at least given no-one is ever going to change their minds on it, resort to repeating the same views without calling people nutters, lunatics, loonies etc.
I can assure you, everyone here thinks the other person's argument is mental, it doesn't have to be mentioned in each post.
Me calling wr8 a mentalist doesn't count, I'm singling him out and feel that's very fair.
I can assure you, everyone here thinks the other person's argument is mental, it doesn't have to be mentioned in each post.
Me calling wr8 a mentalist doesn't count, I'm singling him out and feel that's very fair.
I was talking about my defense of Rooney in general and as far as this comment of Sparky's in concerned, it was incredibly stupid. Almost all the other players looked far more miserable than Rooney.
Pat Nevin was on the radio the other day saying that he heard that the Mata swap is on the cards. Pat has his ear very close to the ground at Chel$ki.
I'm fecking kidding wr8! It just made me laugh because I knew what would happen as soon as I saw that image.
Rooney didn't even actually deny telling Sir Alex he wanted to leave. He denied putting in a formal transfer request, which no one actually claimed he did (at least from within the club).
Just to clarify, I wasn't using it as an insult; it's genuinely the most appropriate word I can think of to describe believing unsubstantiated Daily Mail articles over the actual words of Moyes, Rooney, our others players, and Schmeichel's account of a conversation with Rooney.
But I can see it's probably irritating (and pointless) so I'll cut it out. They can be ABRs from now on. Or maybe 'ABtT's.
And denied changing his Twitter profile, which was a very important thing to speak about.
That's a good point as well, I for one was very relieved to hear that and all my doubts about him wanting to leave we're immediately quashed.
After such a convincing statement why would we possibly want him to come out and say he wants to stay at the club/doesn't want to leave.
Rooney denied putting in a transfer request (and demanded an apology) this was way back in May - a lot has happened since then. Not only that, but his statement didn't say at any point that he is happy to remain at United.
Whether you believe that Rooney did or didn't hand in the transfer request (I haven't a fecking clue myself) isn't the issue - the issue now is whether Rooney wants to leave or not. Moyes has said many times that he is staying, but he hasn't at any point said that Rooney definitely wants to stay... this combined with the increased public interest from Chelsea, and no statements of any kind coming from Rooney's camp, makes a lot of people come to the perfectly reasonable conclusion that Wayne Rooney either a) wants to leave or b)doesn't want the interest from Chelsea to go away.... this is a perfectly logical conclusion to come to, no mental theories, no tin foil hats, nothing.
I didn't mean you or anyone in particular - I'm probably the most guilty person of this in general - it's just reading over the last 2 pages is quite funny because every other post is calling someone a lunatic, mental etc, and on reflection it must look like basically everyone posting in this thread is a nutter tard.
No, not the Sun and the Mail, every single media outlet in the country. I'm not entirely sure it's worth arguing with somebody who can't distinguish between the BBC, Guardian, Telegraph and Times all running a story simultaneously, and some lone article in the Sun saying Manchester United are interested in buying player X. I'll tell you what though, you can ignore all those sources, how about you just take the word of Sir Alex Ferguson, who went out of his way following his final home league game to declare to the world that Wayne Rooney has asked to leave Old Trafford. Oh no, I forgot, that doesn't count because when David Moyes was asked repeatedly if Wayne Rooney has told him that he wants stay at Manchester United he responded with "Wayne Rooney is working hard in training", and you say I'm wearing a tin hat. Jesus
Rooney winner next Monday 
I'll only forgive him if he kisses the badge.Rooney winner next Monday
Just coz he's there post the window doesn't mean he is committed to the cause. We'll see.
Yes, there's a lot of gun jumping going on these days. Judgement on a lot of issues should probably be reserved until September 2nd.
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